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Dragonball cosmology revision: Part 2

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If you guys have statements from any media that you want me to add to the blog, comment or message me with the specific source, chapter, episode, etc.
Starting off, in the databook it is described that Zeno'oh's palace is outside 12 Universes



databook in japa



12 宇宙とは異なる空間に浮かぶ惑星
Planets floating in different spaces from that of the 12 universes

As I said before, calling "different space" (異なる空間), does sound more how they call what is generically here a different dimension, especially considering that they put stuff like the World of Void.

Also, looking into the complete scan


They put the nameless planet in the "neutral space between universes" in the same "space different from that of the 12 universes" as the World of Void and Zen'O palace. So yes, here it's completely in the meaning of a different dimensional space and can be used as proof that the neutral space between universes is like a "neutral dimension between universes", unless the World of Void is now seen just as another part of the same universal space that all 12 universes share and you can get there with a spaceship.
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@Executor_N0

As I find a scan I'll put it in my comment

In all 12 Universes there are time rings, to go to the past, present, and future of their Universes, as presented in the databook



Time rings have also been proven to exist in Universe 7 (chapter 16 to 19)



Time travel causes other parallel worlds with totally different history, different history refers to different time flow by trunks theory



As presented here in the databook where it says that Universe 6 and 7 are twins, but with different histories, with a totally different flow of time

https://imgur.com/a/9IK2UCf

In episode 60 it is mentioned by trunks that different history suggests different time flow

https://imgur.com/a/q0KHCxJ



Speaking of characters that transcend space-time, starting with Beerus, God of Destruction. Now, the contexts are interesting. each God of Destruction rules their respective universe, however it is stated that Beerus transcends space-time, what does this mean in contexts where he has transcended the space-time of his own universe or Universe 7, this also scales to Angel like Whis and above. Also, since they transcend space-time, they can go to different universes.


@Vietthai

According to Vietthai there is a dimension below the planet of beerus episode 18 to 19 of the anime

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5466312

Chapter 6 of the manga is said to exist a neutral dimension that separates the Universes

https://imgur.com/a/ntouzfT

The crossing to another universe is impossible, it is only possible by cubes built by angels that are able to go to other dimensions ( quotes presented from manga chapter 7 to 13 / anime episodes showing 31 to 41 )

https://imgur.com/a/HiXpSoM
https://imgur.com/a/qVNaLJv
https://imgur.com/a/lbPn7OS
https://imgur.com/a/jGcd3yb
https://imgur.com/a/svISMSk

You can find more about Brolly's dimension in my comment, where she's described as having dimensional lights and citing about being one in the anime comics.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5455676


Afterlife is inaccessible to humans

https://imgur.com/a/u6QG0mG

The realms of the Kaioshins are outside the Universes said by Akira toriyama

https://imgur.com/a/Wn0wAH3

Map shown where the world of the Kaioshins is and he is outside, in that ball spinning outside the Universe

https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc

Taken from interviews with Akira toriyama

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/db-full-color-majin-buu-arc-05/

There are dimensional barriers that separate planes from existing in the same space-time.

https://imgur.com/a/CY9emgh

Dimensional barriers separating the living world as afterlife are still used.

https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc

Continuing... Right here, the work brings the same concept used in the databook and in other guides, where no mortal can go to the afterlife and the world of the Kaioshins

https://imgur.com/a/pT2btxj

I repeat, no mortal can go to other planes, except Gods with teleportation and angels with dimensional travel.

https://imgur.com/a/3eliPu0

There are more than three pieces of evidence, both in the manga, anime, and Akira toriyama's, the world of the afterlife is separate, to which no mortal is able to access.

as you can see, it's still the same premise, nothing has changed except the 12 Universes, they contain more afterlife, as you can see the world of Kaioshins and the afterlife is separate, there is a barrier that separates them , which is only accessible via teleportation and dimensional travel

https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc

It is noted that there are barriers with strange names separating the afterlife from the world of the living, as in the description of the databook and guide


and once again it is confirmed that another world cannot be accessed

https://imgur.com/a/yu5t9Vc

there is also mention of another dimension, and that already has confirmed sizes in the manga

https://imgur.com/Gx6pl11
https://imgur.com/a/W3A9eEp

The neutral dimension that separates the Universes is the size of a Universe to fit so many Galaxies presented ( anime episode 41 )

https://imgur.com/a/ogFDQH3
 
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Starting off, in the databook it is described that Zeno'oh's palace is outside 12 Universes



databook in japa



12 宇宙とは異なる空間に浮かぶ惑星
Planets floating in different spaces from that of the 12 universes

As I said before, calling "different space" (異なる空間), does sound more how they call what is generically here a different dimension, especially considering that they put stuff like the World of Void.

