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I mean, someone must scale to being able to move the super dragon balls
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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I'm also trying to find where the class Y is coming from for the angles but I can't find it
Has anyone tried to apply asserted multipliers to base goku's T class lifting strength?
Because I think there's enough multiplication in there to get SSBKKX20 and above to class P
Has anyone tried to apply asserted multipliers to base goku's T class lifting strength?
Because I think there's enough multiplication in there to get SSBKKX20 and above to class P
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While it may seem intuitive, since Multipliers DO enhance Goku’s Lifting Strength, do NOT apply them to any calcs/feats (beyond “higher with forms”), because it creates massive inconsistencies with the source material. (Ex. Goku can casually lift a multi ton car in chapter 1, but it’s an explicit plot point that a hundred pounds or so was too much to hold and train with. Later Goku could move a multi ton boulder in his training with Roshi, but an explicit plot point in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai 200 pounds or so prevented Goku from operating at full tilt. Etc.)
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I mean just because goku can throw it dosen't mean he can do back flips with it... a normal person would still be heavily effected just from wearing an extra 20 pounds all day, it dosen't have to be hard for goku to lift to take away from his full power..
Not too mention all these examples are from before his forms even existed
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Omg
Dose this mean cabba will scale above gogeta????
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Nah. That feat’s level of power would be reserved for characters who scale above Kai/Buuhan in Kai, which is no one. Then by DBS (BoG) only people who do is SSG Goku and Beerus, who also have their own explicit 2-C Feat.
And we have no way of knowing how much stronger SSG is than Vegito. (The SSG Multiplier we use is born from a hypothetical SSJ3 Vegito as a minimum, actually, from that same reason).
GT only gets where it does because we have a lot more numbers to work with for the gap between the Boo feat and the next “tier” of strength. Whereas there is no quantification in DBS. That said, I’m curious on others’ take on this.
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I do believe Kai has the "Kid Buu is the strongest" statements, though.
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Mm. Previously I argued against those due to SSG’s plot importance into reaching the universal tiers of power, (especially because Goku EXPLICITLY doesn’t know how to FIGHT at the Universal Level without destroying reality yet UNTIL BoG), and the fact Kai is supposed to model the Manga + DBS was written with the manga in mind according to Toriyama, which has Kid Buu has weaker than Buuhan, unlike the Toei Anime. Which I stand by.
However, I won’t deny those statements exist if they do, because DBKai is just a re-dubbed and re-cut version of that original Toei Anime, and it really wouldn’t be surprising if they kept them. So really I guess it’s a matter of if those statements overturn narrative intent, the inconsistencies later, the whole point of SSG, etc. for you.
However, I won’t deny those statements exist if they do, because DBKai is just a re-dubbed and re-cut version of that original Toei Anime, and it really wouldn’t be surprising if they kept them. So really I guess it’s a matter of if those statements overturn narrative intent, the inconsistencies later, the whole point of SSG, etc. for you.
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Idk where else to put this but.... how about that Sparking Zero? 
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Sparking Zero is genuinely the most enjoyable game I've played since my first Elden Ring playthrough.
These what-if scenarios are SICK though they don't change as much of the story as I'd have hoped.
These what-if scenarios are SICK though they don't change as much of the story as I'd have hoped.
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I mean...forgivable, since you can now MAKE AS MANY WHAT IFS AS YOU CAN IMAGINE
.....sick move....just, briliant sick move
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Bro, everything is so fast-paced I'm at like 99% of my max reaction speed at all times
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All the Sparking Zero Renders isolated from their backgrounds. If anyone wants to use them.
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Also, it's unfortunate that the Extinction Bomb was introduced/only canon to the Manga and Super, since the Galactic Patrol is also canon to Toei. (Nutz, Turles' henchmen, explicitly was broken out of one of their facilities according to the Toei informational Pamphlet, which gets referenced in XV2 with an interaction between Turles and Jaco.)
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This can go to almost every DB profile, this is great
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Wym?
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Alright, i found an inconsistency with the Cell Saga concerning time travel.
