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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Dragon Ball Z manga took a retcon so big that even though Goku said he couldn't defeat him, of course, this includes Ssj3, Ki Buu was superior to Goku Ssj3 and had nothing like it



Not even Goku with the genkidama gathered by the entire Universe could defeat Kid Buu, Kid Buu was pushing the genkidama and there came a point where Goku was no longer able to handle it, Goku only beat Ki Buu because all his power was restored and he transformed into Ssj to help with the genkidama, Without help he would have died right there

 
Dragon Ball Z manga took a retcon so big that even though Goku said he couldn't defeat him, of course, this includes Ssj3, Ki Buu was superior to Goku Ssj3 and had nothing like it



Not even Goku with the genkidama gathered by the entire Universe could defeat Kid Buu, Kid Buu was pushing the genkidama and there came a point where Goku was no longer able to handle it, Goku only beat Ki Buu because all his power was restored and he transformed into Ssj to help with the genkidama, Without help he would have died right there


The same can be said about the Dragon Ball Z manga, where Kid Buu was pushing Goku's genkidama back at him, do you still think that Goku alone could achieve something that not even Ssj3 could do?
 
Wait, how is Dragon Ball on here seen as a lost cause? Like I'm genuinely curious as to learn why it's a lost cause because from the top of my head:

Dragon Ball GT/Toei, Super Anime, and Super Manga's cosmologies were composited and eliminated the need to differentiate them all when scaling, Buuhan's feat of nearly crushing the entire Macrocosm was accepted as scaling to his physicals which upgraded several characters to 2-C scaling to or above him such as the likes of Anime Kid Buu, Goku, Vegeta, and everything in GT, Super's gotten some pretty good speed upgrades where even BOG Level characters are 118 Sextillions FTL and Super Hero Level characters are in the Decillions range, genuine measurable multipliers are being accepted into the scaling chain, a lot of the profiles are getting much needed tuning and improvements to make them match up to modern day standards, and of course there's the elephant in the room which is Dragon Ball finally reaching TIER 1 after it has been argued to hell and back for years at this point.

And that's not even including games like Heroes where not only does it have characters which are immeasurably above baseline 5-D and Immeasurable speed, which also got accepted a few years back, but it now is home to pretty damn good hax that has multiple layers in potency and exotic abilities like Conceptual Manipulation or narrative level EE and regeneration. Now I'm not saying that the verse is perfect or that everything is fine and dandy, but I cannot see the idea of it being a lost cause when all the above has been added over the last few years
 
Wait, how is Dragon Ball on here seen as a lost cause? Like I'm genuinely curious as to learn why it's a lost cause because from the top of my head:

Dragon Ball GT/Toei, Super Anime, and Super Manga's cosmologies were composited and eliminated the need to differentiate them all when scaling, Buuhan's feat of nearly crushing the entire Macrocosm was accepted as scaling to his physicals which upgraded several characters to 2-C scaling to or above him such as the likes of Anime Kid Buu, Goku, Vegeta, and everything in GT, Super's gotten some pretty good speed upgrades where even BOG Level characters are 118 Sextillions FTL and Super Hero Level characters are in the Decillions range, genuine measurable multipliers are being accepted into the scaling chain, a lot of the profiles are getting much needed tuning and improvements to make them match up to modern day standards, and of course there's the elephant in the room which is Dragon Ball finally reaching TIER 1 after it has been argued to hell and back for years at this point.

And that's not even including games like Heroes where not only does it have characters which are immeasurably above baseline 5-D and Immeasurable speed, which also got accepted a few years back, but it now is home to pretty damn good hax that has multiple layers in potency and exotic abilities like Conceptual Manipulation or narrative level EE and regeneration. Now I'm not saying that the verse is perfect or that everything is fine and dandy, but I cannot see the idea of it being a lost cause when all the above has been added over the last few years
I think he's talking exactly about the Buu saga being a lost cause, we've already tried several times to update the Buu saga to tier 3 and they didn't show any arguments, they just closed it.
 
Wait, how is Dragon Ball on here seen as a lost cause? Like I'm genuinely curious as to learn why it's a lost cause because from the top of my head:

Dragon Ball GT/Toei, Super Anime, and Super Manga's cosmologies were composited and eliminated the need to differentiate them all when scaling, Buuhan's feat of nearly crushing the entire Macrocosm was accepted as scaling to his physicals which upgraded several characters to 2-C scaling to or above him such as the likes of Anime Kid Buu, Goku, Vegeta, and everything in GT, Super's gotten some pretty good speed upgrades where even BOG Level characters are 118 Sextillions FTL and Super Hero Level characters are in the Decillions range, genuine measurable multipliers are being accepted into the scaling chain, a lot of the profiles are getting much needed tuning and improvements to make them match up to modern day standards, and of course there's the elephant in the room which is Dragon Ball finally reaching TIER 1 after it has been argued to hell and back for years at this point.

