Again, you're not answering my question. Absorbing energy from dreams or being powered by dreams is not a 2-B showing. If that's all the stone can do then I've only seen it operate at a Low 2-C level for corrupting/changing a singular dream
This is such a massive leap in logic, like I'm gonna need to see the most convincing evidence to believe each coin he made is actually an entire dream universe.
I don't think it is. I provided links, and JT provided video of it as well. The information is already on the table, but I can lay it out here.
Toward the very beginning of the thread, JT also brought up these about dreams in Mario broadly, and the dream world in Mario and Luigi Dream Team respectively:
World is an incredibly common term used to refer to an entire universe across fiction.
You're once again not understanding my question. I'm not doubting that their universes, but nothing provided so far has shown that they can affect 20 million universes at once.
The requirement for 2-B is 1001 minimum, and there does seem to at least be thousands of coins corresponding to the dreams.
Besides that highball which most seemed dubious about, this estimation by JJSliderman is the other highest finite number I found, and the one I think was the most accepted by those agreeing in the thread given there seemed to be an actual process used to find a real number.
I think you're completely missing the point of his question.
Alright.
I'm asking you or anyone to provide an example that fits the above.
It is shown in the video that Bowser is enhanced with the dreams. At least thousands of them.
Yeah I also interpreted it as they were turned into physical coins (coins have gotten weird focus lately in Mario), but Zeekeeper does say you can still use them for wishes, which even if through purchase could imply they still function as the stone would with the power of the dreams, just scattered across the coins.
No, you have to prove that Bowser or any stone user can use an infinite magnitude of power. Just being powered by something isn't a feat.
He's creating and summoning specific constructs and types of minions he wouldn't be able to without the power from the stone...
How is creating weapons and minions an AP feat?
I feel like you're intentionally not getting me at this point.
All I've seen is that the stones absorb power from dreams and when destroyed the various dreams are not effected and are still around. The stones my be some degree of 2-B but so far you haven't shown a 2-B AP feat.
It's how our infinite energy source stuff is worded. Being powered by something doesn't mean you can use its full strength without showing it first.
Well I find that ridiculous, but I digress. Either way, Dreamy Bowser isn’t merely powered by it. He absorbed the whole thing
again. Nobody is saying dream stone is infinite. Bowser always gives everything he got against mario or luigi. Im not sure why he wouldn't in here.
I don't see the difference. He never the ability to effect the entire cosmology like the Chaos Heart
A character having a reason to hold back or not has no baring on the rating. They have to demonstrate that they can use that degree of power.
Dude essentially absorbed the entire dream cosmology by absorbing the Dream Stone though, what?
I don't see it if he never demonstrates using that power.
I’m sorry, but I find this unreasonable. I mean for starters, Dreamy Bowser pretty much spontaneously appears and then loses to Mario and Luigi, so his screentime is limited. Not only that, but this requirement is unnecessary when his body contains the Dream Stone within it, which in itself contains a 2-B structure.
This could potentially be a solid argument.
While it seems like Luigi's dream isn't being absorbed, there's also not any direct implication throughout the game that it wasn't absorbed. Now, I have a theory for this... Assuming the dream was absorbed, when Mario and Luigi went through the Dream Portal to try and get away from the Dreambeats, the portal soon closed since Dreambert stated the music has made Luigi so deep in his sleep that it cannot remain stable. And the only way the Bros could reopen the portal was by defeating the dreamy version of Mount Pajamaja in combat. So, here's what I think... it's likely that Luigi's dream was inside the Dream Stone, but after defeating Mount Pajamaja, the Mario Bros were able to use the portal to escape from the stone that held said dream.
Okay, remember the orbs in Mario Party 5? The Future Dream appeared in the shape of one at some point in the game, and like DDM said, the dreams you enter in Mario Party 5 are mirror dimensions of equal size; the ending credits clearly just shows you Future Dream multiple times and/or has multiple Future Dreams if we see it more than once. Seeing as how dreams can take the shape of an orb in that scan and context, and we don't seem to have anything other way besides this to count the people's dreams the Dream Stone actually absorbed, this could possibly mean that the dream orbs the Dream Stone absorbed were actually the people's dreams.
The point of this thread isn't to prove anything about infinite energy; the OP never even said anything about infinite energy. We're not trying to prove that the Dream Stone contains infinite energy, we're trying to find a method to count the amount of dreams the Dream Stone absorbed for it to warrant a 2-B rating. If we were trying to prove the Dream Stone had infinite energy, then this thread would be focused on getting it to 2-A, not 2-B. It's not like the Dream Stone absorbed an infinite amount of dreams.
Still, we're not trying to prove anything about infinite energy or infinite anything; we're trying to find a reliable method of counting all the dreams to get the Dream Stone back to 2-B.
