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Like what @Ottavio_Merluzzo said, the North, South Galaxy, etc....isn't literal Galaxy, but it is a just title used by Kai to govern four areas of the universe. But well i'm not going to involve myself in that topic again
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Dragonball cosmology revision: Part 2
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It's fine ig. If anyone will have any problem with the blog they can speak for that but it's mostly upto staff at the end of the day.
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If you guys have statements from any media that you want me to add to the blog, comment or message me with the specific source, chapter, episode, etc.
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Starting off, in the databook it is described that Zeno'oh's palace is outside 12 Universes
databook in japa
12 宇宙とは異なる空間に浮かぶ惑星
Planets floating in different spaces from that of the 12 universes
As I said before, calling "different space" (異なる空間), does sound more how they call what is generically here a different dimension, especially considering that they put stuff like the World of Void.
Also, looking into the complete scan
They put the nameless planet in the "neutral space between universes" in the same "space different from that of the 12 universes" as the World of Void and Zen'O palace. So yes, here it's completely in the meaning of a different dimensional space and can be used as proof that the neutral space between universes is like a "neutral dimension between universes", unless the World of Void is now seen just as another part of the same universal space that all 12 universes share and you can get there with a spaceship.
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As I find a scan I'll put it in my comment
In all 12 Universes there are time rings, to go to the past, present, and future of their Universes, as presented in the databook
Time rings have also been proven to exist in Universe 7 (chapter 16 to 19)
Time travel causes other parallel worlds with totally different history, different history refers to different time flow by trunks theory
As presented here in the databook where it says that Universe 6 and 7 are twins, but with different histories, with a totally different flow of time
https://imgur.com/a/9IK2UCf
In episode 60 it is mentioned by trunks that different history suggests different time flow
https://imgur.com/a/q0KHCxJ
Speaking of characters that transcend space-time, starting with Beerus, God of Destruction. Now, the contexts are interesting. each God of Destruction rules their respective universe, however it is stated that Beerus transcends space-time, what does this mean in contexts where he has transcended the space-time of his own universe or Universe 7, this also scales to Angel like Whis and above. Also, since they transcend space-time, they can go to different universes.
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According to Vietthai there is a dimension below the planet of beerus episode 18 to 19 of the anime
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5466312
Chapter 6 of the manga is said to exist a neutral dimension that separates the Universes
https://imgur.com/a/ntouzfT
The crossing to another universe is impossible, it is only possible by cubes built by angels that are able to go to other dimensions ( quotes presented from manga chapter 7 to 13 / anime episodes showing 31 to 41 )
https://imgur.com/a/HiXpSoM
https://imgur.com/a/qVNaLJv
https://imgur.com/a/lbPn7OS
https://imgur.com/a/jGcd3yb
https://imgur.com/a/svISMSk
You can find more about Brolly's dimension in my comment, where she's described as having dimensional lights and citing about being one in the anime comics.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/dragon-ball-cosmology-revision.148648/post-5455676
Afterlife is inaccessible to humans
https://imgur.com/a/u6QG0mG
The realms of the Kaioshins are outside the Universes said by Akira toriyama
https://imgur.com/a/Wn0wAH3
Map shown where the world of the Kaioshins is and he is outside, in that ball spinning outside the Universe
https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc
Taken from interviews with Akira toriyama
https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/db-full-color-majin-buu-arc-05/
There are dimensional barriers that separate planes from existing in the same space-time.
https://imgur.com/a/CY9emgh
Dimensional barriers separating the living world as afterlife are still used.
https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc
Continuing... Right here, the work brings the same concept used in the databook and in other guides, where no mortal can go to the afterlife and the world of the Kaioshins
https://imgur.com/a/pT2btxj
I repeat, no mortal can go to other planes, except Gods with teleportation and angels with dimensional travel.
https://imgur.com/a/3eliPu0
There are more than three pieces of evidence, both in the manga, anime, and Akira toriyama's, the world of the afterlife is separate, to which no mortal is able to access.
as you can see, it's still the same premise, nothing has changed except the 12 Universes, they contain more afterlife, as you can see the world of Kaioshins and the afterlife is separate, there is a barrier that separates them , which is only accessible via teleportation and dimensional travel
https://imgur.com/a/e8dJvxc
It is noted that there are barriers with strange names separating the afterlife from the world of the living, as in the description of the databook and guide
and once again it is confirmed that another world cannot be accessed
https://imgur.com/a/yu5t9Vc
there is also mention of another dimension, and that already has confirmed sizes in the manga
https://imgur.com/Gx6pl11
https://imgur.com/a/W3A9eEp
The neutral dimension that separates the Universes is the size of a Universe to fit so many Galaxies presented ( anime episode 41 )
https://imgur.com/a/ogFDQH3
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Only put the scans that are related to canon manga and anime or guide books talking in general. The statements for games and other things will not be taken and will likely create confusion.
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there are no game statements, they are all anime, guides, and an interview with Akira toriyama talking about macrocosm
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Actually in DBS manga there is a statement that Namek came from different realm
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It won't because it doesn't seem like he is talking about time flow but that he has spent harsh time in there.
