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Actually, it was only removed due to a Infinite size update which got over turned, so the whole "Earth being close to the edge of the Universe requires a universe far larger than the observable universe since not only is their OU bigger via better telescope technology, every planet, star, and galaxy known in our universe exists in the Dragon Ball universe and then some. Which means 46.5 lightyears is merely a spec compared to the rest of the universe.we don't accepted that anymore, it is just 3-A
Not really, the old Macrocosm scale shows Hell being much larger than planet Heaventhat was from a tableboard american rpg, it is not canon for obvious reasons and it was removed a while back
Goku and Pikkon entered through the path of the serpent that opens a kind of portal to hell, but from inside hell it is impossible to get out.
Every structure of hell is separated from the afterlife, through clouds (which open a portal when anyone falls on the serpent's path), this is demonstrated in DB's own map and in all weak anime
well, we never used this and no thread was ever made accepting this, but this will become irrelevant when the otherworld size thread gets accepted anyway, so i will not fight over itActually, it was only removed due to a Infinite size update which got over turned, so the whole "Earth being close to the edge of the Universe requires a universe far larger than the observable universe since not only is their OU bigger via better telescope technology, every planet, star, and galaxy known in our universe exists in the Dragon Ball universe and then some. Which means 46.5 lightyears is merely a spec compared to the rest of the universe.
the old macrocosm map is not in scale, that was accepted, that was the entire basis for the crt, you can't use visuals from the map to say what is bigger than whatNot really, the old Macrocosm scale shows Hell being much larger than planet Heaven
Omega, the answer was not for you, but for the one above who quoted about hell, I just answered him here.again, when have i said otherwise? i was talking about heaven not hell
dude, when have i said otherwise about hell?
i read it, thus the threadI strongly recommend that you see Op from @Ultima_Reality explaining about it, there is no need to write a lot of comments, just write one that makes it difficult for me to comment with you, right?
It was something agreed by me, Antvasima, and AKM sama long before you ever joined the forum and while Damage opposed or at least interrogated it, he kind of got outvoted.well, we never used this and no thread was ever made accepting this, but this will become irrelevant when the otherworld size thread gets accepted anyway, so i will not fight over it
Actually, bits in pieces were still valid such as the Living Universe being much smaller than the Other World but what's not usable is stuff like Snake Way being 1/4th the size.the old macrocosm map is not in scale, that was accepted, that was the entire basis for the crt, you can't use visuals from the map to say what is bigger than what
I definitely agree with that, I think another thread should be opened to discuss DB realmsActually, it was only removed due to a Infinite size update which got over turned, so the whole "Earth being close to the edge of the Universe requires a universe far larger than the observable universe since not only is their OU bigger via better telescope technology, every planet, star, and galaxy known in our universe exists in the Dragon Ball universe and then some. Which means 46.5 lightyears is merely a spec compared to the rest of the universe.
Not really, the old Macrocosm scale shows Hell being much larger than planet Heaven
ok then, fair enoughIt was something agreed by me, Antvasima, and AKM sama long before you ever joined the forum and while Damage opposed or at least interrogated it, he kind of got outvoted.
no? they were not, it was agreed that it cannot be used to scale size at all, plus both of them have the exact same size in the mapActually, bits in pieces were still valid such as the Living Universe being much smaller than the Other World
for similar reason hell can't be said to be bigger because of the map weird scale of sizesbut what's not usable is stuff like Snake Way being 1/4th the size.
Sorry but it looks like you didn't read it, my thread was accepted by the people who know the most about Tier 2, including @Antvasima , why would it be wrong bro?i read it, thus the thread
It actually has nothing to do with the Universe being infinite, but rather that there are dimensional barriers separating those dimensions from the living Universe, which are considered low 2-C size according to @Ultima_Reality, @omegabronic misunderstood the point of the other thread, but it did make this topic unnecessary for the verse, as I gave you a detailed explanation as to why we consider these realms to be low 2-C in size and among other things, the dimension of the swirling lights only accessible through spacetime distortion. and within them the multiple dimensional barriers that were broken by Gogeta and Brolly, and also in the novel itself it explains in detail that the Universe did not support such energy and that dimension would have to be bigger than the Universe, being the size low 2-C this was accepted there, the other realms are divided between areas, where it is impossible to enter by normal means (only via dimensional travel and teleportation) hell is separated from every other world by dimensional barriers (which can be seen as clouds) but it is accessible to enter through portals, as shown in the anime / manga ) so we consider it to be at least low 2-C in size, the world of demons the dimension is within the Universe, but it is the Universe on the opposite side, in the same translation as the Omega brought data as a dimension and Hermes explains that the word is not "world" that fits, but rather as an alternative dimension, Heaven is only accessible by plane and has its size confirmed in databook and anime, but I used it the databook, it is also separated from the other world. The realm of the 1/10 Kaioshins of the living Universe and the other world (which is also outside the Universe and separated by a dimensional barrier, preventing access by third parties without special methods)
What else needs to be explained here?
i explained the reasons in the OP of this thread, also staff can make mistakes, regardless, something being accepted before doesn't make it immune to being changed laterSorry but it looks like you didn't read it, my thread was accepted by the people who know the most about Tier 2, including @Antvasima , why would it be wrong bro?
Bro, do you disagree with the Op?It was something agreed by me, Antvasima, and AKM sama long before you ever joined the forum and while Damage opposed or at least interrogated it, he kind of got outvoted.
Actually, bits in pieces were still valid such as the Living Universe being much smaller than the Other World but what's not usable is stuff like Snake Way being 1/4th the size.
dude please don't derail the thread with something that it is not covering, leave this for another timeWhy is TDOSSL is being made retroactively part of the macrocosm without
a) ever it being depicted in a map, making it a space conceptually similar to RoSAT and Suguroku which are unaffected by universe spanning events as shown in DBS manga
c) why are we assuming that it is inside of the U7 boundaries when the characters literally exceed the limits of the universe
d) why is a spacetime that Gogeta and Broly broke into, whilst having multi macrocosm busting power, being retroactively scaled to a character who can only bust a single one.
