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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

I think after some DB threads get concluded, I'll make a thread trying to approve power levels

Many arguments stem from "Cui and Vegeta have a small gap in PL yet Vegeta can easily defeat him???" even tho there are fights even without using PLs and just normal calculations can be said the same, and "Well characters like beginning of Z Goku would be Large Planet level downscaling from Frieza's feat which is highly inconsistent and isn't backed up by feats" even tho characters can still downscale via using PLs as non linear the same way, for example:

Kaio-ken x10 (Kaio-ken is accepted as increasing PLs linearly) Namek Saga Goku has a PL of 900,000 which is above First Form Frieza's PL of 530,000, who destroyed Planet Vegeta - 203.785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Namek Saga Base Goku - 20.3785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Saiyan Saga Base Goku is 10x less the strength of his Namek Saga self - 2.03785214866 Ronnatons (Large Planet level)
Beginning of Z Goku is more than 1/20th the strength of his Saiyan Saga self - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
Piccolo Jr Saga Goku (unweighted) should be comparable to his Beginning of Z self, albeit is weaker, as his Kamehameha can be raised into a Battle Power of 910, which is greater than Beginning of Z Goku's base of 416, and Piccolo Jr can tank it - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
King Piccolo Saga Goku is more than half the strength of his Piccolo Jr Saga self, King Piccolo is also equal to him - 50.9463037165 Yottatons (Large Planet level)

So you can very easily even get King Piccolo Saga characters up to Large Planet level even by using PLs non-linearly, this is an issue that isn't even about using PLs linearly but just downscaling via multipliers in general, this is an issue that can be discussed another time
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I think after some DB threads get concluded, I'll make a thread trying to approve power levels

Many arguments stem from "Cui and Vegeta have a small gap in PL yet Vegeta can easily defeat him???" even tho there are fights even without using PLs and just normal calculations can be said the same, and "Well characters like beginning of Z Goku would be Large Planet level downscaling from Frieza's feat which is highly inconsistent and isn't backed up by feats" even tho characters can still downscale via using PLs as non linear the same way, for example:

Kaio-ken x10 (Kaio-ken is accepted as increasing PLs linearly) Namek Saga Goku has a PL of 900,000 which is above First Form Frieza's PL of 530,000, who destroyed Planet Vegeta - 203.785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Namek Saga Base Goku - 20.3785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Saiyan Saga Base Goku is 10x less the strength of his Namek Saga self - 2.03785214866 Ronnatons (Large Planet level)
Beginning of Z Goku is more than 1/20th the strength of his Saiyan Saga self - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
Piccolo Jr Saga Goku (unweighted) should be comparable to his Beginning of Z self, albeit is weaker, as his Kamehameha can be raised into a Battle Power of 910, which is greater than Beginning of Z Goku's base of 416, and Piccolo Jr can tank it - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
King Piccolo Saga Goku is more than half the strength of his Piccolo Jr Saga self, King Piccolo is also equal to him - 50.9463037165 Yottatons (Large Planet level)

So you can very easily even get King Piccolo Saga characters up to Large Planet level even by using PLs non-linearly, this is an issue that isn't even about using PLs linearly but just downscaling via multipliers in general, this is an issue that can be discussed another time
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Yeah, I disagree heavily with large planet level king piccolo Saga characters
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I think after some DB threads get concluded, I'll make a thread trying to approve power levels

Many arguments stem from "Cui and Vegeta have a small gap in PL yet Vegeta can easily defeat him???" even tho there are fights even without using PLs and just normal calculations can be said the same, and "Well characters like beginning of Z Goku would be Large Planet level downscaling from Frieza's feat which is highly inconsistent and isn't backed up by feats" even tho characters can still downscale via using PLs as non linear the same way, for example:

Kaio-ken x10 (Kaio-ken is accepted as increasing PLs linearly) Namek Saga Goku has a PL of 900,000 which is above First Form Frieza's PL of 530,000, who destroyed Planet Vegeta - 203.785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Namek Saga Base Goku - 20.3785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Saiyan Saga Base Goku is 10x less the strength of his Namek Saga self - 2.03785214866 Ronnatons (Large Planet level)
Beginning of Z Goku is more than 1/20th the strength of his Saiyan Saga self - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
Piccolo Jr Saga Goku (unweighted) should be comparable to his Beginning of Z self, albeit is weaker, as his Kamehameha can be raised into a Battle Power of 910, which is greater than Beginning of Z Goku's base of 416, and Piccolo Jr can tank it - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
King Piccolo Saga Goku is more than half the strength of his Piccolo Jr Saga self, King Piccolo is also equal to him - 50.9463037165 Yottatons (Large Planet level)

So you can very easily even get King Piccolo Saga characters up to Large Planet level even by using PLs non-linearly, this is an issue that isn't even about using PLs linearly but just downscaling via multipliers in general, this is an issue that can be discussed another time
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Spinoirr said:
Yeah, I disagree heavily with large planet level king piccolo Saga characters
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Any character before Saiyan Saga being planet level is contradicted by the "you need 10.000 of power to destroy a planet" thing
 
