Dragonball specific powers>hax symposium attempt 2

[ArmBill]

We're not trying to let Dragonball characters resist every hax with power. Just these specific ones.

It's seems recently that getting a resistance using power is more likely on this site. Since profiles such as the Shin Megami Tensei have Resistance for the same reasons. As well as a staff thread getting this stated on the resistance page. "Simply being stronger than a character with resistance does not mean the stronger character also has equal or higher resistance, unless the verse makes it explicitly clear that said resistance is based on the level of power".

1. Resistance to Reality Warping

Its common knowledge that shenron can't affect people who are stronger than his creator.
https://r.mangaowls.com/reader/178/404943/0?tr=nYQxGeYV+GwRZifOND+CRg==&s=aHR0cHM6Ly9tYW5nYW93bC5uZXQ=

2. Resistance to Transmutation

Vegito was stated to keep his strength because of power. It's also shown that he kept his ki manipulation, since he can fly.


3. Resistance to EE/Soul destruction
Vegeta said he'll give an attack too powerful to destroy, which he did. There's more proof but that should be enough.


4. Resistance to Time Stop

Goku with just a stat increase was able to negate the time skip. Which one of the effects of the time skip is to freeze people in place. Furthermore, Jiren surpassed time with raw power and negated Hit's time abilities.

5. Beerus page fix

On Beerus' page it's possibly for Toonforce because it could've been done with power. However we don't know that first off. Secondly if the power>hax thing gets accepted. Then that shouldn't matter. So just give him a full resistance.

6. Resistance to Absorption

Goku was able to overpower Bergamo's absorption with just his attacks. Furthermore Vegito created a barrier to not be affected by Buu's absorption. This is already stated in the ki section on Goku's page, it should just be copied onto others.

7. Resistance to Petrification

Trunks was able to counter it with just ki alone. So akin to Vegito's barrier countering absorption. Other should be able to block Petrification with their ki.

8. Resistance to Gravity/Telekinesis

Both of these are logically Resisted via power in general. Characters training with gravity far higher times stronger than Earth's one, adapting to it through sheer power.

 

[Spinoirr]

Here we go again

 

[KingTempest]

Whoever closed the last one without saying anything is out of pocket.

Next time just ask for it to be reopened

 

[ArmBill]

Next time just ask for it to be reopened

We're you the one who closed it?

 

[God900]

@ArmBill you forgot Gravity and Petrification again Bro.

 

[ArmBill]

@ArmBill you forgot Gravity and Petrification again Bro.

I'll add it now, I keep getting distracted.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

You should've gone to the wiki management and asked for the CRT to be reopened (Like @KingTempest said above). Posting another CRT can cause potentially more issues.

Don't get me wrong closing a CRT with zero explanation or warning is poor practice and can lead to unnecessary drama but this kind of action isn't constructive either.

 

[KingTempest]

We're you the one who closed it?

Nope, but I have the ability to reopen it.

You want me to close/delete (choose) this one and reopen the other one?

 

[ArmBill]

Nope, but I have the ability to reopen it.

You want me to close/delete (choose) this one and reopen the other one?

I suppose just delete the last one

 

[ArmBill]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/the-dragonball-power-hax-symposium.127063/#post-4276128

https://vsbattles.com/threads/what-are-all-the-abilities-dragonball-characters-can-resist-with-power.127059/#post-4276155

Delete these please

 

[Eminiteable]

Agreed again

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

I agree with this, pretty straightforward

 

[God900]

Yeah, I agree with this again.

 

[God900]

I agree with this, pretty straightforward

Finally, my goat boi Moro will have some Hax resistances.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Hax is literally the only thing keeping Dragon Ball beatable on literally every battleboarding site in existence on the Wiki.

This will never get through lmao


Agreed anyway.

 

[God900]

Hax is literally the only thing keeping Dragon Ball beatable on the Wiki.

This will never get through lmao


Agreed anyway.

Nah, CM, Fate manipulation, Smurfery, curse manip, HD Hax, corruption, Mindhax, etc.....so sadly DB still Hax beateable, lol

 

[ArmBill]

Hax is literally the only thing keeping Dragon Ball beatable on literally every battleboarding site in existence on the Wiki.

This will never get through lmao


Agreed anyway.

Almost nothing I make ever goes through .

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

The context on the petrification needs to be a little more detailed since resisting getting stoned via spit (using ki aura) isn't the same as let say breaking free from being already stoned via the typical Medusa/Cockatrice/Basilisk character.

I agree with the shown examples.

Also also petrification is just a subset of transmutation so go figure.

Also lets not be too passive aggressive and be optimistic about this CRT.

 

[Orange]

Hmm, I completely agree with this.

 

[ArmBill]

@axiom I would say it's still a resistance. Since they engulf themselves with ki. As well as you said, it's propagated by the Transmutation resistance. But, if the resistance to transmutation is listed and not Petrification it's not that big of a deal.

 

[God900]

I think is not necessary to be stronger than the character Who resist that Hax in order to resist, what I mean, as this is a verse Hax setting, Majin Buu (for example) should also resist the EE or time stop from a weaker being.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

I think is not necessary to be stronger than the character Who resist that Hax in order to resist, what I mean, as this is a verse Hax setting, Majin Buu (for example) should also resist the EE or time stop from a weaker being.

