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In the anime he is the strongest, this is even accepted in the anime.
In the manga, he is the strongest without the absorptions of the Z Warriors at least.
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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In the manga, he is the strongest without the absorptions of the Z Warriors at least.
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Kibitoshin [1st balloon]: "...yes...the heart he gained at the cost of decreasing his power through absorption(s)...is back to how it was......"
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Outdated info + retconned.
Goku was wrong af there lmfao.
Being wrong must suck huh? Kid Buu being the strongest has been common knowledge for years now, only normies worship Buuhan.
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Not to mention that Goku SSJ3 = Buuhan is something actually backed up lmfao
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In not gonna even try to read the last 3 pages of this topic
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Well idk, maybe based on the multi continental vortex it created ?
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It attracts both energy and matter + created a huge ass Vortex
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No—It specifically said it draws energy to increase its own power.
Which isn’t calculable. We also aren’t given any frame of reference on its affect, because if it was at all like a Black Hole being multi-continent size would’ve immediately annihilated the planet.
Like, that doesn’t work out. Sorry.
However, what DOES need to be questioned is how the cast were able to function when their energy should be getting siphoned from them to fuel CM’s attack.
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ETA for the upcoming CRT?
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Sigh...
It was absorbing both matter and energy and again it's Gravitational force was strong enough to create a big ass Vortex
Ki control, simple as that... it's the exact same reason why any DB character doesn't destroy the planet when they fight
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I have a guide that mentions Kid Buu being stronger, being spoken by Akira himself.
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I think that Dragon Ball here is a lost cause so don't expect me to do anything for this verse.
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Quit yapping, then.
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Dragon Ball Z manga took a retcon so big that even though Goku said he couldn't defeat him, of course, this includes Ssj3, Ki Buu was superior to Goku Ssj3 and had nothing like it
Not even Goku with the genkidama gathered by the entire Universe could defeat Kid Buu, Kid Buu was pushing the genkidama and there came a point where Goku was no longer able to handle it, Goku only beat Ki Buu because all his power was restored and he transformed into Ssj to help with the genkidama, Without help he would have died right there
Not even Goku with the genkidama gathered by the entire Universe could defeat Kid Buu, Kid Buu was pushing the genkidama and there came a point where Goku was no longer able to handle it, Goku only beat Ki Buu because all his power was restored and he transformed into Ssj to help with the genkidama, Without help he would have died right there
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The same can be said about the Dragon Ball Z manga, where Kid Buu was pushing Goku's genkidama back at him, do you still think that Goku alone could achieve something that not even Ssj3 could do?
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Wait, how is Dragon Ball on here seen as a lost cause? Like I'm genuinely curious as to learn why it's a lost cause because from the top of my head:
Dragon Ball GT/Toei, Super Anime, and Super Manga's cosmologies were composited and eliminated the need to differentiate them all when scaling, Buuhan's feat of nearly crushing the entire Macrocosm was accepted as scaling to his physicals which upgraded several characters to 2-C scaling to or above him such as the likes of Anime Kid Buu, Goku, Vegeta, and everything in GT, Super's gotten some pretty good speed upgrades where even BOG Level characters are 118 Sextillions FTL and Super Hero Level characters are in the Decillions range, genuine measurable multipliers are being accepted into the scaling chain, a lot of the profiles are getting much needed tuning and improvements to make them match up to modern day standards, and of course there's the elephant in the room which is Dragon Ball finally reaching TIER 1 after it has been argued to hell and back for years at this point.
And that's not even including games like Heroes where not only does it have characters which are immeasurably above baseline 5-D and Immeasurable speed, which also got accepted a few years back, but it now is home to pretty damn good hax that has multiple layers in potency and exotic abilities like Conceptual Manipulation or narrative level EE and regeneration. Now I'm not saying that the verse is perfect or that everything is fine and dandy, but I cannot see the idea of it being a lost cause when all the above has been added over the last few years
Dragon Ball GT/Toei, Super Anime, and Super Manga's cosmologies were composited and eliminated the need to differentiate them all when scaling, Buuhan's feat of nearly crushing the entire Macrocosm was accepted as scaling to his physicals which upgraded several characters to 2-C scaling to or above him such as the likes of Anime Kid Buu, Goku, Vegeta, and everything in GT, Super's gotten some pretty good speed upgrades where even BOG Level characters are 118 Sextillions FTL and Super Hero Level characters are in the Decillions range, genuine measurable multipliers are being accepted into the scaling chain, a lot of the profiles are getting much needed tuning and improvements to make them match up to modern day standards, and of course there's the elephant in the room which is Dragon Ball finally reaching TIER 1 after it has been argued to hell and back for years at this point.
