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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 71

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The fusion just depends on the fusees Full Power. So a fusion of the same characters from a previous arc will never be as strong as a fusion of the same characters in the next arc.
 
Yeah, the issue is that there aren't that many people who realize that. For instance,

"If current ssj Gogeta = SSJ Broly Then fusion reborn Gogeta must be stronger than a hypothetical SSB from buu saga. Did they nerfed the god forms or something? Because it's a big retcon from the Bog movie."

A quote from a google+ user.
 
People from the Dragon Ball fandom can't use logic and powerscale that's all. This has been a recurring thing within the fandom.
 
Another example,

"The writers are basically implying "by the way, remember Gogeta and Vegito from Z? Yeah, not only were they SSB level for their time, but they were that powerful without even transforming." That's a massive "..." to the god forms."

Edit: Yeah, I'm simply surprised that people are so confused about an issue that is easily explainable.
 
Ehh not like I care or anything. Also I'm probably gonna make the GT revision thread sometime tomorrow so there's that to look forward to. After that I'm probably gonna make the Anilaza thread after the Broly Movie comes out.
 
Their maximums weren't as powerful as the God forms back then, so the fusions in turn couldn't scale to the God Forms.

Kefla: Kale is likely low-end SSBKK tier... Hence why Kefla's able to hold her own and severely overpowered SSG Goku.

Gogeta: Goku and Vegeta are both near the level of UIO 2nd, if not 3rd in their Blue and higher transformations. Gogeta did better in Base & SSJ against SSJ Broly then a hypothetical Post-ToP SSBE Vegeta and SSBKKx20 Goku according directly to Goku's statements that they aren't capable of beating him without it. Keep in mind Goku is very good at judging people's true power. Also keep in mind he didn't know Broly had a transformation after restricted SSJ, so he wasn't referring to LSSJ
 
Anilaza thread will be making Anilaza and Android 17's Barrier Low 2-C.

The GT revision will be fixing the GT tierings. Most GT fodders like Base GT Trunks and Pan will be 4-A backwards scaling from SS1 Goten and SS1 Gohan being able to put up a fight against Base GT Goku who is stronger than Base Rilldo who is stronger than Anime Kid Buu who is comparable to SS3 Toei Goku. Most of the stronger characters will become 3-B.
 
BoS Base GT Goku was just slightly stronger than Base Rilldo. He would've taken Base Rilldo out with the Kamehameha if he didn't dodge it. But even than he still suffered some damage from the Kamehameha.

The universe shaking calc was remade and now it's 18x baseline 3-C.
 
Rewatching GT made me realize how big of a mess the GT profiles were. Some characters either had a tier that's way too low or a tier that's way too high. Good thing is most of the relavant characters had their tiers correct. Also GT Goku was holding back for majority of the first arc. Characters like Ledgic doesn't scale to his full power base form which is 3-C. They should only be 4-A for being stronger than Base GT Trunks.
 
The Mysterious Stranger - Delta- said:
"If current ssj Gogeta = SSJ Broly Then fusion reborn Gogeta must be stronger than a hypothetical SSB from buu saga. Did they nerfed the god forms or something? Because it's a big retcon from the Bog movie."

"The writers are basically implying "by the way, remember Gogeta and Vegito from Z? Yeah, not only were they SSB level for their time, but they were that powerful without even transforming." That's a massive "..." to the god forms."
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This is why Zamasu hated the NINGENS

Angry-baby-wait-what-meme
 
Why can't people just understand that fusion depends on the fuses max power? According to Vados: fusion is (A + B) times X.

"A" and "B" in this case refer to the fuses max power.

Fusion is always stronger even at base. Gotenks was, Vegito was, kefla was, and now, Gogeta is stronger as well.

Next time Goku master UI, Gogeta will be stronger than him in base. It's just how fusion works.
 
For some unknown reason people also tend to forget that not both fusees need to know something in order for the fusion to have that ability.
 
Yeah. Didn't Vegito use IT on multiple occasions? This movie is Goku exclusive and Vegeta have no clue how to do it.

People also think the reason why Gogeta/Vegito never used SSJ3 back in Z is that Vegeta doesn't know the transformation.
 
Yep. Vegito used IT against Buuhan and Zamasu.

Spoiler!
Gogeta also knows it.
And, IDK why people always bring up the transformation part. Both Goten and Trunks never knew SSJ3, hell not even SSJ2 and Gotenks still reached SSJ3.
 
Some people in this fandom has fanfiction tier of info in their head.

You should check some guys in the kanzenshuu who think Ultimate Gohan from the Buu sage was SSB level in trying to justify him keeping up in the ToP lol. They also think Super Buu is stronger than characters like Hit and Glack Black and recent stuff about the movie prove them right

Base Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta ┬»\_(Òâä)_/┬»
 
ZERO7772 said:
You should check some guys in the kanzenshuu
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Nah spare me. I've had my share of enough cancer in the early days of debating ovo
 
You just don't want to admit that Buu Saga Gohan is Golden Frieza level ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
@AKM That scene was anime only, but it seems like a scene where an anime-only technique confers to the manga.

He did use IT after his Final Kamehameha failed against Fusion Zamasu.
 
It's no longer just a video game move. Vegito used it in the Future Trunks Arc against Fusion Zamasu. Goku and Vegeta used it in the Tournament of Power against the Trio de Dangers.
 
She is though. All the feats and statements during the Tournament points to Kale being at least Pre-UIS SSB lvl as a LSS1 so she would be Pre-UIS SSBKK Lvl as a LSS2.
 
Peter1129 said:
She is though. All the feats and statements during the Tournament points to Kale being at least Pre-UIS SSB lvl as a LSS1 so she would be Pre-UIS SSBKK Lvl as a LSS2.
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He didn't said Pre UIO
 
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