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Zamamasu (yes, Zamamasu) is now in his super edgy form, lol.
Also WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE MY CHARACTER STOP STEALING TOEI SUDSUYAFDUWQ.
Also WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE MY CHARACTER STOP STEALING TOEI SUDSUYAFDUWQ.
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Dude, the staff of this site are just going to say outlierAnimeFanboy2916 said:So, is this a Low 2-C feat or a High 3-A feat?
That's my understanding.AnimeFanboy2916 said:So, is this a Low 2-C feat or a High 3-A feat?
I agreeThe Living Tribunal1 said:hey guys i have an explaination
to back up vegeta destroying a continuum:
bacck when the old kai said that goku and beerus fighting would destroy thee universe and leave it void, keep in mind if you destroy all of matter and eliminate all of energy, you still dont have a void in the universe, cuz this supposed empty universe still has a quantum foam which still has some activity, so therefore, to leave the whole universe a true void, you need to destroy the quantum foam- which is the spacetime of the universe itself
so maybe with this interpretation we can put goku ssjg vs beerus at low 2-C which in turn explains vegeta being able to destroy the hyperbolic time chamber (an entire spacetime continuum)
I agree that part would be an outlierBetanight said:Woah, that ain't no infinite speed. It will make him faster than Whis, and that would mean anyone who could blitz Vegeta would have beyond infinite speed which is absurd. They sure as hell were not moving instantly during their fight.
Makes sense. Also, don't forget the statement about Beerus and Champa being capable of ending both universes as a side effect of their battle. The fact that Beerus was at least 10 times stronger than SSJB Goku back then, I wouldn't mind Beerus at Multi-Universe level.The Living Tribunal1 said:hey guys i have an explaination
to back up vegeta destroying a continuum:
bacck when the old kai said that goku and beerus fighting would destroy thee universe and leave it void, keep in mind if you destroy all of matter and eliminate all of energy, you still dont have a void in the universe, cuz this supposed empty universe still has a quantum foam which still has some activity, so therefore, to leave the whole universe a true void, you need to destroy the quantum foam- which is the spacetime of the universe itself
so maybe with this interpretation we can put goku ssjg vs beerus at low 2-C which in turn explains vegeta being able to destroy the hyperbolic time chamber (an entire spacetime continuum)
Whis hasn't shown his full power and speed, he'd surely scale from this I am sure, also just because they aren't seemingly moving instantly doesn't mean it's an immediate downgrade, we don't see them displaying trillion FTL speed every moment of the fights nor see the universe he destroyed with every ki blast, besides if one part of the feat is an outlier ALL of it is an outlier, that's why we can't scale Roshi's moon buster to there speed since the AP is an outlierBetanight said:Woah, that ain't no infinite speed. It will make him faster than Whis, and that would mean anyone who could blitz Vegeta would have beyond infinite speed which is absurd. They sure as hell were not moving instantly during their fight.
....So what? If Whis had infinite speed how would he even suppress it? He'd be capable of travelling to any point instantaneously, which he clearly can't. If he could, there's absolutely no reason not to. Their speed is always slowed down for the audience, it's only logical. There wouldn't be any way to slow down infinitely fast movements, if they possessed infinite speed we should have seen just that, instantaneous movement scenes executed similar to Hit's, you can't slow that down...it's common sense. Also, there really isn't any proof that he could outpace his own shockwave. Many characters have destroyed a spacetime somewhat similarly, and clearly aren't infinite in speed...it just doesn't pose relevance to speed.Master Xar said:Whis hasn't shown his full power and speed, he'd surely scale from this I am sure, also just because they aren't seemingly moving instantly doesn't mean it's an immediate downgrade, we don't see them displaying trillion FTL speed every moment of the fights nor see the universe he destroyed with every ki blast, besides if one part of the feat is an outlier ALL of it is an outlier, that's why we can't scale Roshi's moon buster to there speed since the AP is an outlierBetanight said:Woah, that ain't no infinite speed. It will make him faster than Whis, and that would mean anyone who could blitz Vegeta would have beyond infinite speed which is absurd. They sure as hell were not moving instantly during their fight.
....So what? If Whis had infinite speed how would he even suppress it? He'd be capable of travelling to any point instantaneously, which he clearly can't. If he could, there's absolutely no reason not to. Their speed is always slowed down for the audience, it's only logical. There wouldn't be any way to slow down infinitely fast movements, if they possessed infinite speed we should have seen just that, instantaneous movement scenes executed similar to Hit's, you can't slow that down...it's common sense. Also, there really isn't any proof that he could outpace his own shockwave. Many characters have destroyed a spacetime somewhat similarly, and clearly aren't infinite in speed...it just doesn't pose relevance to speed. Going along in full power is not exactly the best idea, Whis and Beerus especially Whis gave mostly been screwing around, what point would there be to showing Whis full out hightailing it with Beerus, it's like saying why a businessman doesn't go 140 mph to get to work, it's casual, only in a grave immergency would he use it, and we just learned Whis is an angel, he probably has a form infinitely faster than himself not, there are characters on this sight that have finite speed and in another Era/Form/incarnation have infinite or immeasurable speedMaster Xar said:Whis hasn't shown his full power and speed, he'd surely scale from this I am sure, also just because they aren't seemingly moving instantly doesn't mean it's an immediate downgrade, we don't see them displaying trillion FTL speed every moment of the fights nor see the universe he destroyed with every ki blast, besides if one part of the feat is an outlier ALL of it is an outlier, that's why we can't scale Roshi's moon buster to there speed since the AP is an outlier
They've always shown to control that. SSJB Goku's manage to suppress himself to that of a Freiza soldier lolMaster Xar said:Not the movement itself just the power, look I know about the ki control alright, it's not destruction, but it could have other ill effects
You mean like Krillin vs Jackie Chun right? Look we can't rely on battle speed interpretation to quantify speed regardless if it's finite/infinite speed interpretation or not.
Zeno's place is obviously not in the same dimension as Otherworld or the Mortal Realm, but let's put a halt for a second, outside of the Feat thread what other excuses are going on now?
Well it's a large fanbase so yeah lol @matMatthew Schroeder said:It's amazing how every time a new Dragon Ball episode comes out, people desperatedly rush to upgrade the hell out of everyone and abuse of the Text Lenght Fallacy.
What can be said? Alot of new info given out in plenty of them lolMatthew Schroeder said:It's amazing how every time a new Dragon Ball episode comes out, people desperatedly rush to upgrade the hell out of everyone and abuse of the Text Lenght Fallacy.
Eh, we aren't staff members, its up to them, even I am skeptical if Vegeta was IN the Chamber when the building blew up, Vegeta could've exited the Chamber and then blew it up, I know, this is the same thing a desperate DB downplayer would say, I agree, Vegeta could've used too much power in a attack and destroyed the chamber somehow, but the feat is too vague, would've been nice to have some input by Dende, Popo or the Narrator, but beggers can't be choosers, anyway, I must concur with Tribunal, stop with Tier 2 DBS outside of Zeno, don't want to get into trouble with the staff membersMaster Xar said:What I am questioning is how does Touhou have "possible 4-B" and "possibly MFTL" characters from the interpretation of stars in one of the levels, but we can't get a possibly High 3-A or low 2-C depending on if Vegeta was in the chamber or not.