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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Weren't both of those cuz of power tho?

Altho........point still stands i guess lol
Nah, neither of those instances are about power rather than technique. Like flat out. Go read the first chapters of the DBS Manga and see Goku pulling some whirly bird ass martial arts move on Cell that has that man tweaking. Not saying power is irrelevant, but imo that fight was clearly framed as Goku just outfighting Cell rather easily.
 


did this man cook?


This video aint good at all. 90% are trash but there are some decent videos. Its not their fault, since most break down videos in real combat spors are just as bad. There are only a few good guys, and from the few good guys only a handful can make a living of it.


I disagree, but I think it's because his martial arts skills are reliant on statements and less on in battle choreography or style changing, mostly because Goku fights enemies who are either just as skilled (Roshi, Grandpa Gohan, Piccolo Jr., Vegeta, Cell, Black), or people so strong they can't ever be beaten by raw skill (Frieza, Vegeta, Buu, Jiren, Moro), and as such he doesn't seem as skilled as he actually IS. Kind of like lore scaling for video games. Visually it's punch very fast or flashy attacks, but contextually he's actually like, Batman-Lite in a world where being Batman-Lite isn't that impressive.

Then you have no idea what you are watching, which isnt your fault since even in the striking/grappling section - most of them are just noobs.

Even throwing away statements like what he did against Caulifa and Kale, which means he fully understands what distance is and how to use it, he displayed martial art skills. Against Broly, he showed what kuzushi really means. Against Vegeta, he counter rolled into a sweet kick to nullify Vegetas attempt of an armbar. You can see how Goku sets up a trap for the explosive big right hand against Vegeta in their first fight. Him throwing straight punches which is the best weapon when it comes down to not losing the generated power or throwing jabs and not flashy hooks is a good sign, since jabs are the best weapons in combat sports and so good for setting up multipel things, doesnt mean hes a bad martial artist. He throws all kind of punches from the weirdest angles, but Goku gets laughed cuz of the straights and jabs which is just laughable.

Again: If you guys cant see even the basics of the basics, WATCH IT IN SLOW MOTION. Dragonball fights, just sticking to visuals, ARE ******* GOOD. You are confusing actual martial art skills with more spectacular and effective martial arts aka flashy things and hax.

If you still cant see it, watch some break down videos. Most of them are shit, but there are some okaish videos. Ive told a comic martial art nerd in my discord to watch Dragonball fights in slow motion, and even he realized that DBs fights are "peak"

Ignoring visuals and just sticking to the narrative: Goku is a ******* god traditional wise, great one under fictional rule set. With good supporting visuals. Asking for more or perfect one is just as brain dead as Multiversal Naruto.
 
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ok, why does Goku, who isn't a born god, can erase all his Normal Ki, while natural born gods, like Kai's, don't when one is "more of a god" than Goku? like, i still want to know where you got that "they still have some normal Ki blended in cuz they are not as developted" stuff you said earlier.........i never heard of such a thing
Well for one thing they are not naturally born gods. As daima has showed us they are naturally born Majin and take on the role of a god, there Godhood is a job like every other godly position in the series, as far as we know the only creatures born divine are the angles (who occourding to the DBS manga happen to have ki harder to sense then god ki)

It is literally the only way for the events in the series to make sense, much like the concept of ki control.
 
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The worst thing you could say about Goku is him not switching stances in a proper way with a lot of movement which is just a no brainer ... as long as it works ... it works. It becomes even more non senical with KI-control.

He already fights unorthodox so him doing that nonsense which doesnt really grant him any advantage be it hax wise/whatever .... is just dumb, lmao. Oh and Gokus "friendly sparring partner and everything is cool" - character which is the main reason why he falls for some feints but that flaw gets fixed with UI.


As long as your punch hit, technique don't matter, flashy technique create more waste movement. Iirc Whis in-verse did said something about the need to eliminate waste movement, and when Goki first turn UIS, many claimed his movements are more accurate

About battle cheography, it is depend on animators who animate the fight, there are some fight with detailed martial art movement cheography back in Z, especially the SSJ2 Goku vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta, its majority was animated by Tadayoshi Yamamuro who created the famous "Z artsyle" that people nowadays keep mentioning about to shame on DBS, despite DBS was animated by the same guy and same team lol. Yamamuro background stated he learned martial arts at Shaolin Temple, which he incorporated into his animating style when he became animator. So it is mostly depend on if the animator who in charge of fighting scence have skill to incorporate martial art cheography in or not, like there is a Naruto animator who stated he like Wing Chun so many of his fighting scene in Naruto have characters using Wing Chun move. In DBZ Resurrection of F movie, the starting section of Whis training battle with Goku and Vegeta literally have Whis perform Wing Chun stance and perform Wing Chun move, i fact due to Toei decision of promoting Yamamuro into the film director position, many martial art moves was used in the movie, like the Bruce Lee's one inch punch which SSB Goku used on Golden Frieza

So overall i'm not keen on using purely visual to debate who is skilled in fighting technique or not because it is entirely depend on animators feel like they want to incorporate fighting moves into the scene or not as every anime always have team consist of many animators working on the anime, thus we always have a situation where in a scene a character demonstrate excellent moves then two or three scene later the same character perform amateurish, simplistic movements due to a different animator took over and is in charge of that specific scene

10/10

And yeah, I ******* loved that Bruce Lee move. Lol!

