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What about the NPCs and enemies within dreams? You can create dreams within dreams
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Dream Stone Re-Upgrade CRT
- Thread starter Foxthefox1000
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- dream stone mario zeekeeper
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- 2,365
- 1,523
How many did you find?
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- 1,523
How many are usually in them?
- 6,069
- 1,866
Here’s my rough final tally:
Real world total: 2431
Real world total with cutscene enemies: 2552
With mad skillathon: 3757
With Bowser’s castle: 3985
With Bowser’s castle bombs: at least 4083
With Dream World: 9045
With Battle ring: 9802
With giant Battle ring: 10728
With Luiginoids: 18978
With Luiginary Works: 19178
With cutscene dreams: 19673
With antasmunchies: 19708
With Dreamy Bowser Castle: 20925
With Broque Madame: 26629
With Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 26631
With Finishing Bros+Star Driver stars: 26649
With Bros attack tutorial: at least 26713
With Dreamy Mario’s: 26813
Real world total: 2431
Real world total with cutscene enemies: 2552
With mad skillathon: 3757
With Bowser’s castle: 3985
With Bowser’s castle bombs: at least 4083
With Dream World: 9045
With Battle ring: 9802
With giant Battle ring: 10728
With Luiginoids: 18978
With Luiginary Works: 19178
With cutscene dreams: 19673
With antasmunchies: 19708
With Dreamy Bowser Castle: 20925
With Broque Madame: 26629
With Zeekeeper alt dimensions: 26631
With Finishing Bros+Star Driver stars: 26649
With Bros attack tutorial: at least 26713
With Dreamy Mario’s: 26813
- 2,365
- 1,523
What does everyone think of this? Can it be used?
Dust_Collector
They/Them- 7,745
- 8,747
Yeah provided he shows how he got the numbers and provides proof
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- 3,548
Agree with the upgrade.
- 2,365
- 1,523
Alright. What does everyone else think? Do they agree?
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I agree with his scan
- 6,069
- 1,866
I didn’t actually record myself doing the counting, it was something I did a year or so ago.
- 2,365
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Are you willing to do it again or should we use something else?
- 6,069
- 1,866
I don’t really have anything like a 3DS capture, sorry. You should probably use something else.
- 2,365
- 1,523
Eh, it's alright. I didn't want you to do such an arduous task anyway.
Anyone else have some ideas on what we could use?
ZespeonGalaxy
He/Him- 1,570
- 1,024
Bumping
- 2,365
- 1,523
Any other ideas on what we should use for the number of dreams?
- 1,627
- 761
brain ain't got nothin right now
- 2,365
- 1,523
Alright, how about this?
We already know that each dream is a universe, and while we don't know the exact number of dreams the Dream Stone contained, from what we've gathered, there's at the very least 1,000 of them. Not only that, we have quite a few members who think it would be a lower degree of 2-B, right?
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ZespeonGalaxy
He/Him- 1,570
- 1,024
How much til approved now?
- 2,365
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Isn't the minimum 3 staff votes, or is it more than that?
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I'd assume 3
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Could someone unlock the profiles then, please?
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shouldn't a blog be made to outline the size of the cosmology?
I know Mephistus got one, but that's like-
2-A
I know Mephistus got one, but that's like-
2-A
Dust_Collector
They/Them- 7,745
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I mean, we still gotta have others agree with baseline for now, I know there's aggrements for tier 2 but I'm not sure how many agreed with baseline.
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- Thread starter
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Baseline? Baseline what?
Also the 2-A one will be for another thread in the future (hopefully)
Also the 2-A one will be for another thread in the future (hopefully)
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Alright, so it seems Firestorm also agrees with Tier 2 here.
ZespeonGalaxy
He/Him- 1,570
- 1,024
- 13,225
- 21,036
We have DDM and Firestorm agreeing, so we still need 1 more staff member
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griffin agreed, that enough?
Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
She/Her- 9,828
- 12,453
Hold on now, nobody actually agreed with upgrading it back to 2-B (let alone what degree of 2-B it'd be). The accuracy of the calc still needs to be discussed, but as of right now there's no staff consensus on whether or not it'd be low 2-C, 2-C, or 2-B.
ZespeonGalaxy
He/Him- 1,570
- 1,024
Theres been agreements of a lower plane of 2-B
- 20,541
- 17,454
I'm still waiting on a showing of them effecting a 2-B amount of dreams.
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I just found this part where the Dream Stone absorbs the energy from people's dreams.
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Absorbing energy isn't a AP feat.
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But it's still affecting the dreams. Also, in the ending, the Zeekeeper uses the dust from the Dream Stone to create a "Dream Coin", which shatters and showers the entire island in coins.
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Lou_change
He/Him- 10,152
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I disagree the stone had to be powered by dream orbs which don’t seem to actually be dreams given Luigi’s dream isn’t absorbed
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How is it affecting them? Because it's only an AP feat if it's notable in some fashion.
Dust_Collector
They/Them- 7,745
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And what exactly does this prove? Like, seriously this doesn't justify anything resembling tier 2
StretchSebe
They/Them- 1,006
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Isn't the point that the stone's power comes from all the dreams, and such power is being harnessed by bowser in the end through absorbing it all?
It's far from the first time Bowser (ab)uses some McGuffin to grossly amp his power in the series, let alone by similar final bosses or antagonists broadly in the rpg genre.
It's far from the first time Bowser (ab)uses some McGuffin to grossly amp his power in the series, let alone by similar final bosses or antagonists broadly in the rpg genre.
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I'm asking if Bowser ever shows that he wields 2B levels of strength with thr stone. He's Low 2-C through other stuff, but I'm not seeing a clear example that he does anything on the 2B scale.
StretchSebe
They/Them- 1,006
- 741
Given the size of dreams, and the assumed amount of potential dreamers there would be on such an island; including the various inhabitants and their types, enemies (not including boss parts obv), visitors commonly there for vacation or tourism, I think assuming that there are at least 1001 within the stone is a fair estimate for an entire island.
As others were discussing, someone could probably go through the entire game and count every npc, instance of enemies, etc., but that seems unproductively pedantic, and I find it hard to believe such an island of interest wouldn't have had at bare minimum 1001 potential dreamers there, especially with the fact that the stone absorbs good dreams, and contains them over time.
For more specificity though, I think JT brought the Dream Coin up because it seems to 'shower the entire island in coins' from the highest spot possible when shattered (literally atop a volcano, the coins spew out like an eruption).
All the coins would likely each be a dream from the dream stone, and at the least it rains thousands of coins.
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