Also, looking into the complete scan


They put the nameless planet in the "neutral space between universes" in the same "space different from that of the 12 universes" as the World of Void and Zen'O palace. So yes, here it's completely in the meaning of a different dimensional space and can be used as proof that the neutral space between universes is like a "neutral dimension between universes", unless the World of Void is now seen just as another part of the same universal space that all 12 universes share and you can get there with a spaceship.
Like Like

@Executor_N0

As I find a scan I'll put it in my comment

In all 12 Universes there are time rings, to go to the past, present, and future of their Universes, as presented in the databook



Time rings have also been proven to exist in Universe 7 (chapter 16 to 19)



Time travel causes other parallel worlds with totally different history, different history refers to different time flow by trunks theory



As presented here in the databook where it says that Universe 6 and 7 are twins, but with different histories, with a totally different flow of time

https://imgur.com/a/9IK2UCf

In episode 60 it is mentioned by trunks that different history suggests different time flow

https://imgur.com/a/q0KHCxJ



Speaking of characters that transcend space-time, starting with Beerus, God of Destruction. Now, the contexts are interesting. each God of Destruction rules their respective universe, however it is stated that Beerus transcends space-time, what does this mean in contexts where he has transcended the space-time of his own universe or Universe 7, this also scales to Angel like Whis and above. Also, since they transcend space-time, they can go to different universes.


@Vietthai

According to Vietthai there is a dimension below the planet of beerus episode 18 to 19 of the anime

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5466312

Chapter 6 of the manga is said to exist a neutral dimension that separates the Universes

https://imgur.com/a/ntouzfT

The crossing to another universe is impossible, it is only possible by cubes built by angels that are able to go to other dimensions ( quotes presented from manga chapter 7 to 13 / anime episodes showing 31 to 41 )

https://imgur.com/a/HiXpSoM
https://imgur.com/a/qVNaLJv
https://imgur.com/a/lbPn7OS
https://imgur.com/a/jGcd3yb
https://imgur.com/a/svISMSk

You can find more about Brolly's dimension in my comment, where she's described as having dimensional lights and citing about being one in the anime comics.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5455676


Afterlife is inaccessible to humans

https://imgur.com/a/u6QG0mG

The realms of the Kaioshins are outside the Universes said by Akira toriyama

https://imgur.com/a/Wn0wAH3

Map shown where the world of the Kaioshins is and he is outside, in that ball spinning outside the Universe

https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc

Taken from interviews with Akira toriyama

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/db-full-color-majin-buu-arc-05/

There are dimensional barriers that separate planes from existing in the same space-time.

https://imgur.com/a/CY9emgh

Dimensional barriers separating the living world as afterlife are still used.

https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc

Continuing... Right here, the work brings the same concept used in the databook and in other guides, where no mortal can go to the afterlife and the world of the Kaioshins

https://imgur.com/a/pT2btxj

I repeat, no mortal can go to other planes, except Gods with teleportation and angels with dimensional travel.

https://imgur.com/a/3eliPu0

There are more than three pieces of evidence, both in the manga, anime, and Akira toriyama's, the world of the afterlife is separate, to which no mortal is able to access.

as you can see, it's still the same premise, nothing has changed except the 12 Universes, they contain more afterlife, as you can see the world of Kaioshins and the afterlife is separate, there is a barrier that separates them , which is only accessible via teleportation and dimensional travel

https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc

It is noted that there are barriers with strange names separating the afterlife from the world of the living, as in the description of the databook and guide


and once again it is confirmed that another world cannot be accessed

https://imgur.com/a/yu5t9Vc

there is also mention of another dimension, and that already has confirmed sizes in the manga

https://imgur.com/Gx6pl11
https://imgur.com/a/W3A9eEp

Only put the scans that are related to canon manga and anime or guide books talking in general. The statements for games and other things will not be taken and will likely create confusion.
 
Actually in DBS manga there is a statement that Namek came from different realm

I remember that mention well, maybe that's where the real body of Super Shenron,I remember that in the BR translation it is mentioned that Super Sheron has an avatar
It won't because it doesn't seem like he is talking about time flow but that he has spent harsh time in there.
Makes a lot of sense
 
I remember that mention well, maybe that's where the real body of Super Shenron,I remember that in the BR translation it is mentioned that Super Sheron has an avatar
No, Zalama is the one who created Super Shenron and Super Dragon Ball, Namek only trying to replicate the technique, make smaller dragon balls such as Earth's Shenron and Porunga. Super Shenron is suppose to have an avatar which is the big body that cover many galaxies the first time he appear, the real one seem to be the smaller Super Shenron in the core of the avatar where Whis chant God language to wish, however the second time he appear in ToP, Grand Priest didn't need to meet the "core" so don't really know

also there is many scans about DB cosmology in the Q&A thread that someone posted link before (along with an intense debate), @DarkDragonMedeus i presumed
 