Sticking just to visuals doesnt tell the fully story.
 
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Martial arts are entirely centered around the capabilities of the human body. When those capabilities change, so does a lot of the fundamentals of martial arts and their styles.
 


Gravy showing up and immediately erasing GT from existence with a single hammer swing might be my favorite SDBH feat. Surprised it's not mentioned on either the Tiering Explanation or Gravy's Page. I thought this was the GT Gogeta venerating chapter but he got one-shot offscreen.

In context, Gravy's attack only destroyed part of the city they were in. There's a panel of Gravy following the attack and you can see multiple buildings behind him, so it didn't destroy the timeline.
 
Well for one thing they are not naturally born gods. As daima has showed us they are naturally born Majin and take on the role of a god, there Godhood is a job like every other godly position in the series
assuming Daima is 100% canon to DBS.........why was Zamasu so "triggered" about a mortal reaching the level of a god.........if Zamasu himself would be as much of a "mortal" in the begining as well?

huh, guess another "oversight" from Daima


It is literally the only way for the events in the series to make sense,
i mean.........could be just a retcon

much like the concept of ki control.
Ki control? oh you mean the "the Earth doesn't blow up with their attacks" stuff right? nah, that ain't a DB thing, literally all fiction does it, hence why Superman can fight on metropolis at full power without blowing it up and stuff
 
assuming Daima is 100% canon to DBS.........why was Zamasu so "triggered" about a mortal reaching the level of a god.........if Zamasu himself would be as much of a "mortal" in the begining as well?
I don't see the issue. It's not like he's mad about GoDs being mortals first, it's not inconsistent at all, it can only be inconsistent if you say he's stupid and dosen't know how a GoD works
 
assuming Daima is 100% canon to DBS.........why was Zamasu so "triggered" about a mortal reaching the level of a god.........if Zamasu himself would be as much of a "mortal" in the begining as well?

huh, guess another "oversight" from Daima
Nah all gods in dragon ball are gods via Titles and circumstances only

Like GoD's used to be mortals, Kami became Guardian of earth despite originally being a mortal, Kai's have always come from trees too its just we know more now

Zamasu was a hypocrite, that's the point
 
Nah all gods in dragon ball are gods via Titles and circumstances only

Like GoD's used to be mortals, Kami became Guardian of earth despite originally being a mortal, Kai's have always come from trees too its just we know more now

Zamasu was a hypocrite, that's the point
oh........OH YEAH, man, this means Zamasu is just and imbecile eh?


godamn.......dunno if that makes me like his character more or less........
 
In context, Gravy's attack only destroyed part of the city they were in. There's a panel of Gravy following the attack and you can see multiple buildings behind him, so it didn't destroy the timeline.


I interpreted that pose as a recoil from the attack. The characters fled the scene with some crazy time magic wormhole so I assumed that they left at an immeasurable speed where the explosion just hasn't reached the other buildings yet. The explosion did seem to be spreading as Goten thought they were dead despite being outside of the epicenter. Gravy using multiple city-size attacks to destroy the timeline seems odd, especially since the scene was about how the characters had to leave immediately. The point of Gravy's attack was also to "crush them." After they left he has no reason or benefit to motivate him to destroy the timeline further. The time patrollers also knew that the history was erased (they had to be pretty confident about that probably to tell a little girl her world was obliterated) and I don't know why they would assume that unless the first or possible follow-up strike destroyed the history.
 
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Man the verse page needs a big rework cause it seems like a mess same could be said for the entire verse/most pages in general

Maybe split it off into 3 sub headings, Orginal Manga/Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super: Manga and Dragon Ball Super: Anime?
 
Man the verse page needs a big rework cause it seems like a mess same could be said for the entire verse/most pages in general

Maybe split it off into 3 sub headings, Orginal Manga/Dragon Ball & Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball Super: Manga and Dragon Ball Super: Anime?
Since DBS Anime is now another, non connected continuity, to the manga, it should be its own Verse page much like the Toei anime
 
Since DBS Anime is now another, non connected continuity, to the manga, it should be its own Verse page much like the Toei anime
No there both the main timelines the franchise is advancing there fine as they are. ~~besides super being connected to Kia just being wrong anyway~~
 
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