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Hi Guys, Another Chinamen join the chat. This is from this thread but it wasn't in the previous OP so it's hard to follow and so I'll make a separate thread for it
High-1B sea of universes
Before I start I would like to introduce the hierarchy of the verse. There is a hierarchy between universes based on their size and shape. With the smallest are much larger 2-A multiverse (Mortal Realm).
The order is Nanoverse - Microverse - Mesoverse - Megaverse - Gigaverse - Ultra-Gigaverse (Super-Terraverse) - Super-Jumbo-Terraverse - Hyper-Infiniteverse - Inconceivableverse - Annulleverse. You don't have to care what these universes are like, note that whenever the word "Universe" is mentioned, it is always greater than 2-A multiverse regardless (from chapter 1068 onwards)
And here we have this:A powerful 9th Deathless created his ocean of universes, with every drop of water being a universe, in each universe there are universes and so on to infinity because it's a loop.
This has been accepted as High-1B by Elizha in the previous thread (and Ultima on discord). For those who don't understand logic here:
If you contain an infinite cosmology within a finite form then the higher universe which contains said higher form must be higher in tier than the infinite universe contained within the finite form
So here since the drop of water contain infinite space and time within them, the universe in which they are contained is low 1-C at minimum, however as there exists an infinite recursion of said universes/drops of water as stated by the scan, this recursion would at minimum be High 1-B
it is containing something infinite in scope within a finite object (a drop of water in this case) and has been accepted to qualify all the back since the Dark Tower days. Even the hierarchy here is downwards, any universe in the loop any universe in the Loop will be a lot bigger than the 2-A multiverse, which prevents the sequence from progressing to 11-C
To nail this, This Cosmic Ocean actually exists in an Infiniteverse/Hyper-Infiniteverse (无尽无边无际宇宙 which literally translate to super limitless endless boundless universe Lol)
With Zhou Yang (a powerful character who became the 9th Deathless by upgrading his universe) as Empyrean Daomaster he easily moved through millions of Dimensional Space/Multi-dimensions but in Hyper-Infiniteverse like Old World he'll get lost in it due to its bigness (unless he's 9th Deathless). It is implied that the Hyper-Infiniteverse which contains the cosmic ocean above is larger than the entire structure of millions of Higher Dimensional. Make High-1B even more grounded
1A Top 9th Deathless
In addition, the hierarchy of the universes before the Annuleverse appeared was still the Inconceivableverse being the largest and the highest. So I guess more people will become High-1B than I thought. In the beginning it was just Lou Baiyue at first since she possessed infinite control over infinite power of mind instead of being overloaded like 9th Deathless created the cosmic ocean
Since there is a size difference between Hyper-Infiniteverses like Old World even one hundred times larger in one thousand years it is still impossible to level up or the New World expanding in infinity, never ending without becoming an Inconceivableverse.
It would be safe to assume the normal Hyper-Infiniteverse would be "At least 2-A possibly far higher" as well as the characters that could be significant to it (tens of billions lifespans Null Immortality realm and above)
The Inconceivableverse would be High-1B since it is larger than any hyper-Infiniteverses including the universe containing the cosmic ocean, in fact it could be much higher since the reason for its name is because it is difficult to name or describe while even a universe containing a cosmic ocean could still be within the scope of the "Hyper-Infiniteverse"
900 billion lifespan Null Immortality can create an inconceivableverse. This means Yang Qi (DT) and Chen Qi will scale to it
As you can see, there is a hierarchy of powers and realms for nearly everyone under the Annulled Immortality regarding longevity. Blame MC because he's an asshole who made everyone lose their immortality so the longer you can live, the stronger you become and the bigger the universes, the more universes you can create
And we have White Teen (a fusion of Yang Qi and the remaining 5 MCs, which will basically be his third key) that has achieved infinite lifespan. Then even powering up himself by absorbing the essence of Zhou Qin, all the power and will of every being in the multiverse to fight the MCs, it also noted that he had achieved to a state where the concept of size has no meaning, but he's bigger than MC by countless times. Since both him and MC (actually suppressing his own power) reached that state and White Teen is "bigger/stronger" than him countless times.