This is the chain of events occurred during the Cell Saga:
As you can see, there are a total of four timelines:
• T1 (the original, where Cell came from)
• T2 (never seen in the manga, but it does exist)
• T3 (where the main storyline takes place)
• T4 (where "Trunks" kills "Cell")
The problem begins when T4 is created. Shouldn't "Trunks" find another variant of himself living there? T4 was an identical copy of T1 right until the moment "Trunks" arrived there (at which point both timelines branched off)
This is the chain of events occurred during the Cell Saga:
As you can see, there are a total of four timelines:
• T1 (the original, where Cell came from)
• T2 (never seen in the manga, but it does exist)
• T3 (where the main storyline takes place)
• T4 (where "Trunks" kills "Cell")
The problem begins when T4 is created. Shouldn't "Trunks" find another variant of himself living there? T4 was an identical copy of T1 right until the moment "Trunks" arrived there (at which point both timelines branched off)
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It's said going through time made a connection between his time and that time, it's also why Trunks shows up late and missed android 19 and 20, he had to actual spend the several years in his timeline before coming back to help, Trunks did not return to timeline 4, he returned to timeline 2
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Vegito aside, this depends on if the Kid Buu > Buuhan scaling of Toei makes it to Kai as well. That would make SSJ3 (and SSJ2?) Goku in DBS already 2-C at the beginning of BOG.
Personally not a fan, but apparently Kai has evidence for it.
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So far it's been mostly scaling stuff that would be entertaining on character pages made for fun.
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I mean in the episode mode. Like the actual campaign story mode has what-ifs. Only one I've gotten so far is where Piccolo intervenes during 19 Vs. Goku, which significantly changes the timeline, leading to a scenario where Piccolo trains with Gohan in the time chamber and is ultimately strong enough to somewhat contend with Perfect Cell and even hold back Super Perfect Cell while Gohan heals, in addition to nerfing Gohan during the Cell fight due to him not having a rage boost because you, as Piccolo, can have Gohan train his mind to become calmer.
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Goku has two:
- Fight and defeat Raditz alone within 90 seconds; Goku survives and trains with the Z-Fighters but dies against Vegeta, then he trains with King Kai and is revived, then Frieza and the Ginyu Force invade Earth, and Goku and Vegeta team up to fight him.
- Fight Raditz with Piccolo within 90 seconds; Goku survives but is defeated by Nappa, receives a Zenkai Boost after eating a Senzu Bean, then becomes a Super Saiyan against Great Ape Vegeta after Krillin dies, then he goes to Namek and ends up fighting Super Saiyan Vegeta after he kills Frieza off-screen.
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Hey, are you good?
Vizer04
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This doesn't change the fact that Trunks created a new timeline after leaving the present. And that new timeline would already have it's own Trunks.
Timeline 2 is not the future, it's an unseen timeline nearly identical to the third one (where DBS happens)
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But does Shin knows about Frieza’s 100% max power? also I could had sworn that they said no SSJ forms cause that would have them stand out and they don’t want spotlight
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Oh, it's just I hadn't seen you post anything here since the first, which was a little over a week ago. I was just making sure you're doing alright.
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Probably. He'd sorta still end up being significantly stronger than 100% Frieza due to being "far superior to the Super Namekian Piccolo."
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That aside it dosen't change the fact Trunks time traveling back home dosen't make new timelines, he was in fact going home the very same world which he left.
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Future Trunks doesn't have a home timeline, he popped from thin air into Timeline 3 because he's a copy of Timeline 1 Trunks, who popped into Timeline 2. And just like Timeline 1 Trunks he tried to return to Timeline 1, but instead he created another timeline where he knows Cell will try to steal his Time Machine.
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Aa far as I'm aware your just wrong if trunks had just popped in from thin air he wouldn't have been able to return to his future, the express reason he was able to do that is because the act of going back to the past made a connection between the 2 worlds. He has to have a timeline he came from.
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The only rational way to look at this is that Cell going back also created an alternate version of the future timeline to allow Trunks to have a home to return too.
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Interestingly, in the Battle of Gods guide that goes over "all the information you need to understand the movie," which has a Toriyama's direct involvement, quote...
Original work/story/character design Akira Toriyama dragon ball legend
The first new movie in about 17 years, “Dragon Ball Z: God and God”! Introducing the story. You can enjoy the movie even more by reading this book, which includes a variety of content such as Toriyama's rough illustrations and explanations of the "Dragon Ball" world!!
