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The contention is like two WoG statements that aren't even corroborated by anything in-universe
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Is there any in universe statements confirming it’s superior?
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Vague statements about scaling above Beerus, which afaik mean **** all when SSB Gogeta, Broly all surpass him as well meaning you can’t even argue for more than marginal differences in power, let alone full 12s of times multipliers
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“Vague statements”
Gotchu, so not confirmed. Weird that they use that.
Yup.
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Decilion.
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That's just the multipliers. Apply the recalced BoG speed feat and we'll be getting unga bunga levels of speedUpdated
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Also wrong, Base post BoG never became 100x SSG, his power dipped below his previous peak as a SSG by detransforming to SS1 and only rose above SSG with his last kamehameha, meaning that there are no full 50x multipliers there, at most he got 4x stronger as his last Kamehameha exceeded the original super condensed energy ball.
Black being scaled to SSB off one kick is wank, Vegeta caught his first hit as a SSB despite him going Rose means Vegeta didn’t start off at full power vs base black making it unreliable, far more reasonable to go with 500x via base black matching SS2 Goku for a good 5 minutes vs a one off showing that creates narrative dispute with Goku thinking he has much of a chance against someone a full SSB amp over him
SSB Goku and Vegeta have 0 scaling feats to Sword of plot trunks, and SSB post black arc outscaling Vegito SSB nukes UIO multiplier, it’d be 250,000x SSB instead if they stay around 50x with SSG Gokus showings vs Dyspo with a more conservative scale.
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They make it clear he didn't get weaker. In fact, considering the whole point was for his body to learn from the power of SSG and becoming a divine Saiyan in his base, he actually got stronger by becoming a Super Saiyan
In his base form he one-shotted the final Super Dense Energy Ball at its peak after getting a random boost. Said Super Dense Energy Ball was the combined, equal power of God's Crimson Radiance SS Goku and Beerus
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apply my calc to it, my thread is almost finished, will make a thread to apply the other multipliers after that oneUpdated
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He shrugged off his barrage and left him reeling with a single kick. That's not wank, blud. That's just being stronger than a guy
And then Goku Black promptly mortally wounded him before going on to take down SSB Goku. Also why would it just be Vegeta holding back when clearly Black was starting off like that too?
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You do realize Goku Black got stronger after his first fight with Goku, right?
Blud I specified Pre-Sword of Hope Trunks
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Crimson radiance SS1 isn’t 50x SSG, he actually starts off lower than SSG but later surpasses by unknown amount.
scaling is SSG + Beerus = 2x
Beerus states he won’t be able to easily nullify Gokus Crimson radiance KHH = >>2x
Base Goku vs 2nd condensed energy ball >>4x
Goku black is stronger, doesn’t mean he is SSB level strong in base, it makes 0 sense they’d jump back to the future right away when an opponent has a full SSB amp over them it’s a 250,000x times difference that prompted them both to fuse right off the bat vs Broly.
Makes no difference, Gokus and Vegetas individual feats vs Zamasu aren’t comparable to Trunks after vegito defuses and they’re never shown to be close to each other in power, again Vegito being rendered useless by ToP SSB nukes UIO multiplier and post UI2 SSB scaling where it’s now marginally > SSBKK20 when previously it would be 12,500x stronger than it, at most 32,500x since Vegito SSB doesn’t outscale a single GoD.
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HE STRAIGHT UP SAYS HE DOESN'T FEEL ANY WEAKER
Said he, right after demonstrating that he's still very well capable of boxing Beerus
Did you even watch the video completely?
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That's just PIS. It doesn't really debunk how much stronger Black got, which was already demonstrated
That would only be AFTER they recovered. Trunks getting that much stronger in a short time doesn't make sense either. But it happened anyway. Saiyan recovery BS. And the whole point of his "arc" by the end of the saga is that he's got the strength of his father and Goku and he'll continue training so new threats won't be able to ruin the his future world. Also, his final interaction with Vegeta. There's no reason for him to be 25 million times stronger than the Saiyans
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Lmao these are arguments that have been debunked many times
SSJ God power absorbed is stronger than SSJG his power never takes a dip and he becomes stronger than this SSJ version in base
Goku Black gets stronger after fighting Goku and it’s more than “one kick” so there isn’t a narrative dispute it actually supports the narrative
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you guys know that the current multiplier chain does not use the goku black part being currently talked here right?
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Did you?
Beerus starts taking his fight casually, it’s only after Goku grows faster lands a hit that the statement is made, and I don’t feel any weaker = he is still SSG, not I’m 50x stronger than before.
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headcanon, none of this is accepted scaling o. The profiles.
Goku drops to base and surpasses his SS1 doesn’t mean he is 50x times stronger, but keep on wanking because you all only want big numbers and don’t care for whether it remains consistent with what’s actually shown.
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I mean, the title straight up says Goku surpassed Super Saiyan God, as does Vegeta later on, so...
And considering it was the transition from the transformation to being a god-like Saiyan, yeah it stands that he got that much stronger
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I noticed. It also doesn't account for the Super Dense Energy Ball shenanigans. You should really get that checked out
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Doesn’t black straight up blitz Vegeta and lift his chin up with two fingers
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We don’t give 50x amps to every character who surpasses another.
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It is accepted you’re saying headcanon all I’m saying that
SSJG Goku<SSJ Goku (God Power absorbed)<Base Goku (Who punched 2nd CEB)
you said that Ssj goku was weaker than ssjg but that’s wrong
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you know why we have "conservative" in the title of the multiplier scaling blog by ssjryu1? also......why would i be the one to do that instead of the guy who made the blog in the first place?
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i mean, beerus did dodge most of his attacks easily upon him detransforming from ssjg
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The conservative part comes from accepted multipliers. Goku Black being strong enough to effortlessly outclass Super Saiyan Blue and then enter his own divine transformation of the same caliber would only be using accepted multipliers
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when that blog was being made, that was not accepted a reliable multiplier stack, we purely use the multiplier themselves and 1 little 10x multiplier from goku vs hit, you want to see what happened when people tried to apply the other instances like the goku black situation?
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Yes I'd like to see that because no one has applied it yet lol
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When someone gonna make the thread to make the Dragon Ball universe Infinite again?
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I said he is initially weaker than SSG and , surpasssed that level later with his last SS1 Kamehameha; the very same scene where Goku de powers to SS1 Beerus starts taking the fight casually dodging Gokus attacks and grieving over losing a rival, it’s only after Goku visually grows faster lands a hit and states he doesn’t feel any different than before that SS1Goku is back at his previous peak as a SSG.
If Goku got 50x stronger than his SSG this scene wouldn’t have gone down like that.
At the end Goku punches out the SCEB in base showing superiority to his SS1 peak, but none of this requires a 50x multiplier.
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when someone change the standards to make infinite universes to be able to have a border
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That was because SSR being 50x wasn't accepted at the time (as said by AKM in the thread), and that was 2 years ago. You can very well give it another try
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not really? still didn't made base black 50x base vegeta
and what exactly changed? the multipliers simply got bigger, the logic still is the same, there is no further evidence, i can certainly try sure, i certainly will, i simply don't believe that this will be accepted, you know, talk to me on my wall about this, i think we can reach an compromise
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you are late to the party my dude
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Who here said anything about Base Black being 50 times Base Vegeta? The only scaling here (that's already accepted, mind you) is Post-Goku Fight Base Black outclassing Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta
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It’s accepted but not really because the scaling blogs don’t have SSR a full SSB amp above Vegeta, world of difference if you try to propose that to admins.
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