So far I see evidence for 4 spacetimes Living Worl/Afterlife/hell/kaiorealm within a macrocosm, DOSL creates recursive scaling and is unconfirmed to be part of the standard macrocosm structure shown in all maps.
So are you suggesting 4 Space TimesWhy is TDOSSL is being made retroactively part of the macrocosm without
a) ever it being depicted in a map, making it a space conceptually similar to RoSAT and Suguroku which are unaffected by universe spanning events as shown in DBS manga
c) why are we assuming that it is inside of the U7 boundaries when the characters literally exceed the limits of the universe
d) why is a spacetime that Gogeta and Broly broke into, whilst having multi macrocosm busting power, being retroactively scaled to a character who can only bust a single one.
So far I see evidence for 4 spacetimes Living Worl/Afterlife/hell/kaiorealm within a macrocosm, DOSL creates recursive scaling and is unconfirmed to be part of the standard macrocosm structure shown in all maps.
Well, the team is very strict about DB, there were no errors during my CRT, if that happened they would definitely disagree and say that it does not meet the requirements for realms to be low 2-Ci explained the reasons in the OP of this thread, also staff can make mistakes, regardless, something being accepted before doesn't make it immune to being changed later
Fair enough, but still the dimension of the swirling lights qualifies to be low 2-C or if not higher, there were space-time affected and dimensional barriers broken within.Why is TDOSSL is being made retroactively part of the macrocosm without
a) ever it being depicted in a map, making it a space conceptually similar to RoSAT and Suguroku which are unaffected by universe spanning events as shown in DBS manga
c) why are we assuming that it is inside of the U7 boundaries when the characters literally exceed the limits of the universe
d) why is a spacetime that Gogeta and Broly broke into, whilst having multi macrocosm busting power, being retroactively scaled to a character who can only bust a single one.
So far I see evidence for 4 spacetimes Living Worl/Afterlife/hell/kaiorealm within a macrocosm, DOSL creates recursive scaling and is unconfirmed to be part of the standard macrocosm structure shown in all maps, it can’t scale to BoG Goku because it took multiple clashes from Gogeta and Broly to break into the first place, maybe bump Gogeta and Broly to 9 universes but that’s it .
this is not the place to discuss this, go to the thread about the afterlife size to discuss this, honestly medeus gave good points for at least the kaioshin realm to be low 2-C even without thatHow about someone just quickly pixel scale this shot of Heaven from the series itself to the Afterlife's space around it possibly speed things up till the other calc gets concluded? If I'm not mistaken, as long as like it'd fit in the total space like 8 or 9 times, the Kaioshin Realm would be a universe in size off that alone.
dimensional barriers are simply space time fabric, they have no size to make th DOSL into low 2-CFair enough, but still the dimension of the swirling lights qualifies to be low 2-C or if not higher, there were space-time affected and dimensional barriers broken within.
But anyway, I think your argument would make sense.
Why nobody thought of this is beyond me unfortunately I wouldn't know how to do itHow about someone just quickly pixel scale this shot of Heaven from the series itself to the Afterlife's space around it possibly speed things up till the other calc gets concluded? If I'm not mistaken, as long as like it'd fit in the total space like 8 or 9 times, the Kaioshin Realm would be a universe in size off that alone.
I think we should do thisWhy nobody thought of this is beyond me unfortunately I wouldn't know how to do it
this is not the place to discuss this, go to the thread about the afterlife size to discuss this, honestly medeus gave good points for at least the kaioshin realm to be low 2-C even without that
this thread is about the cosmology and not the scaling tho, so could you say what you agree cosmology wise so that i can put it clearly in the op?Change of plans I agree with a 4 Universe BoG Goku until 5 Universe SSJ Gogeta and Broly and then 9 Universes for anyone stronger than GoDs
No, I don't agree with Op for obvious reasons, @Ultima_Reality already explained it to you and still going on with it.dimensional barriers are simply space time fabric, they have no size to make th DOSL into low 2-C
also since you agreed with Aguila can i count you as an agree for the other realms outside of the DOSL?
Based on DDM/Luffy/Agulair reasons I believe we should havethis thread is about the cosmology and not the scaling tho, so could you say what you agree cosmology wise so that i can put it clearly in the op?
again, i explained this in the op already on what dimensional barriers were decided to be, i will count your vote thoNo, I don't agree with Op for obvious reasons, @Ultima_Reality already explained it to you and still going on with it.
okBased on DDM/Luffy/Agulair reasons I believe we should have
Living World /Afterlife /Hell/ Kaiorealm (based on the fact it scales to the Afterlife which is vastly larger than the living realm)
and finally Swirling Lights which can go to SSJ Gogeta and Beyond
Little sister, could you mark the @Ultima_Reality ?
Please don't call Maverick "Little sister", it feels condescending.
We pretty much agree with the points Luffy brought upcould someone make a concise summary of why the dimension of sweriling lights would qualify as low 2-C?
yeah, i asked for a summary of that, since a giant wall of text not organized makes it hard for me to tell what exactly the argument isNot to derail but I think we should leave that to Maverick to decide what's condescending since we have no idea of familiarity or dynamic
We pretty much agree with the points Luffy brought up
Basically, I already explained in my comment, the dimension of the swirling lights is another space-time ( Brolly and Gogeta distorted all space-time in the Universe to go into such a dimension and broke several dimensional barriers there )could someone make a concise summary of why the dimension of sweriling lights would qualify as low 2-C?