...has filler events from the Z-Anime, notably mostly Toriyama sourced content like the Kai Hierarchy, Pikkon, and most notably, the Bardock considered Goku's father. Toei's.
This is interesting, because Dragon Ball Minus and it's retcon happened in April 2014, whereas this Guide was released in conjunction with the Battle of Gods film in March 2013.
"Thorough special feature just before release
Story & Character Explanation
Rough drawings drawn by Akira Toriyama for the movie version released
If you read it, you'll enjoy the movie even more! Basic knowledge of "Dragon Ball"
Masako Nozawa exclusive interview
Akira Toriyama special interview
March 30th Super expanded release nationwide."
This implies Toei Bardock was considered canon in relevance to the manga (as Toriyama went on record to say he made the film with the manga in mind) until he literally changed his mind within that year whilst coming up with Jaco the Patrolman. So it wasn't even something Toriyama had in mind when he worked on Battle of Gods, which is interesting to me. Also it implies that some of the filler events are in fact manga canon events, which we already kind of know, but it's interesting to see in "real time" how Toriyama considered how much of the Anime's content was in the Manga.
Original work/story/character design Akira Toriyama dragon ball legend
The first new movie in about 17 years, “Dragon Ball Z: God and God”! Introducing the story. You can enjoy the movie even more by reading this book, which includes a variety of content such as Toriyama's rough illustrations and explanations of the "Dragon Ball" world!!
...has filler events from the Z-Anime, notably mostly Toriyama sourced content like the Kai Hierarchy, Pikkon, and most notably, the Bardock considered Goku's father. Toei's.
This is interesting, because Dragon Ball Minus and it's retcon happened in April 2014, whereas this Guide was released in conjunction with the Battle of Gods film in March 2013.
"Thorough special feature just before release
Story & Character Explanation
Rough drawings drawn by Akira Toriyama for the movie version released
If you read it, you'll enjoy the movie even more! Basic knowledge of "Dragon Ball"
Masako Nozawa exclusive interview
Akira Toriyama special interview
March 30th Super expanded release nationwide."
This implies Toei Bardock was considered canon in relevance to the manga (as Toriyama went on record to say he made the film with the manga in mind) until he literally changed his mind within that year whilst coming up with Jaco the Patrolman. So it wasn't even something Toriyama had in mind when he worked on Battle of Gods, which is interesting to me. Also it implies that some of the filler events are in fact manga canon events, which we already kind of know, but it's interesting to see in "real time" how Toriyama considered how much of the Anime's content was in the Manga.
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Everyone changes their mind, nothing stays the same.Interestingly, in the Battle of Gods guide that goes over "all the information you need to understand the movie," which has a Toriyama's direct involvement, quote...
Original work/story/character design Akira Toriyama dragon ball legend
The first new movie in about 17 years, “Dragon Ball Z: God and God”! Introducing the story. You can enjoy the movie even more by reading this book, which includes a variety of content such as Toriyama's rough illustrations and explanations of the "Dragon Ball" world!!
...has filler events from the Z-Anime, notably mostly Toriyama sourced content like the Kai Hierarchy, Pikkon, and most notably, the Bardock considered Goku's father. Toei's.
This is interesting, because Dragon Ball Minus and it's retcon happened in April 2014, whereas this Guide was released in conjunction with the Battle of Gods film in March 2013.
"Thorough special feature just before release
Story & Character Explanation
Rough drawings drawn by Akira Toriyama for the movie version released
If you read it, you'll enjoy the movie even more! Basic knowledge of "Dragon Ball"
Masako Nozawa exclusive interview
Akira Toriyama special interview
March 30th Super expanded release nationwide."
This implies Toei Bardock was considered canon in relevance to the manga (as Toriyama went on record to say he made the film with the manga in mind) until he literally changed his mind within that year whilst coming up with Jaco the Patrolman. So it wasn't even something Toriyama had in mind when he worked on Battle of Gods, which is interesting to me. Also it implies that some of the filler events are in fact manga canon events, which we already kind of know, but it's interesting to see in "real time" how Toriyama considered how much of the Anime's content was in the Manga.
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Tbh I legit think the current official canon just has the bardock special and minus co existing hence both being referenced in the movie.
I understand this dosen't make sense but I'm sure it's the offical thing
I understand this dosen't make sense but I'm sure it's the offical thing
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