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I remember that mention well, maybe that's where the real body of Super Shenron,I remember that in the BR translation it is mentioned that Super Sheron has an avatar
Makes a lot of sense
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No, Zalama is the one who created Super Shenron and Super Dragon Ball, Namek only trying to replicate the technique, make smaller dragon balls such as Earth's Shenron and Porunga. Super Shenron is suppose to have an avatar which is the big body that cover many galaxies the first time he appear, the real one seem to be the smaller Super Shenron in the core of the avatar where Whis chant God language to wish, however the second time he appear in ToP, Grand Priest didn't need to meet the "core" so don't really know
also there is many scans about DB cosmology in the Q&A thread that someone posted link before (along with an intense debate), @DarkDragonMedeus i presumed
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I'll see about it and get some
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Translations:"The Darkness that stretches out into infinity and illuminates galaxies"
The Universe: "An infinite space filled with light and darkness"
Galaxy being a denomination which refers to a section of the Universe that is used by The gods https://media.**********.net/attachments/812716975225962506/994272775319592991/unknown.png
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Yes that is stated by JacoIs the infinite universe has been supported in the show/manga? I remember there is countless galaxies statement
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Can those who provided scans please include the chapter number and guide name?
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If you don't mind me c
(Dragon Ball Super, chapter 6 - "Tournament Preparation")
Dragon Ball Daizenshuu 4: World Guide — World
"You must be joking! A single galaxy is inexplicably huge! Do you even know how many galaxies there are in the universe?"I remember there is countless galaxies statement
(Dragon Ball Super, chapter 6 - "Tournament Preparation")
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No countless then?
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countless galaxies in the anime, I think the manga must change in different translations, since there are a lot of translations, in some of them I found it infinite. But the truth is countless
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What English translations are you guys using?
Direct translation or locallization?
Direct translation or locallization?
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In the BR translation of the anime it says infinite Galaxies, this translation of countless galaxies may be wrong.
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A direct translation of "バカ か ! 銀河 だけ で も バカ 広い のに 宇宙 に は そんな 銀河 が とんでも ない 数 ある ん だ ぞ !" would be, roughly, "Are you nuts?! The galaxy alone is so big, and there are so many galaxies in the universe!/there are an unbelievable number of such galaxies in the universe!".
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Your translation is more accurate, can you translate for us? Here in Brazil, the Brazilian dubbing quotes Infinite Galaxies in the Universe in the anime, but in the manga it looks a little different.
Described Infinite Galaxies
universe is big enough to have an infinite number of galaxies
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For simplicity, just give the original Japanese statements.
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I can't read or speak Japanese or anything like that. I just run the text through DeepL (which, in my opinion, delivers the most coherent and consistent translations) and RomajiDesu (which runs through the parts of the sentence and picks apart the kanji and their meaning).
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That would be better
can you send the original Japanese statements
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Mb I didn’t see that but that picture was weird for my translator it translated it sideways
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I see, from the anime can you fix it for us?
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Nah, they're saying that 2C is better warranted for the individual universes. The purpose of this thread is to get rid of the 2C rating for the multiverse
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He isn't being literal. He's just saying that his time in hell felt like an eternity due to how bad it was. It's like if you're in a really boring event. It feels like things are lasting forever. Same thing here
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I don't think so. It's stated that the universe has an edge and an end, which wouldn't usually happen if it was infiniteIs the infinite universe has been supported in the show/manga? I remember there is countless galaxies statement
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I think that was already discussed in the last thread, it was something along the lines of "Even if there are a infinite number of decimal points between 1 and 2, it still has an edge and an end.", not quite sure how that makes sense, but yes, that was the counter argument.
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Not, there are uncountable infinite points between 1 and 2 but no one mentions them as we cannot. We just approaches to 2 from 1 directly, it's not finite taking into account of each decimal but we don't as 0.0000000000000000000000............9 is too small to take into account. Natural numbers itself just stands for order like number of fruits etc, so decimal has quite no place here to mention.
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Oh, Kind of like how there are an infinite number of points between 0 and 1 or some other number like that
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I'd like to point out that the Wiki refuses to accept information from the guidebooks unless said information is vindicated by the source material. For example, Power Levels presented in guidebooks are unusable because said Power Levels are absent from dialogue; the Super Exciting Guide's multipliers of Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3 are rejected because they are contradicted by on-screen depictions of the forms, the El Manga Legendario's Grade Three multiplier was refused because this information is never brought up by users of the form, and the Daizenshuu 7's logic that "In order to cancel out an opponent's attacks, the user must be twice as powerful" was rejected because this information is never supported by in-universe statements; and descriptions of characters's power (e.g., Daizenshuu 4 stating 23rd Budokai Goku can destroy the Moon) have only been accepted after previous feats from the original story (i.e., Jackie Chan destroying the Moon) were brought into consideration.
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The previous topic was rejected and refuted, now we are making a blog, sit in a chair and wait for the blog
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dude, you cannot use brazilian translations, translate the original japanese sentences
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not really, this thread was agreed to be created so that new staff can come and give opnions without needing to read more than 10 pages, if any staff comes and agrees with the op, then were would be back to square one
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