Ednaxel2 said:
I think after some DB threads get concluded, I'll make a thread trying to approve power levels

Many arguments stem from "Cui and Vegeta have a small gap in PL yet Vegeta can easily defeat him???" even tho there are fights even without using PLs and just normal calculations can be said the same, and "Well characters like beginning of Z Goku would be Large Planet level downscaling from Frieza's feat which is highly inconsistent and isn't backed up by feats" even tho characters can still downscale via using PLs as non linear the same way, for example:

Kaio-ken x10 (Kaio-ken is accepted as increasing PLs linearly) Namek Saga Goku has a PL of 900,000 which is above First Form Frieza's PL of 530,000, who destroyed Planet Vegeta - 203.785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Namek Saga Base Goku - 20.3785214866 Ronnatons (Dwarf Star level)
Saiyan Saga Base Goku is 10x less the strength of his Namek Saga self - 2.03785214866 Ronnatons (Large Planet level)
Beginning of Z Goku is more than 1/20th the strength of his Saiyan Saga self - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
Piccolo Jr Saga Goku (unweighted) should be comparable to his Beginning of Z self, albeit is weaker, as his Kamehameha can be raised into a Battle Power of 910, which is greater than Beginning of Z Goku's base of 416, and Piccolo Jr can tank it - 101.892607433 Yottatons (Large Planet level)
King Piccolo Saga Goku is more than half the strength of his Piccolo Jr Saga self, King Piccolo is also equal to him - 50.9463037165 Yottatons (Large Planet level)

So you can very easily even get King Piccolo Saga characters up to Large Planet level even by using PLs non-linearly, this is an issue that isn't even about using PLs linearly but just downscaling via multipliers in general, this is an issue that can be discussed another time
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i mean with Kaioken even 6x would enough to surpass first form freeza, so it would be a little higher than that
 
Spinoirr said:
Yeah, I disagree heavily with large planet level king piccolo Saga characters
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I'm not trying to argue for that, I'm saying the downscale from Frieza to King Piccolo Saga characters can still happen even without using PLs as linear, thus using that as evidence against PLs is insufficient and is it's own issue
omegabronic said:
i mean with Kaioken even 6x would enough to surpass first form freeza, so it would be a little higher than that
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This too
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Tbh, PLs can sometimes be used as linear, but this only works with the same character
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Exactly. And if it's stronger, like, we know that if someone does a planetary feat with 10k PL, someone with 20k PL can do the same. But downscaling? There will be a lot of inconsistency if we try to be linear. I think even the farmer would end up superhuman.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Exactly. And if it's stronger, like, we know that if someone does a planetary feat with 10k PL, someone with 20k PL can do the same. But downscaling? There will be a lot of inconsistency if we try to be linear. I think even the farmer would end up superhuman.
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He would, yes. To blow up the moon you simply need to be in the 180-400 range. The farmer is at 5. The Farmer would be like, massively superhuman, under this logic.
 
Guys you all need new content. You about to have brainrot. Daima coming will be salvation for your souls, because at this point you all writing a thesis on DB scaling.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Exactly. And if it's stronger, like, we know that if someone does a planetary feat with 10k PL, someone with 20k PL can do the same. But downscaling? There will be a lot of inconsistency if we try to be linear. I think even the farmer would end up superhuman.
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RedReaper said:
He would, yes. To blow up the moon you simply need to be in the 180-400 range. The farmer is at 5. The Farmer would be like, massively superhuman, under this logic.
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Roshi had a bit more than 100 of PL and could destroy the moon, so a character that has 1 of PL can destroy 1% of the moon? Yeah, that doesn´t make sense
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Any character before Saiyan Saga being planet level is contradicted by the "you need 10.000 of power to destroy a planet" thing
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Is there any actual scan which says that? The only one I've seen is the one from El Manga Escenario, which doesn't say you need 10K to destroy a planet, but uses 10K being planet buster (basically Vegeta feat) as comparison to 1M. Iirc it was something like "If 10K can destroy a planet, imagine what 1M can do"
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Is there any actual scan which says that? The only one I've seen is the one from El Manga Escenario, which doesn't say you need 10K to destroy a planet, but uses 10K being planet buster (basically Vegeta feat) as comparison to 1M. Iirc it was something like "If 10K can destroy a planet, imagine what 1M can do"
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If you needed less than it to destroy a planet the EML would say that number, but it specifically says "If with 10.000 of power you can destroy a planet(...)"
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Doesn´t matter how bad people say that Daima will be, i will still believe that Toriyama is cooking something good
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Daima definitely won't be bad. It's going to be really good. The reason some people act all pissy over Daima is because they wanted a Z-style plot or DBS 2 and instead got Dragon Ball Babies.

I have heard rumors that Daima might have some brutal fights though. So the Z-crowd might end up pleasantly surprised.
 
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