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So Beerus > Goku?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Basically, if it wasn't for the Grand Priest calling in Beerus he would've killed Moro on the spot
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Most likely yeah.
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So does Planet Moro have Merus’ full Angel powers or just the suppressed power that he was beating 73Moro with?
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Planet Moro is actually stronger than his Merus absorb form because he was actually kicking Goku's butt.
I don't believe that he had full control over Meru's power though, since Goku in this chapter stated that he doesn't believe he has Merus's strength.
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N- no? All Beerus said was "It's a special case, so I'll lend a hand. ... I'm in big trouble if the other Gods of Destruction see me do this, so let's make it quick." It doesn't imply he could have killed Moro on the spot. Hell, if anything, it implies that Beerus would have just been a support to Goku.
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Yes, I know that, that’s not what I was asking lol. Did he absorb Merus’ full Angel powers or just his suppressed power?
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@Nullflowerblush fair enough, real shame we didn't get to see Beerus do anything though
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I still answered you, you know.
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So where's Toyotaro going to go from here? He pretty much hyped up Uub at the end here so maybe we'll see a timeskip and have Goku train Uub or something
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Not really. You just said that you don’t believe he had full control over Merus’ power, but you didn’t specify what degree of power.
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He probably didn't have much control over Merus' power because it looked like he was deteriorating from the inside and out from all that power he had
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Goku wasnt on merus strength yet, moro wasnt kicking UI goku ass either he was only doing that when goku got weaker and while he was growing stronger by absorbing everyone energy piror to that he wasnt stronger than goku given fact goku was easily dodging and deflecting his attack
As for moro being stronger than his humanoid form. I would say not really in his planet form and piror to becoming the planet his energy was increasing/swelling yes but he doesnt have the advantages of being in his 73 humanoid form
As for moro being stronger than his humanoid form. I would say not really in his planet form and piror to becoming the planet his energy was increasing/swelling yes but he doesnt have the advantages of being in his 73 humanoid form
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Maybe Beerus could've killed Moro with hax (hakai) guess we'll never know. I loved the Uub part though.
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so the Dai Kaio in his prime had a stronger power than even Vegeta who according to beerus is a candidate for a god of destruction and he was far weaker than now, can someone just tell me how Buu was able to eat the dai kaio or I'm gonna make a univesal upgrade thread for super Vegito lmaoo
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No. Beerus knew that the only way to beat him was by breaking th gem.
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because that godly power was enough to charge goku back to his full power, that same power he used to humiliate Moro who was stated to be tougher than both Broly and Jiren by Goku. and goku himself who has seen the battle of gods of destruction said that Broly is probably stronger than Beerus
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Easy. He wasn't in his prime when he fought Buu. Y'know, the whole sacrificing majority of his power in order to seal Moro, thing.
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then how uub inherited that power if the dai kaio lost it long time ago??
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If Beerus could kill Moro with Hakai, Goku could as well. He has the same technique. There's no implications that Beerus' still has a massively superior version. Also Whis blitz's even Beerus to such an extent that he couldn't perceive any movement. We can assume this isn't teleportation as he would just use it to travel between places when making interstellar trips.
Anyways doesn't this mean that Kid Buu had divine power, which he was skilled and experienced with using, capable of charging up Goku to MUI (beyond SSJB which was the extent the rest of the main cast could do), yet somehow was on par with SSJ3 Goku from the Buu Saga? Wtf is this powerscaling nonsense?
Anyways doesn't this mean that Kid Buu had divine power, which he was skilled and experienced with using, capable of charging up Goku to MUI (beyond SSJB which was the extent the rest of the main cast could do), yet somehow was on par with SSJ3 Goku from the Buu Saga? Wtf is this powerscaling nonsense?
