Earth-Two Spectre (New Earth) vs Original Living Tribunal (Multiverse)

[Shivansh_Garg]

Living Tribunal vs Oblivion is highly debatable topic, IMO

@Andrew that statement about Oblivion having a chronal dimension is completely contradicted by how the character has been portrayed in comics

 

[Ovrhide]

Living Tribunal vs Oblivion is highly debatable topic, IMO

@Andrew that statement about Oblivion having a chronal dimension is completely contradicted by how the character has been portrayed in comics

This

 

[JackJoyce]

Wasn't Oblivion supposed to survive a total multiversal collapse unlike the Tribunal

 

[Nether_nine]

Oblivion is not the target of fighting many many many 1-As attacking the Multiverse all the freaking time though. He just sits in the nothingness literally doing nothing and so far Oblivion has next to no feats of handling other 1-As while the Living Tribunal does (although not so lucky). The probable reason why Oblivion's M-Bodies don't do away with Eternity or Infinity is because the Living Tribunal forcefully balances a 1-A to a bunch of High-1Bs somehow.

He will outlast Eternity and Infinity, but not necessarily the Living Tribunal. The Marvel Multiverse is but a conceptual fraction or a part of what the Living Tribunal is, that which LT transcends the conceptual embodiment of Marvel's Omniversal Space Time since he transcends Eternity and Infinity.

The problem with LT mostly is that it is more that he is a victim often times to 1-As messing with the Multiverse, not so much a collapse. There isn't really a supposed. Just the other week, Starlin downgraded TOAA to 1-A.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

Well, there are statements about Living Tribunal preceding everyone and everything, just like Oblivion

He has no selled the destruction of 6th totality (albeit that feat has been retconned with Al Ewing's latest Ultimates run, and I dunno how this Wiki handles retconned feats)

Arguments about M'Kraan Crystal being 1-A can also be made and Living Tribunal was>>>the Crystal

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

What @Nether said is also underrated and important information. Infinity and Eternity (parts of Living Tribunal) are the very fundamental concepts of space and time

 

[IvoryAS]

Bump

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Spectre FRA

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Spectre FRA

Spectre: 5

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Two more votes needed!

 

[Hykuu]

" The Spectre has no opposite as far as I'm aware. And yes, Spectre would be above Mother Night and Pralaya. "


>Azmondus

Tho Spectre is in a far higher scale of 1-A, the fact he merged with the Logoz already puts him above TLT, who was getting molly whooped by the beyonders. (even though it took three, the entire race doesn't compare to the Logoz.)

On another note,


" Just the other week, Starlin downgraded TOAA to 1-A. "

No, he did not.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

This 1-A TLT is nit-picked from the 1980s so it doesn't include being destroyed on all levels of reality which alone would debunk TLT being 1-A.

 

[Shivansh_Garg]

Elaborate

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

It's literally on the notes in his page. TLT existing and then being destroyed on all levels of reality which is High 1-B is contradictory to him being 1-A, being beyond existence in being but being killed within existence and existing as a High 1-B being. Of course that disproves him being 1-A which is why it's nitpicked from the 1980s.

 

[Hykuu]

"TLT existing and then being destroyed on all levels of reality which is High 1-B is contradictory to him being 1-A"

You can exist across and transcend all planes at the same time, its called encompassing something.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

If he encompasses it and trancends it at the same time then why did he die from being killed across all levels? If he transcends it he would exist beyond it which would mean the beyonders didn't truly kill him.

 

[Hykuu]

The beyonders didn't truly kill TLT lol

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

They made TLT go lights out though

 

[Hykuu]

Y does that matter

 

[ABoogieYesSir]

Well I was supporting your reply ''The beyonders didn't truly kill TLT lol''

 

[Hykuu]

Oh

 

[Sandman31]

" The Spectre has no opposite as far as I'm aware. And yes, Spectre would be above Mother Night and Pralaya. "


>Azmondus

Azmondus is Spectres oldest foe but hes not his opposite. If the Spectre has an opposite then it will be the Radiance

 

[Hykuu]

Azmondus literally represents the opposite of and defies the spectre's philosophy essentially; lol

Oh yeah i forgot the radiant existed

 

[JackJoyce]

Eclipso and The Radiant are made from the wrath and mercy of God (The Presence). So that probably makes them counterparts of The Spectre.

However they have no 1-A feat.

Eh did you guys not read what I said

 

[JohnCenaNation]

All we need to two more votes people, so can one of you just tell me, who would win?

 

[JohnCenaNation]

Bump.

 

[Jimboydejuan12]

Nah what ups Thread?

well guess vote Spectre FRA.

 

[IvoryAS]

Bump

 

[Unoriginal_Memes]

How's Spectre gonna bypass High-Godly?

 

[IvoryAS]

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