And that's not even including games like Heroes where not only does it have characters which are immeasurably above baseline 5-D and Immeasurable speed, which also got accepted a few years back, but it now is home to pretty damn good hax that has multiple layers in potency and exotic abilities like Conceptual Manipulation or narrative level EE and regeneration. Now I'm not saying that the verse is perfect or that everything is fine and dandy, but I cannot see the idea of it being a lost cause when all the above has been added over the last few years
It's not a lost cause lol it was waffling
 
It's not a lost cause lol it was waffling
I certainly hope it's just waffling dear Ben, because I'm not good at all with reading the tone in internet comments and texts so I couldn't tell if it was being serious or not

I think he's talking exactly about the Buu saga being a lost cause, we've already tried several times to update the Buu saga to tier 3 and they didn't show any arguments, they just closed it.
All I can say to you is get some people together, add onto or create new arguments for Tier 3 Buu Saga from preexisting or new evidence, come up with common and notable arguments against it and make counter points from it, and then try again. It took years for Battle of Gods to get that 2-C power and it took years for Dragon Ball to hit Tier 1 under any capacity, so I don't see the issue with trying again and seeing if it sticks this time
 
I certainly hope it's just waffling dear Ben, because I'm not good at all with reading the tone in internet comments and texts so I couldn't tell if it was being serious or not


All I can say to you is get some people together, add onto or create new arguments for Tier 3 Buu Saga from preexisting or new evidence, come up with common and notable arguments against it and make counter points from it, and then try again. It took years for Battle of Gods to get that 2-C power and it took years for Dragon Ball to hit Tier 1 under any capacity, so I don't see the issue with trying again and seeing if it sticks this time
We have something in Majin Buu's profile that prevents us from doing this, but if anyone wants to try

Who understands Dragon Ball as much as possible, I wouldn't mind
 
Outdated info + retconned.

Goku was wrong af there lmfao.


Being wrong must suck huh? Kid Buu being the strongest has been common knowledge for years now, only normies worship Buuhan.
Please show me the updated information where it states Kid Buu was leagues above SSJ3 Goku, directly.
Goku's performance against Kid Buu was not retconned. You just insinuated a totally different factor of the fight is retconned because Kid Buu having God Ki is a retcon. Nah.

This isn't Goku, this is me saying a gap between Moro and Z Goku is so great Kid Buu should be able to handle Goku like he was a powered up Mr. Satan.

Appeal to popularity.
Strym, I'd slam you in any debate on this particular topic. Don't tempt me, you'll get bodied. Kid Buu is not even stronger than Buutenks.
Not to mention that Goku SSJ3 = Buuhan is something actually backed up lmfao
[Insert shitty V-Jump scan from the 90s]

Never stated in any guides, V-Jump was lumped with several inconsistencies at the time, lmfao.

Kibitoshin [1st balloon]: "...yes...the heart he gained at the cost of decreasing his power through absorption(s)...is back to how it was......"
It has no plural and it was specifically talking about Dai Kaioshin's absorption, we learn this in the Daizenshuu as well. Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu, yes.
 
I have a guide that mentions Kid Buu being stronger, being spoken by Akira himself.


Notice how:

  1. Toriyama himself never stated that smaller = stronger, the question did.
  2. Toriyama cited WEAKER FINAL VILLAINS might also be a way to subvert expectations.
  3. This proves literally nothing.

If I start listing all the times the other Buu's are stated to be the strongest in official media... 💀
 
Leaving powerscalling aside for a while, what was you guys first experience with DB?
Three simple words: Budokai Tenkaichi 3.

Still remains one of my favorite DB games of all time and it's what got me into the franchise, so even if Sparking Zero will end up being the superior game I'll still treasure and value BT3 for helping me find my love for DB
 
Three simple words: Budokai Tenkaichi 3.

Still remains one of my favorite DB games of all time and it's what got me into the franchise, so even if Sparking Zero will end up being the superior game I'll still treasure and value BT3 for helping me find my love for DB
FAX.
Oh my GOD, I love that game so much. The classic analog stick breaker, that shit didn't last for a month.
Obviously I only bought them knock-off controllers ykwim?
 
Leaving powerscalling aside for a while, what was you guys first experience with DB?
I forgot what convinced a younger Porky to invest in the franchise, but I know that, by the time of the third or fourth grade, I had a copy of Resurrection 'F' from Walmart, I a copy of the The Best of Goku DVD, I was watching Dragon Ball Super's broadcast from the "Future" Trunks Saga onward through YouTube, I owned a couple packs of the old TCG, I had a Super Saiyan Jobber Future Trunks action figure, and I had gotten into emulated GBA games, like The Legacy of Goku II, Buu's Fury, and Supersonic Warriors. Plus, the Dragon Ball Z Amino.

Was probably Dragon Ball Z: Abridged. Or Pungence's Xenoverse series.

I hadn't read the original series in its entirety until, like, whenever DEATH BATTLE's "Mob VS Tatsumaki" released, though. 2019? 2021?
 
I hadn't read the original series in its entirety until, like, whenever DEATH BATTLE's "Mob VS Tatsumaki" released, though. 2019? 2021?
It was released in 2019, but what was it about Death Battle's Mob vs Tatsumaki episode which made you want to read the original DB? Unless it meant specifically that was the year you read it
 
Obviously I only bought them knock-off controllers ykwim?
I mean the fun of knock off controllers was having a friend or two over and you give them the cheap and knock off controllers while you kept the premium and quality official controller....sure you might lose some friends but who cares? You got the nice controller and they didn't
 
I busted my head open as a kid watching OG Z cuz I hit the coffee table while jumping around on the couch. Busted my eye brow open cuz kkx20 got me a lil too hyped
Sometimes I'm thinking how absolutely hype Namek would've been if it was released today.

Also the Vegeta fraud allegations would've been insane.
 
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It was that one game in playstation 1 that I use to play Dragon ball z supersonic warriors (I don't correctly know the name)
Supersonic Warriors was for the GBA, the game you're talking about is either GT: Final Bout or Ultimate Battle 22 which both games are shit by the way, you're doing yourself a favor by not remembering their existences till now

Fun fact about Final Bout for anyone curious: Not only is the game's roster made by six versions of Goku, most of which are just his Super Saiyan states but either Z or GT, but he's also voiced by Steve Blum...who you may recognize from a variety of different franchises because he's the kind of VA who's in practically everything
 
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