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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

We have a ton of evidence that the Buu manga saga reaches Universal, but not everything is rosy, unfortunately we will never reach the ideal tier here (although some may say you have to try, but we have already tried several times and if not even 300).


We should accept that Dragon Ball Z manga took a retcon because of Dragon Ball Super and the whole 2-C scale
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Kid Buu inherited the energy of a God, he is cited as being more powerful than the other Majin Buu, in addition to the manga and anime saying that the genkidama was Universal scale, other than guides saying Buu can destroy the Universe, I really don't understand why it wasn't accepted.


In another English translation, Goku says that Kid Buu would take the universe in a "Poof", Herms, the translator of the kanzenshuu scans, confirmed that the translation is correct.

Herms(Todd Blankenship) confirming that the translation is correct.

Answer link on Twitter:
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LuffyRuffy46307 said:
In the legendary manga it says that Boo can destroy the universe.

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These statements are meaningless unless you have any evidence of Buu doing it in one shot.
He's immortal and stronger than anyone in the universe.
In fact, the Daizenshu 4 clarifies Buu was going after all life on the Universe


LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Of course there is

Universal Genkidama

Dragon Ball Super chapter 1
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Satan called for Earth, not the whole universe.

LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Dragon Ball Super episode 1
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I don't care about the anime.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
These statements are meaningless unless you have any evidence of Buu doing it in one shot.
He's immortal and stronger than anyone in the universe.
In fact, the Daizenshu 4 clarifies Buu was going after all life on the Universe



Satan called for Earth, not the whole universe.


I don't care about the anime.
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Dude, you're using something you took retcon in Dragon Ball Super, this guide is about 30 years old, it doesn't match current information.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Because Majin Buu is a threat to the entire Universe, mentioned several times, he had the power of a God who defeated Moro, does that make it clearer?



Dai kaioshin lost all his god powers to evil form (chapter 49)



Here it is shown that when Vegeta gathers his energy it is not necessary to defeat Moro, after which Majin Buu helps Uub with energy and restores Goku's complete superior instinct to maximum potential.



Ema who controls every other world gave her energy



Literally the Kaioshin stating that it will be the death of the Universe

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All these quotes don't grant any tier without evidence it will be done in one shot. You can repeat them as much as you want.

And no, Luffy, Goku SS3 who was equal to Kid Buu according to literally all guides, is not capable of defeating Moro, therefore you mentioning he had God ki is meaningless. Just having God Ki isn't enough to be Universal and there is no evidence Uub was just equal to Kid Buu, he could be stronger.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
All these quotes don't grant any tier without evidence it will be done in one shot. You can repeat them as much as you want.

And no, Luffy, Goku SS3 who was equal to Kid Buu according to literally all guides, is not capable of defeating Moro, therefore you mentioning he had God ki is meaningless. Just having God Ki isn't enough to be Universal and there is no evidence Uub was just equal to Kid Buu, he could be stronger.
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Goku it was the same Kid Buu? Goku took a beating in Ssj3 and had to appeal to genkidama, I won't repeat it again for a guy who uses something from 30 years ago against current evidence, but cool...
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Dude, you're using something you took retcon in Dragon Ball Super, this guide is about 30 years old, it doesn't match current information.
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Incorrect information doesn't get the retcon pass. Super Exciting Guide is not old at all, you're tripping, it's late 2000s and early 2010s.

It's Earth and the few beings that are watching the fight that volunteered their energy. Also, the entire Other World? There were 5 people in that room, and you're assuming the ENTIRE DEAD POPULATION gave their energy to Goku? Nah.

Also, the combined energy of all the universe is not even Galaxy level. In fact, it's probably even less than that.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Goku it was the same Kid Buu? Goku took a beating in Ssj3 and had to appeal to genkidama, I won't repeat it again for a guy who uses something from 30 years ago against current evidence, but cool...
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I'm not a guy. This is the second time you've misgendered me.

SEG is not even half that. You're just a bad liar.

Unless you're scaling SSJ3 Goku who would get one shot by Moro, to Moro himself, you should be quiet.