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But it seems as though the manga is trying to imply it's his full divine power transferring over into Kid Buu, while Fat Buu got the weak end of the stick when they split during the Kid Buu fight, which also means that Goku was initially fighting against a full powered Kid Buu, with the divine power of the Dai Kaio, who should be on par with if not superior to Uub right now, who can give enough energy for Goku to use MUI. Either that or full power Dai Kaio would be massively beyond Uub and Kid Buu, the former of which could give enough energy for Goku to use MUI, even though Dai Kaio struggled against the original Moro, who would be incomparably weaker than in his planet state. Am I missing something?
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I assume divine power =/= strength?
Whatever the case, it's pretty nonsensical.
I didn't mind the stuff discussed here as much as I thought I would - Big Goku, Planet Moro, Beerus fighting Moro, and Vegeta gathering Spirit Energy. The Uub thing was cute.
But holy shit, this ending felt super uber rushed. And another galaxy level statement. Maybe the manga needs a downgrade.
Whatever the case, it's pretty nonsensical.
I didn't mind the stuff discussed here as much as I thought I would - Big Goku, Planet Moro, Beerus fighting Moro, and Vegeta gathering Spirit Energy. The Uub thing was cute.
But holy shit, this ending felt super uber rushed. And another galaxy level statement. Maybe the manga needs a downgrade.
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Because that would've been too easy and we need conflict so Toyotaro will just make Goku's memory equal to Toriyama's for the sake of that.
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But yeah it is possible divine power could be some weird exponential increase rather than normal Ki which is just linearly additional. Still doesn't explain why Kid Buu, who would if anything be stronger than Uub, was only on par with SSJ3 Goku in the Buu Saga, even though Uub with the same energy could allow Goku to use MUI.
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Kid Buu=Grand Priest actually. SSJ3 Buu Saga Goku>Current MUI Goku.
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Don't worry guys, in the next arc Goku unlocks his visual prowess, and uses it to show someone an illusion which gives us a look into the strange, incomprehensible mind of Toyotaro. There we'll see that Beerus is actually a mix of universe level, planet level, and building level. Whis is omnipotent, the Grand Priest and Zeno being higher forms of omnipotence. Goku is still trying to break past wall level. And Yamcha is still irrelevant despite being Goku's first rival.
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You know is it possible that maybe Kid Buu didn't have any control over the Dai Kaioshin's power? He's practically a mindless psychotic destroyer with really no sense of control so maybe he just couldn't use it because he was incapable of controlling it
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That doesn't make much sense. I doubt that all of the divine power at his disposal would just be sitting there in Kid Buu doing literally nothing while he fights Goku, with him being completely unaware of it even though it's literally his own strength which he should be able to utilize at any point if he tries. Goku could control his God Ki just fine after becoming a Super Saiyan God, even though he should've still been roughly on par with Kid Buu just before then. And Kid Buu being focused only on destruction doesn't necessarily make him mindless. He still thinks, has emotions (although very limited in that regard), and can improve in combat. Although that would definitely make up for the nonsensical powerscaling if it was accepted.
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The Divine Power did pass over to Kid Boo. He just couldn't use it. That simple. Both South Supreme Kai and Grand Supreme Kai were much stronger than Kid Boo. Im assuming thats why he absorbed them, and not Ssj3 Goku.
And Oob is much stronger than Grand Supreme Kai. Just because he inherited his powe, doesn't mean he is of comparable power.
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Just because you doubt it, doesn't mean it's not the reality. In this chapter, Grand Supreme Kai had to help Oob use that power. The fact Goku could sense his ki alone suggests he wasn't using the Divine Power.
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He was sleep. Unless you mean the first time. Beerus was weaker than Boo when he first appeared. At least according to Elder Kai Lol
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So Kid Buu can't use his divine power which by then would just be his own, but for what reason? Simply because? Buu can use all the techniques of those he absorbs, aside from arguably transformations. He also has all of their knowledge. I don't see why he would be unable to use divine power outside of "lol plot".
Based on what though?
Based on what though?
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