No, Zalama is the one who created Super Shenron and Super Dragon Ball, Namek only trying to replicate the technique, make smaller dragon balls such as Earth's Shenron and Porunga. Super Shenron is suppose to have an avatar which is the big body that cover many galaxies the first time he appear, the real one seem to be the smaller Super Shenron in the core of the avatar where Whis chant God language to wish, however the second time he appear in ToP, Grand Priest didn't need to meet the "core" so don't really know

also there is many scans about DB cosmology in the Q&A thread that someone posted link before (along with an intense debate), @DarkDragonMedeus i presumed
I'll see about it and get some
 
Is the infinite universe has been supported in the show/manga? I remember there is countless galaxies statement 🤔
 
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If you don't mind me c

Dragon Ball Daizenshuu 4: World Guide — World

"You must be joking! A single galaxy is inexplicably huge! Do you even know how many galaxies there are in the universe?"
(Dragon Ball Super, chapter 6 - "Tournament Preparation")
Strange
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I looked it up and it mentions countless galaxies
 
A direct translation of "バカ か ! 銀河 だけ で も バカ 広い のに 宇宙 に は そんな 銀河 が とんでも ない 数 ある ん だ ぞ !" would be, roughly, "Are you nuts?! The galaxy alone is so big, and there are so many galaxies in the universe!".
Actually in DBS manga there is a statement that Namek came from different realm

Your translation is more accurate, can you translate for us? Here in Brazil, the Brazilian dubbing quotes Infinite Galaxies in the Universe in the anime, but in the manga it looks a little different.

Described Infinite Galaxies


universe is big enough to have an infinite number of galaxies
 
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For simplicity, just give the original Japanese statements.
That would be better
I can't read or speak Japanese or anything like that. I just run the text through DeepL (which, in my opinion, delivers the most coherent and consistent translations) and RomajiDesu (which runs through the parts of the sentence and picks apart the kanji and their meaning).
can you send the original Japanese statements
 
I can't read or speak Japanese or anything like that. I just run the text through DeepL (which, in my opinion, delivers the most coherent and consistent translations) and RomajiDesu (which runs through the parts of the sentence and picks apart the kanji and their meaning).
I see, from the anime can you fix it for us?
 
I don't think so. It's stated that the universe has an edge and an end, which wouldn't usually happen if it was infinite
I think that was already discussed in the last thread, it was something along the lines of "Even if there are a infinite number of decimal points between 1 and 2, it still has an edge and an end.", not quite sure how that makes sense, but yes, that was the counter argument.
 
I think that was already discussed in the last thread, it was something along the lines of "Even if there are a infinite number of decimal points between 1 and 2, it still has an edge and an end.", not quite sure how that makes sense, but yes, that was the counter argument.
Not, there are uncountable infinite points between 1 and 2 but no one mentions them as we cannot. We just approaches to 2 from 1 directly, it's not finite taking into account of each decimal but we don't as 0.0000000000000000000000............9 is too small to take into account. Natural numbers itself just stands for order like number of fruits etc, so decimal has quite no place here to mention.
 
I think that was already discussed in the last thread, it was something along the lines of "Even if there are a infinite number of decimal points between 1 and 2, it still has an edge and an end.", not quite sure how that makes sense, but yes, that was the counter argument.
Oh, Kind of like how there are an infinite number of points between 0 and 1 or some other number like that
 
I'd like to point out that the Wiki refuses to accept information from the guidebooks unless said information is vindicated by the source material. For example, Power Levels presented in guidebooks are unusable because said Power Levels are absent from dialogue; the Super Exciting Guide's multipliers of Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 are rejected because they are contradicted by on-screen depictions of the forms, the El Manga Legendario's Grade Three multiplier was refused because this information is never brought up by users of the form, and the Daizenshuu 7's logic that "In order to cancel out an opponent's attacks, the user must be twice as powerful" was rejected because this information is never supported by in-universe statements; and descriptions of characters's power (e.g., Daizenshuu 4 stating 23rd Budokai Goku can destroy the Moon) have only been accepted after previous feats from the original story (i.e., Jackie Chan destroying the Moon) were brought into consideration.
 
Your translation is more accurate, can you translate for us? Here in Brazil, the Brazilian dubbing quotes Infinite Galaxies in the Universe in the anime, but in the manga it looks a little different.

Described Infinite Galaxies


universe is big enough to have an infinite number of galaxies

dude, you cannot use brazilian translations, translate the original japanese sentences
 
The previous topic was rejected and refuted, now we are making a blog, sit in a chair and wait for the blog
not really, this thread was agreed to be created so that new staff can come and give opnions without needing to read more than 10 pages, if any staff comes and agrees with the op, then were would be back to square one
 
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