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What's stopping Goku from just teleporting somewhere he can breath?
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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SirAlex09
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He isn't wrong. Any planet buster could beat Goku....but there is a difference between could and would..since speed blitz is a thing. Also he could teleport away so there is a that thing. But he could still technically die
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And he's saying that Saitama WOULD "beat" Goku via this "wincon". He's saying that Goku and Vegeta are outright "fodder" because much weaker characters can kill them via exploiting a weakness. I'd be no more valid in saying that Superman is fodder because a green rock can make him weak.
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"becuz uhm uh ki signatur or somethin!!!"
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Mosquito > Saitama
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Clearly Toriyama and Toei weren't sure about it up until DBS because it was super inconsistent for a while. I mean in the OG manga in the first arc Goku straight up goes to the moon no problems but it was a gag feat obv.
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Yea the space weakness is weird. I wonder if they could have gone the viltrumites route, they can't breathe but can hold their breath and fight for extends periods of time in space
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For sure but sadly Toriyama doesn't care enough anymore to think about these things lol. The fact he literally forgot that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 existed is everything we need to know about how much he still cared about Dragon Ball in modern times.
NishizumiShiho
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Are you the same user in Comicvine that always has "What's the damage
"Go back to CV, bro
NishizumiShiho
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Isn't it weird Z Toei Vegeta has Self-Sustenace Type 1 but Toei Goku doesn't? Like, they're the same race wwwww
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Vs. Battles Wiki "standards". If a character doesn't do something and it's not said that they can then they can't do it no matter what, even if there are perfectly valid reasons to say they could. But of course, I'm sure that if Babidi mind-controlled Piccolo instead he wouldn't be able to resist like Vegeta did. I'm sure if Beerus got hit by the candy beam he'd die. I'm sure that if Beast Gohan got hit by the Hakai Sidra gave to assassinate Goku, it would erase Beast Gohan for sure. I'm sure that if Beerus was in lava he'd be killed in seconds. Etc..
It's one of the reasons why people call the wiki a joke. Yet the standards will never change.
Nullflowerblush
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Quit being dramatic. The Vegeta page is more recent than the Goku page.
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Yeah, for some reasons. Beerus and the Angels doesn’t have resistance to high level heat and radiation despite literally standing at the core of Earth. The same can be said for Frieza who literally have the core of an entire planet exploding on him.
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Toriyama lacks awareness of these details; the necessity for finite multipliers to enhance his speed serves as compelling evidence.
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I was thinking about this
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Yeah what’s wrong with saying that
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Toei Goku does have Self Sustenance, but I think it’s weird at all that toei saiyans have self Sustenance don’t really think they should have it.
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The reason why Vegeta died in RF was due to the fact he can't survive in space not before of his durability being below planet level. Goku can IT, it just depends if there are living organisms outside of the fight itself, otherwise he can't
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bruh we all know that dude haven’t you seen that several people have been talking about oxygen
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I'm going to be completely honest with you, no
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If you guys are mad about Vegeta having Self-Sustenance and Beerus don´t having resistance to heat than make a CRT to change it, lol
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Talking about infinite speed
Although 2-C is already "infinite power", the characters do not demonstrate infinite ki, like those in SS who explicitly spoke infinite cosmos. In addition, in SS there were some support feats for infinite speed, such as a character doing infinite punches.
Talking about Goku vs Saitama and destroying the planet
ou're talking about bloodlust, aren't you? Because seriously, I doubt that Saitama being Saitama and Goku being Goku, I doubt he would hear the destruction of the planet.
Although 2-C is already "infinite power", the characters do not demonstrate infinite ki, like those in SS who explicitly spoke infinite cosmos. In addition, in SS there were some support feats for infinite speed, such as a character doing infinite punches.
Talking about Goku vs Saitama and destroying the planet
ou're talking about bloodlust, aren't you? Because seriously, I doubt that Saitama being Saitama and Goku being Goku, I doubt he would hear the destruction of the planet.
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I think Android 17 and 18 could be a good fit since they have infinite energy and it's not infinite stamina, as it was demonstrated in the tournament of power that Androids can get tired, they don't have infinite stamina but rather energy which is like ki, which is infinite, they can give as much energy as they want in the genkidama was Android 17's speech
I think if someone tries to give Android infinite speed it could work
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No it couldn’t none of the regular cast makes any since to be infinite speed they’ve never demonstrated that speed at all and still use measurements of finite time for their speed
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So all anime characters listed as infinite speed should be removed from infinite speed, since it uses time measurement too, apart from the other things that disqualify
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If it take finite time for you to do anything then you shouldn’t be infinite speed
Beerus literally didn’t think goku could even do 1 trillion sit ups in a short time period literally none of the main cast has any feat of infinite speed only people reaching
Like dude Goku isn’t septillion times infinite speed by stacking his finite multipliers and growth boosts infinite speed in db just doesn’t make any since and is consistent
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This is hilarious, other verses can have infinite speed and Dragon Ball no, right?
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I don’t know what verses you’re talking about
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Other verse whataboutism isn't helping, Androids are not getting infinite speed based soley of infinite energy because they don't have infinite in-verse AP and have speed relative to characters with finite Ki
DBS is either MFTL+ or Immeasurable through Hit shenanigans (pretty sure it's treated as an outlier currently), but infinite speed comes from nowhere especially with non-infinite universes
DBS is either MFTL+ or Immeasurable through Hit shenanigans (pretty sure it's treated as an outlier currently), but infinite speed comes from nowhere especially with non-infinite universes
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I hope Daima doesn't make this mistake, I didn't know that Frieza wore purple shoes, lol
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Guys quit being dramatic and bringing up good points it makes me really upset guys please don't do that
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I genuine believe that, with some exceptions to decent episodes, one should start watching DBS at the start of the U6 arc and beyond because the animation for earlier episodes were complete and total TRASH. And what makes all the more egregious to me is that as far as I have been told the reasoning for the first two arcs of Super having such dog shit animation at times is due to severe crunching that was forced upon the animators, some of whom IIRC were new to animating Dragon Ball and anime as a whole, though I think the crunch was lessened a smidge by the time the U6 arc began.
Honestly the earlier episodes of Super are the reason why I prefer it when new DB media come out every few years as opposed to annually, not only giving them more time to brainstorm ideas and finetuning these new media but also because the people working on DB don't have to go through that crunch and can take their time if necessary. It's why I'm kind of apprehensive over the idea of DB returning back to annual releases in the future, both in concerns to the quality of new media but also the people working with DB
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The animation for the trailer was fire tbh
Also, it will probably have a similar animation to DBS Broly
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That would be good
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I'm not worried about the animation thing. These DBS errors happened 9 years ago and it was only at the beginning of DBS.
Then what did we have? This here.
People love putting up these stills from the beginning of DBS to talk about how bad the whole thing was. But no one talks much about how everything has improved over the years.
TOEI itself improved, improving One Piece, improving Dragon Quest, etc.
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I want to make it perfectly clear that I'm not judging DBS' animation as a whole from those stilts of earlier episodes, I would be completely unfair to acknowledge that the animation did improve substantially and by the ToP ended it was absolutely godlike. What I'm trying to say, however, is that those early episodes turned out the way they did because of crunch on the animators and it showed in the final production that they weren't given enough time.
Obviously digital animation has immensely advanced over the last couple years and that may no longer happen in the future for DB, but I'd rather see the animators be given 2-3 years to whip up something special as opposed to every year you know? I don't want them to go through crunch to get out more DB content
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I will always stand by that goku moved into the future with hit
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