Goku started taking a beating after he started losing stamina, they were equal through and through.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Right, yellow, I won't argue with you anymore, since you can't win with current arguments, but you can beat me with tiredness
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You're using the fact Kid Buu has God Ki as proof he was Universal level. You're trying to say Kid Buu's energy scales to Moro.
Bullshit. Goku literally believed he could face Kid Buu in his pre-god ki SSJ form.
 
I do think it’s dumb that kid buu has God ki, since he’s well, kinda a sub god threat. But then again, so are the kais
 
StekFence said:
I do think it’s dumb that kid buu has God ki, since he’s well, kinda a sub god threat. But then again, so are the kais
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Well, the actual intent of this. I presume, is that the reason Buu isn’t God level is because he never realized who he was. As when Fat Buu tapped into the memories, his power literally increased.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Did anyone ever felt Buu´s ki in DBZ? If so he doesn´t have God Ki
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They have, but it was also always labeled as “confusing” and “hard to read.” Even experienced sensors weren’t able to accurately gauge his power—Rating it higher or lower than it actually was until bout the very end.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Also, does Kaioshins even have God ki?
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Kaioshins have God Ki, yes, but I think it should be noted this has been a plot hole since God Ki was introduced—As Goku could IT to or sense basically all of them before he ever got the stuff or ability to sense it. This implies some sort of mystical exception for them—Where their Ki doubles as Divine and Mortal, or Mortal Sense Susceptible Divine Ki.
 
ProfectusInfinity said:
To hell with that, Toei deserves to be chastised relentlessly for how badly Dragon Ball is animated now compared with the good old days!

Oh wait, this isn't Super...
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These aren't really good examples (except for the 1st and 2nd pics) they're either drawings zoomed in or frames inbetween animation
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
At that time there was no concept of God's ki or anything like that, the strongest entity was the Kaioshin as gods.
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RedReaper said:
They have, but it was also always labeled as “confusing” and “hard to read.” Even experienced sensors weren’t able to accurately gauge his power—Rating it higher or lower than it actually was until bout the very end.

Kaioshins have God Ki, yes, but I think it should be noted this has been a plot hole since God Ki was introduced—As Goku could IT to or sense basically all of them before he ever got the stuff or ability to sense it. This implies some sort of mystical exception for them—Where their Ki doubles as Divine and Mortal, or Mortal Sense Susceptible Divine Ki.
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Akira being incoherent, how new
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
You're using the fact Kid Buu has God Ki as proof he was Universal level. You're trying to say Kid Buu's energy scales to Moro.
Bullshit. Goku literally believed he could face Kid Buu in his pre-god ki SSJ form.
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Are you sure it's not Charmander?

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All DBZ Power Levels

— INTRODUCTION Ah yes, Power Levels, the numerical value that represents one's overall battle statistics in the universe of Dragon Ball. Of course, the concept of a numerical power system isn't exclusive for Dragon Ball, far from it actually, but it WAS one of the greatest influences on a lot...
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This looks the same as what you did

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Dragon Ball - The Perfect Power Level List

This is a thing I like doing for fun. However! I wanted to make a more grounded list, with evidence behind it. This is manga-only, so no DBS Anime/GT/Toei shit. Enjoy! ANDROID SAGA Super Saiyan Goku (Vs Frieza): 150,000,000 BP (Daizenshuu 7) Mecha Frieza: Around 150,000,000 BP (Frieza was...
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Speaking of Ki Sensory, Whis' has a feat of preventing attack while Vegeta is unable to sense his Ki, similar to how Moro reacted to MUI Goku. Though instead of instinctively attacking, he physically COULD NOT attack.

Edit: Also, it occurs to me that Dende gained God Ki from being given the Title of Kami, implying that, well, Kami had Divine Chi. And yet both him and Dende are able to be sensed by the Z-Fighters. Which is another instance of some sort of mystical exception to the sensory rules of Dragon Ball.
 