His attack covers everywhere the MC can hide and avoid. MC when he was much weaker (not even reaching Null Immortality lol) easily moved to an infinite Abyss that transcends all concepts of "size", "space" and "time" since these concepts do not exist and cannot describe its infinity and it's the source of everything
Despite being strong, White Teen is really not the top of the 9th Deathless, later there are countless heroes and demons born from the mind, each one stronger than the previous one and so we have some existences stronger than White Teen and there are hierarchy for this
Tldr: Almost Everyone in the verse (with profiles, expect Gu Taxian) become High-1B (or higher depend on true tier of inconceivableverse), Yang Qi (DT) will have three keys (First for 100 billions year lifespan aka At least 2-A possibly far Higher or Soild High-1B), Second for 900 billion/High-1B (or Low-1A? higher?), Third for White Teen (1-A: infinite lifespan and transcendend the very concepts of size, Space and time below Annulleverse).
High-1A 10th Deathless, Deathless Hierarchy and 0 for Gu Chensha
For 10th Deathless: it's something even more impressive. They are basically Apophitic with the 9th Deathless, So transcendent that it literally cannot be expressed in words, names and completely beyond their understanding and imagination, unintelligible, unspeakable, unpredictable, unintelligible, unexplainable, unknowable, unobservable, unresearchable.
Any characteristic that is attached to them, they are neither characteristic nor non-characteristic
They are everything, they are also the negation of all that, as well as not both. Whether living or non-living, existence or non-existence, emptiness and non-emptiness, knowing and not knowing, corporeal and incorporeal,... Anything can come out of them
The early 10-deathless realm and up got 1-A due to being apophatic the lower realm of High 1-B/Low 1-A; but with the context of 1-A, being apophatic to tier 1-A, would its High 1-A
Gu Chensha and similar could have gotten High 1-A due to being outside the framework of (deathless) realms, but now, being outside the framework of High 1-A would be tier 0.
From early reply:
NEP layers and Transduality's truth states
Basically in the verse, there is something called the Empyrean Dao/Heavenly Dao/The Way of Heaven. It is essentially Cosmology itself and every possible physical and metaphysical aspect. All Space, Time, Law, Cause and Effect, Fate, Power, Past, Present, Future, Existence and Non-Existence, Duality, Concept....they are all parts of the Empyrean Dao and controlled by it
“天道包含无数时空，过去现在未来。”古尘沙道：“真正是涵盖了一切的一切，那父皇的诞生，是天道之外的产物，如此一来，难道天道之外还有存在？ ”
天道掌握万物万象，一切存在的和不存在的，过去发生的，现在正在发生的，将来会发生法一切都在天道的掌控之中。
而人心固然是天道所不能够控制的，可人类一直没有能够发展壮大起来，所以人心之中也没有能够提炼出来超越天道的大量物质，古尘沙对于人心的把握，随着无龙心法的 发展，已经到达了一种非常深刻之境界。
所以他肯定的说，天符大帝古踏仙不是人心之中诞生出来的。
那就说明，天道之外，还有存在？
According to Gu Taxian's calculations, there is no such thing in the past, future or present. In the Dao of Heaven, there is no such existence at all. Of course, neither does Gu Chensha himself, but the source of himself is actually Gu Taxian.
"The Dao of Heaven contains countless time and space, the past, present and future." Gu Chensha said: "It really covers everything. The birth of the father is a product outside of the way of heaven. In this way, is there any existence outside of the way of heaven?"? "
The way of heaven controls everything, everything that exists and does not exist, what happened in the past, what is happening now, and what will happen in the future is all under the control of the way of heaven.
The human heart is certainly beyond the control of the way of heaven, but human beings have never been able to develop and grow, so there is no large amount of substances that can be extracted from the human heart that can surpass the way of heaven. Development has reached a very profound state.
So he affirmed that the Tianfu Great Emperor Gu Taxian was not born from the heart.
Then it means that there is existence besides the way of heaven? Chapter 880
But 9th Deathless is something that surpassed the Empyrean Dao, make them NEP nature 2
Basically from the 9th Deathless there is an ontological hierarchy of layers of non-existence, with the latter being non-existent to the former. With higher cultivation, the deeper the state/layer of non-existence is reached, as Chen Qi (900 billion 9th Deathless) has reached the deepest reaches of the void space that Gu Chensha is in (despite the sheer number of 9th deathless in the multiverse at that time, only he achieved).