Ginyu being a "hopping" example of why that isn't true (among others).

 

[LeSupremeKing1]

Looks fine

 

[ArmBill]

I think is not necessary to be stronger than the character Who resist that Hax in order to resist, what I mean, as this is a verse Hax setting, Majin Buu (for example) should also resist the EE or time stop from a weaker being.

I agree, I just wrote where and who resisted as a low ball for those abilities. But I'll reword it.

 

[God900]

What I mean is, you shouldn't just limit the Hax to only those stronger than the character shown to resist It.

As is a verse settings It should be something more like: "probably resist these Hax from weaker beings".

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

What I mean is, you shouldn't just limit the Hax to only those stronger than the character shown to resist It.

As is a verse settings It should be something more like: "probably resist these Hax from weaker beings".

Unless it's shown otherwise (i.e Hax in DB that ignores PLs such as Ginyu's body swap, Guldo's paralysis, Moro's life/energy drain, etc).

 

[Thelastmlg]

reality warping: this looks more like a weakeness to me, as the requirement is just being stronger than kami and thus would give everyone resistance to it, also shenron can affect those stronger to a degree, he can still revive, grant pówers, de-age, teleport, etc, some even if they aren't the ones doing the wishes. i'd add a possibly there as we don't know what he can and can't do to them, or what is shown to not work on them like killing the saiyans or, whatever is turning cyborgues into humans.

transmutation: agreed, i think a guide even said it was because his ki being superior.

EE: agreed.

time stop: agreed.

toon force: agreed.

absorption: i don't remember bergamo but vegito's used a barrier, it should tell that he doesn't have a reisstance himself or else he would've just used his own durability, as he is far above buuhan, and he was partially absorbed, the barrier only saved him from the incapacitation.

petrification: if it was done by a barrier and before the petrification happened^

gravity/telekinesis: both are resisted by LS, i don't remember resistance to telekinesis being a thing here, also guldo's worked on gohan and krillin at once, they also only resist the weight of gravity, not changes to it like it being upside down or something

 

[God900]

Unless it's shown otherwise (i.e Hax in DB that ignores PLs such as Ginyu's body swap, Guldo's paralysis, Moro's life/energy drain, etc).

Yeah I mean, there is a shitload of Hax in DB that ignores your battle power.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Since profiles such as the Shin Megami Tensei have Resistance for the same reasons.

No we don’t.

 

[God900]

No we don’t.

Either way, It was already agreed that Power>Hax unless there is some context, do this still works regardless.

 

[ArmBill]

No we don’t.

Demi-Fiend

The Demi-Fiend (人修羅, "Hitoshura") is the protagonist of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne. Through the tradition of the series, he is a silent protagonist, where his personality is based upon players' actions and decisions. At the beginning of the game, the Demi-Fiend is a blank slate, being...

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It says he has resistances cause of brute force

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Holy crap, we’re finally gonna give zeno his ee resistance then? It’s about damn time

 

[DaReaperMan]

Demi-Fiend

The Demi-Fiend (人修羅, "Hitoshura") is the protagonist of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne. Through the tradition of the series, he is a silent protagonist, where his personality is based upon players' actions and decisions. At the beginning of the game, the Demi-Fiend is a blank slate, being...

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It says he has resistances cause of brute force

Then it should be R E M O V E D.

 

[ArmBill]

@Thelastmlg Everyone who he affects, which is stronger has the desire to be affected. Like goku just denied being temported. While when broly was about to die he got teleported.

I dont mind if Telekinesis/gravity is listed or not cause it's kind of obvious it can resisted with higher power. But I put them there since I saw like resistance to Gravity and what not.

 

[Milly_Rocking_Bandit]

Demi-Fiend

The Demi-Fiend (人修羅, "Hitoshura") is the protagonist of Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne. Through the tradition of the series, he is a silent protagonist, where his personality is based upon players' actions and decisions. At the beginning of the game, the Demi-Fiend is a blank slate, being...

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It says he has resistances cause of brute force

It’s outdated, simple. We don’t abide by that anymore.

 

[ArmBill]

Then it should be R E M O V E D.

NO

It’s outdated, simple. We don’t abide by that anymore.

Why not

 

[ZillertheBucko]

As much as I wish I could agree with this thread, after thinking about it for a few seconds….

It’s just that, if the hax can be beaten via superior strength, then wouldn’t that just mean the hax is limited, not that they would have resistance to it?

 

[sanicspood]

I’m precoging this rn and this isn’t gonna get accepted

 

[Urshani]

As much as I wish I could agree with this thread, after thinking about it for a few seconds….

It’s just that, if the hax can be beaten via superior strength, then wouldn’t that just mean the hax is limited, not that they would have resistance to it?

it's the same situation as smt, and people don't say the hax there is limited

 

[ArmBill]

As much as I wish I could agree with this thread, after thinking about it for a few seconds….

It’s just that, if the hax can be beaten via superior strength, then wouldn’t that just mean the hax is limited, not that they would have resistance to it?

No, because the power is the cause of the Negation. The abilities still have the same effect as the haxs. Just like how we give them abilites such as creating portal with power, we should give them resistances.