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RedReaper said:
Speaking of Ki Sensory, Whis' has a feat of preventing attack while Vegeta is unable to sense his Ki, similar to how Moro reacted to MUI Goku. Though instead of instinctively attacking, he physically COULD NOT attack.
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Looks like some kind of enhanced paralysis/body control, Vegeta could talk but couldn't make a move to attack , not even raise his ki
RedReaper said:
Edit: Also, it occurs to me that Dende gained God Ki from being given the Title of Kami, implying that, well, Kami had Divine Chi. And yet both him and Dende are able to be sensed by the Z-Fighters. Which is another instance of some sort of mystical exception to the sensory rules of Dragon Ball.
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I actually wish only GoDs and up had divine ki, and the power gods had some lesser form of god ki
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
If you guys are mad about Vegeta having Self-Sustenance and Beerus don´t having resistance to heat than make a CRT to change it, lol
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We shouldn't need to make a CRT and argue with contrarians about something that is literally common sense. I remember having to argue about whether Jiren should have EE resistance and it was beyond annoying. Apparently the contrarians eventually gave up and let it through. I swear to god you need to prove that a ball is round and the sky is blue for people to accept it in this place. And we wonder why people in the versus battle community meme on the wiki daily.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
Ain't Saitama Galaxy level?
He beats all of Z and gets violated in Super
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Depends on how Z is scaled. Some people highball Z characters to around multi-solar-galaxy (which I can accept) and some wank it to universal (which I can understand). Then there are the clowns saying Cell is high-universal or whatever.

Overall Saitama wipes most of Z but he hard stops at Buu. Not because of power but because of hax. Buu has infinite stamina and can regenerate from smoke. Saitama couldn't destroy Buu, and the Candy Beam would work on him as he has yet to resist transmutation.
 
The_Yellow_Topaz said:
It's not a black hole, I'll tell you that much.
I've already seen this statement and it doesn't mention it at all.
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It does not look like an actual black hole but Its potency rivals that of an all-engulfing black hole.
 
RinneItachi said:
Depends on how Z is scaled. Some people highball Z characters to around multi-solar-galaxy (which I can accept) and some wank it to universal (which I can understand). Then there are the clowns saying Cell is high-universal or whatever.

Overall Saitama wipes most of Z but he hard stops at Buu. Not because of power but because of hax. Buu has infinite stamina and can regenerate from smoke. Saitama couldn't destroy Buu, and the Candy Beam would work on him as he has yet to resist transmutation.
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Not to mention that Buu would be 54000c currently. He speed blitzes and turns Saitama into candy.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
In addition to Toei being a gigantic company, Dragon Ball has had its own division within Toei since 2018.

So there is no such thing as "splitting resources".

Seriously, in 2021 TOEI was simultaneously making
"TV: World Trigger, One Piece, Precure, Digimon, Dai.
Movies: Digimon, Digimon 02, Dragon Ball Super, Precure"

And did we have bad animation in Super Hero? No.
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I am not talking abouz movies since movies are always much better animated than a TV series.

And having 2 different divisions doesn't mean that they don't share ressources. That's not how a company works. So I am confused why you bring this up. Stuff like staff , money ezc can be pulled from one to another anytime depending on how succesful a project is. Having too many projects at once is very taxing for every company. Toei might handle it the best since it is big but it is still very big.

DBS animation got better the same time One piece animation got worse. One piece got better the same time DBS Anime stopped. One Piece always aired after Dragonball or before.. I don't recall it exactly. But as DBS animation improved there was a heavy decline in One Piece animation. People who watched both recognized that
 
RinneItachi said:
Depends on how Z is scaled. Some people highball Z characters to around multi-solar-galaxy (which I can accept) and some wank it to universal (which I can understand). Then there are the clowns saying Cell is high-universal or whatever.
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I'm talking down to Earth manga scaling.
Multi-Solar System has legit no support, thus it's also wank but go on
RinneItachi said:
Overall Saitama wipes most of Z but he hard stops at Buu. Not because of power but because of hax. Buu has infinite stamina and can regenerate from smoke. Saitama couldn't destroy Buu, and the Candy Beam would work on him as he has yet to resist transmutation.
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A punch 4 quadrillion times stronger than you would evaporate every atom in your body, Buu can't Regen from this, and Saitama can simply get stronger until he has a punch strong enough to achieve this.
 
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