There he becomes non-existence to the extent that without any space, time, fate, chaos, fate-energy, energy and any substance that exists and does not exist but for Gu Chensha, he couldn't see or interact with him even when Chensha was in front of him (due to his higher cultivation/NEP layers) although Chen Qi was able to see and interact with Chensha afterwards through improving his own cultivation (but again Gu Chensha"s realm is too high, so he deliberately lowers his "layers" to a level that only Chen Qi can perceive and achieve)
The conclusion of all this is that the Layers of NEP nature 2 do indeed exist for the 9th Deathless and above. The higher the cultivation level, the more NEP nature type 2 layers. And with cultivation level has no limits as mentioned in the Tier 0 section, Gu Chensha (EOS) will scale above the infinite hierarchy of NEP layers (technically 10th Deathless did, because they are Aphophatic with 9th Deathless). The same applies to the number of truth states for their Transduality (9th Deathless was Transduality type 3)
High-1B sea of universes
Before I start I would like to introduce the hierarchy of the verse. There is a hierarchy between universes based on their size and shape. With the smallest are much larger 2-A multiverse (Mortal Realm).
The order is Nanoverse - Microverse - Mesoverse - Megaverse - Gigaverse - Ultra-Gigaverse (Super-Terraverse) - Super-Jumbo-Terraverse - Hyper-Infiniteverse - Inconceivableverse - Annulleverse. You don't have to care what these universes are like, note that whenever the word "Universe" is mentioned, it is always greater than 2-A multiverse regardless (from chapter 1068 onwards)
This has been accepted as High-1B by Elizha in the previous thread (and Ultima on discord). For those who don't understand logic here:
If you contain an infinite cosmology within a finite form then the higher universe which contains said higher form must be higher in tier than the infinite universe contained within the finite form
So here since the drop of water contain infinite space and time within them, the universe in which they are contained is low 1-C at minimum, however as there exists an infinite recursion of said universes/drops of water as stated by the scan, this recursion would at minimum be High 1-B
it is containing something infinite in scope within a finite object (a drop of water in this case) and has been accepted to qualify all the back since the Dark Tower days. Even the hierarchy here is downwards, any universe in the loop any universe in the Loop will be a lot bigger than the 2-A multiverse, which prevents the sequence from progressing to 11-C
To nail this, This Cosmic Ocean actually exists in an Infiniteverse/Hyper-Infiniteverse (无尽无边无际宇宙 which literally translate to super limitless endless boundless universe Lol)
With Zhou Yang (a powerful character who became the 9th Deathless by upgrading his universe) as Empyrean Daomaster he easily moved through millions of Dimensional Space/Multi-dimensions but in Hyper-Infiniteverse like Old World he'll get lost in it due to its bigness (unless he's 9th Deathless). It is implied that the Hyper-Infiniteverse which contains the cosmic ocean above is larger than the entire structure of millions of Higher Dimensional. Make High-1B even more grounded
"蠢货。"周洋听见这个男子说话，心中大希，也在暗骂："事情到达了这个地步，这个蠢货居然还催动摄魂魔音，让这个女子彻底爆炸，给我重创，如果你们现在一起联手，我倒是会有些手忙脚乱，不至于杀死这个女子，让你们回过气来，我还要经过一场辛苦的大战。可是你们现在这样相互扯后腿，那就好办了。"
在心中想着，他的身躯如鬼魅漂浮，其实是穿梭在亿万多重次元之中，哪怕是决定高手都无法锁定他的位置，他现在甚至和人不在同一个存在点。
不在同一个时空，可以锁定，不在同一个宇宙，也可以锁定，可是不在同一个存在点，那就是一些神通法术根本所能够理解，所不能够企及的地方了。Chapter 1082
"Idiot." Hearing this man's words, Zhou Yang felt hopeful in his heart, and cursed secretly: "The matter has reached this point, and this idiot actually activated the dementor sound, causing this woman to explode completely and severely injure me. If you joining forces now, I will be in a hurry, so as not to kill this woman, let you recover, and I will go through a hard battle. But it will be easy for you to hold each other back like this now."
Thinking in his heart, his body is floating like a ghost, but he is actually traveling through hundreds of millions of dimensions. Even a master decision-maker cannot lock his position. He is not even at the same point of existence as a human being.