And that's not even including games like Heroes where not only does it have characters which are immeasurably above baseline 5-D and Immeasurable speed, which also got accepted a few years back, but it now is home to pretty damn good hax that has multiple layers in potency and exotic abilities like Conceptual Manipulation or narrative level EE and regeneration. Now I'm not saying that the verse is perfect or that everything is fine and dandy, but I cannot see the idea of it being a lost cause when all the above has been added over the last few years
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I think he's talking exactly about the Buu saga being a lost cause, we've already tried several times to update the Buu saga to tier 3 and they didn't show any arguments, they just closed it.
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It's not a lost cause lol it was waffling
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All I can say to you is get some people together, add onto or create new arguments for Tier 3 Buu Saga from preexisting or new evidence, come up with common and notable arguments against it and make counter points from it, and then try again. It took years for Battle of Gods to get that 2-C power and it took years for Dragon Ball to hit Tier 1 under any capacity, so I don't see the issue with trying again and seeing if it sticks this time
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We have something in Majin Buu's profile that prevents us from doing this, but if anyone wants to try
Who understands Dragon Ball as much as possible, I wouldn't mind
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Please show me the updated information where it states Kid Buu was leagues above SSJ3 Goku, directly.
Goku's performance against Kid Buu was not retconned. You just insinuated a totally different factor of the fight is retconned because Kid Buu having God Ki is a retcon. Nah.
This isn't Goku, this is me saying a gap between Moro and Z Goku is so great Kid Buu should be able to handle Goku like he was a powered up Mr. Satan.
Appeal to popularity.
Strym, I'd slam you in any debate on this particular topic. Don't tempt me, you'll get bodied. Kid Buu is not even stronger than Buutenks.
[Insert shitty V-Jump scan from the 90s]
Never stated in any guides, V-Jump was lumped with several inconsistencies at the time, lmfao.
It has no plural and it was specifically talking about Dai Kaioshin's absorption, we learn this in the Daizenshuu as well. Fat Buu is weaker than Kid Buu, yes.
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Leaving powerscalling aside for a while, what was you guys first experience with DB?
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Notice how:
- Toriyama himself never stated that smaller = stronger, the question did.
- Toriyama cited WEAKER FINAL VILLAINS might also be a way to subvert expectations.
- This proves literally nothing.
If I start listing all the times the other Buu's are stated to be the strongest in official media...
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I'll be honest, I've known Dragon Ball for so long it kind of all just blends in my memory, I remember watching it since Early 2010s on the internet like the dumb kid I was.
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Three simple words: Budokai Tenkaichi 3.
Still remains one of my favorite DB games of all time and it's what got me into the franchise, so even if Sparking Zero will end up being the superior game I'll still treasure and value BT3 for helping me find my love for DB
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FAX.
Oh my GOD, I love that game so much. The classic analog stick breaker, that shit didn't last for a month.
Obviously I only bought them knock-off controllers ykwim?
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I'm probably one of the few people here who didn't grow up with the series (if "growing up with it" means being familiar with it as far back as elementary school). I just got into it eventually after seeing DBS clips around 2014-2016.
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I forgot what convinced a younger Porky to invest in the franchise, but I know that, by the time of the third or fourth grade, I had a copy of Resurrection 'F' from Walmart, I a copy of the The Best of Goku DVD, I was watching Dragon Ball Super's broadcast from the "Future" Trunks Saga onward through YouTube, I owned a couple packs of the old TCG, I had a Super Saiyan Jobber Future Trunks action figure, and I had gotten into emulated GBA games, like The Legacy of Goku II, Buu's Fury, and Supersonic Warriors. Plus, the Dragon Ball Z Amino.
Was probably Dragon Ball Z: Abridged. Or Pungence's Xenoverse series.
I hadn't read the original series in its entirety until, like, whenever DEATH BATTLE's "Mob VS Tatsumaki" released, though. 2019? 2021?
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Tbh i´m in the same group as you, i got into DB after watch some Tournament of Power clips in youtube
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It was released in 2019, but what was it about Death Battle's Mob vs Tatsumaki episode which made you want to read the original DB? Unless it meant specifically that was the year you read it
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I also grew up watching Dragon Ball, back in 2002, I have been following the entire saga to this day.
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I busted my head open as a kid watching OG Z cuz I hit the coffee table while jumping around on the couch. Busted my eye brow open cuz kkx20 got me a lil too hyped
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I actually read the entire manga pretty early on, like mid 2000's.
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The latter. I was in the Death Battle Discord around the release when I finished the manga.
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Only thing I can think of is Orange Piccolo.
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Or maybe it was "Star Butterfly VS Steven Universe"...
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