They can be locked if they are not in the same time and space, and they can be locked if they are not in the same universe, but they are not in the same point of existence. That is a place that some supernatural powers can basically understand and cannot reach. Chapter 1082
在心中想着，他的身躯如鬼魅漂浮，其实是穿梭在亿万多重次元之中，哪怕是决定高手都无法锁定他的位置，他现在甚至和人不在同一个存在点。
不在同一个时空，可以锁定，不在同一个宇宙，也可以锁定，可是不在同一个存在点，那就是一些神通法术根本所能够理解，所不能够企及的地方了。Chapter 1082
"Idiot." Hearing this man's words, Zhou Yang felt hopeful in his heart, and cursed secretly: "The matter has reached this point, and this idiot actually activated the dementor sound, causing this woman to explode completely and severely injure me. If you joining forces now, I will be in a hurry, so as not to kill this woman, let you recover, and I will go through a hard battle. But it will be easy for you to hold each other back like this now."
Thinking in his heart, his body is floating like a ghost, but he is actually traveling through hundreds of millions of dimensions. Even a master decision-maker cannot lock his position. He is not even at the same point of existence as a human being.
They can be locked if they are not in the same time and space, and they can be locked if they are not in the same universe, but they are not in the same point of existence. That is a place that some supernatural powers can basically understand and cannot reach. Chapter 1082
1A Top 9th Deathless
In addition, the hierarchy of the universes before the Annuleverse appeared was still the Inconceivableverse being the largest and the highest. So I guess more people will become High-1B than I thought. In the beginning it was just Lou Baiyue at first since she possessed infinite control over infinite power of mind instead of being overloaded like 9th Deathless created the cosmic ocean
The Inconceivableverse would be High-1B since it is larger than any hyper-Infiniteverses including the universe containing the cosmic ocean, in fact it could be much higher since the reason for its name is because it is difficult to name or describe while even a universe containing a cosmic ocean could still be within the scope of the "Hyper-Infiniteverse"
And we have White Teen (a fusion of Yang Qi and the remaining 5 MCs, which will basically be his third key) that has achieved infinite lifespan. Then even powering up himself by absorbing the essence of Zhou Qin, all the power and will of every being in the multiverse to fight the MCs, it also noted that he had achieved to a state where the concept of size has no meaning, but he's bigger than MC by countless times. Since both him and MC (actually suppressing his own power) reached that state and White Teen is "bigger/stronger" than him countless times.
Despite being strong, White Teen is really not the top of the 9th Deathless, later there are countless heroes and demons born from the mind, each one stronger than the previous one and so we have some existences stronger than White Teen and there are hierarchy for this
Tldr: Almost Everyone in the verse (with profiles, expect Gu Taxian) become High-1B (or higher depend on true tier of inconceivableverse), Yang Qi (DT) will have three keys (First for 100 billions year lifespan aka At least 2-A possibly far Higher or Soild High-1B), Second for 900 billion/High-1B (or Low-1A? higher?), Third for White Teen (1-A: infinite lifespan and transcendend the very concepts of size, Space and time below Annulleverse).
High-1A 10th Deathless, Deathless Hierarchy and 0 for Gu Chensha
For 10th Deathless: it's something even more impressive. They are basically Apophitic with the 9th Deathless, So transcendent that it literally cannot be expressed in words, names and completely beyond their understanding and imagination, unintelligible, unspeakable, unpredictable, unintelligible, unexplainable, unknowable, unobservable, unresearchable.
Any characteristic that is attached to them, they are neither characteristic nor non-characteristic
The early 10-deathless realm and up got 1-A due to being apophatic the lower realm of High 1-B/Low 1-A; but with the context of 1-A, being apophatic to tier 1-A, would its High 1-A
Gu Chensha and similar could have gotten High 1-A due to being outside the framework of (deathless) realms, but now, being outside the framework of High 1-A would be tier 0.
From early reply:
NEP layers and Transduality's truth states
Basically in the verse, there is something called the Empyrean Dao/Heavenly Dao/The Way of Heaven. It is essentially Cosmology itself and every possible physical and metaphysical aspect. All Space, Time, Law, Cause and Effect, Fate, Power, Past, Present, Future, Existence and Non-Existence, Duality, Concept....they are all parts of the Empyrean Dao and controlled by it
- Heavenly Dao:
- The Governing concept/system of the series. It is the true origin of all. It is essentially the cosmology itself and has a will. space, time, all living beings, all things[17] (raw[18]), is the will of primordial chaos, life and death[19] (raw[20]). Even the creation of reality from primal chaos was by it's doing[21] (raw[22])). Additionally, it is in control of it's aspects; "all space and time, all existence, all power, all cause and effect, all laws, all fate, all the inconceivable, unfathomable, unpredictable, and unmeasurable existence of the world".
“天道包含无数时空，过去现在未来。”古尘沙道：“真正是涵盖了一切的一切，那父皇的诞生，是天道之外的产物，如此一来，难道天道之外还有存在？ ”
天道掌握万物万象，一切存在的和不存在的，过去发生的，现在正在发生的，将来会发生法一切都在天道的掌控之中。
而人心固然是天道所不能够控制的，可人类一直没有能够发展壮大起来，所以人心之中也没有能够提炼出来超越天道的大量物质，古尘沙对于人心的把握，随着无龙心法的 发展，已经到达了一种非常深刻之境界。
所以他肯定的说，天符大帝古踏仙不是人心之中诞生出来的。
那就说明，天道之外，还有存在？
According to Gu Taxian's calculations, there is no such thing in the past, future or present. In the Dao of Heaven, there is no such existence at all. Of course, neither does Gu Chensha himself, but the source of himself is actually Gu Taxian.
"The Dao of Heaven contains countless time and space, the past, present and future." Gu Chensha said: "It really covers everything. The birth of the father is a product outside of the way of heaven. In this way, is there any existence outside of the way of heaven?"? "
The way of heaven controls everything, everything that exists and does not exist, what happened in the past, what is happening now, and what will happen in the future is all under the control of the way of heaven.
The human heart is certainly beyond the control of the way of heaven, but human beings have never been able to develop and grow, so there is no large amount of substances that can be extracted from the human heart that can surpass the way of heaven. Development has reached a very profound state.
So he affirmed that the Tianfu Great Emperor Gu Taxian was not born from the heart.
Then it means that there is existence besides the way of heaven? Chapter 880
But 9th Deathless is something that surpassed the Empyrean Dao, make them NEP nature 2
“That’s right, the power of Null Immortality is like that." Gu Chensha said: "Any Deathless power encountering Null Immortality not only will have no effect but it will be absorbed, making Null Immortality more powerful, similar to pouring oil onto fire, the oil won't put out the fire but add to it. In fact, any and all substances in the world encountering Null Immortality will produce the same result. Originally in the cycle of Heaven and Earth, all things augment each other, even the most powerful power had something to suppress it, but Null Immortality is something that surpassed the Heavenly Dao, so the concept of all things have opposites is not suitable for Null Immortality. - Chapter 1001
"不错，无不朽的力量就是如此了。"古尘沙道："任何永不朽的力量遇到了无不朽，不但没有一点作用，反而会被吸收，使得这无不朽的力量更加强大，就如火上浇油，油不但不能够灭火，反而使得火焰更加炽烈。其实，世间所有的物质遇到了无不朽也是如此，本来天道循环，万物相生相克，哪怕是再厉害的力量也有克制的东西，可是无不朽是超越了天道的东西，所以万物相生相克的理念对于无不朽根本不合适。- Chapter 1001
"不错，无不朽的力量就是如此了。"古尘沙道："任何永不朽的力量遇到了无不朽，不但没有一点作用，反而会被吸收，使得这无不朽的力量更加强大，就如火上浇油，油不但不能够灭火，反而使得火焰更加炽烈。其实，世间所有的物质遇到了无不朽也是如此，本来天道循环，万物相生相克，哪怕是再厉害的力量也有克制的东西，可是无不朽是超越了天道的东西，所以万物相生相克的理念对于无不朽根本不合适。- Chapter 1001
Basically from the 9th Deathless there is an ontological hierarchy of layers of non-existence, with the latter being non-existent to the former. With higher cultivation, the deeper the state/layer of non-existence is reached, as Chen Qi (900 billion 9th Deathless) has reached the deepest reaches of the void space that Gu Chensha is in (despite the sheer number of 9th deathless in the multiverse at that time, only he achieved).
There he becomes non-existence to the extent that without any space, time, fate, chaos, fate-energy, energy and any substance that exists and does not exist but for Gu Chensha, he couldn't see or interact with him even when Chensha was in front of him (due to his higher cultivation/NEP layers) although Chen Qi was able to see and interact with Chensha afterwards through improving his own cultivation (but again Gu Chensha"s realm is too high, so he deliberately lowers his "layers" to a level that only Chen Qi can perceive and achieve)
Anyway, the word in raw Chinese is just abc+Universal
