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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

I mean can a Universe be Infinite and still just have a finite amount of Stars in it? (Like this is getting into definition of what we count as an infinite Universe here on this wiki, only the admins can decide that concretely)
 
Huesito88 said:
I mean can a Universe be Infinite and still just have a finite amount of Stars in it? (Like this is getting into definition of what we count as an infinite Universe here on this wiki, only the admins can decide that concretely)
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they are saying that for the universe to truly be infinite there would have to be infinite stars, not a finite number of stars
 
well, the general assumption is yes there must be infinite stars, but its not always the case

for DB, its no where stated to have finite stars? this is talking about the galaxy
 
UnoRebaixadO said:
Who's going to make the next infinite universe RCT, that TheGod? I'm curious
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It would be me, but I’m upset that Luffy made the thread in the first place. I literally had a general idea of what I wanted to do. Although now I’m focusing on talking with Qaw offsite, as I’ve seen the latest messages on the CRT after its closure. To my knowledge the distance between 2 points being infinite but having an edge doesn’t contradict it being mathematically infinite. So I’m quite interested to finding out if there’s a mathematical reason to why it would, since there are uncountable amount of reals between 0 and 1. So far Qaw mentioned something about conceptual and mathematical infinite thought.
 
TheGodOfICE777 said:
It would be me, but I’m upset that Luffy made the thread in the first place. I literally had a general idea of what I wanted to do. Although now I’m focusing on talking with Qaw offsite, as I’ve seen the latest messages on the CRT after its closure. To my knowledge the distance between 2 points being infinite but having an edge doesn’t contradict it being mathematically infinite. So I’m quite interested to finding out if there’s a mathematical reason to why it would, since there are uncountable amount of reals between 0 and 1. So far Qaw mentioned something about conceptual and mathematical infinite thought.
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I understand, I hope you can work out what you want, has a lot of potential to be accepted
 
Spinoirr said:
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Gohan is the frist worker and Goten is the second worker
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Goku Black vs Goku
 
anyone who brings that argument up hasn't been paying attention to the Bigger than 2-A thread. I'm actually kinda curious to see if they maintain the same stance and argue in favour of low 1-C Toei Afterlife. if not, then they're supremely biased and not worth taking seriously in any capacity
 
Ryzen7900X said:
anyone who brings that argument up hasn't been paying attention to the Bigger than 2-A thread. I'm actually kinda curious to see if they maintain the same stance and argue in favour of low 1-C Toei Afterlife. if not, then they're supremely biased and not worth taking seriously in any capacity
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How would we end up with low1c afterlife with this?
 
Sus said:
i mean yeah it doesn't make sense, containing infinite galaxies isn't a higher infinity, hence all high 3A would become low 2C
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he said something on the lines of its in same way an infinite space containing infinite timelines isn't inherently 5-D in a tierable way or whatever. So yea.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
if you use @Iamunanimousinthat's logic, the toei Afterlife has to be uncountably infinitely larger than Heaven, which is infinite in size like the Toei living universe
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Qawsed said you can have a countable infinite set that would contain those spaces without being an uncountable infinite. Which is weird to me since that would have to mean heaven and the afterlife are of the same cardinality, which blatantly isn't true now. Since this site uses CH, low 1-C afterlife has to be a thing now. Can you explain why its not? Or put into words of what qaw meant?
 
TiltedFN said:
Qawsed said you can have a countable infinite set that would contain those spaces without being an uncountable infinite. Which is weird to me since that would have to mean heaven and the afterlife are of the same cardinality, which blatantly isn't true now. Since this site uses CH, low 1-C afterlife has to be a thing now. Can you explain why its not? Or put into words of what qaw meant?
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i don't think CH is entirely accepted here tbh, might have to confirm this with @Qawsedf234 . i talked to Hades off-site about it. neither him nor I believe that afterlife should be low 1-C, since aleph-1 doesnt have to be 2^aleph-0, it can simply be an intermediate infinity that is larger than aleph-0 but not uncountably infinitely larger. from what i learned after reading the Bigger than 2-A, it may simply be insignificant 5D (which itself is a stupid concept but whatever)
 
Ryzen7900X said:
i don't think CH is entirely accepted here tbh, might have to confirm this with @Qawsedf234 . i talked to Hades off-site about it. neither him nor I believe that afterlife should be low 1-C, since aleph-1 doesnt have to be 2^aleph-0, it can simply be an intermediate infinity that is larger than aleph-0 but not uncountably infinitely larger. from what i learned after reading the Bigger than 2-A, it may simply be insignificant 5D (which itself is a stupid concept but whatever)
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Yeah hades told me the intermediate infinity also, but ultima has said to us that CH wouldn't be disproved and a lot of the tiers are based on that logic, it's either one of the other, wouldn't make sense to use it in only some cases but not others. I really just don't see how using CH (assuming vsb solely uses it) would not make the afterlife low 1-C, but yes without CH, it would not be. Qaw might know. Might have to read the bigger than 2-A thread again. But tbh, for me, there isn't any other way to tier the afterlife while using CH.
 
TiltedFN said:
Yeah hades told me the intermediate infinity also, but ultima has said to us that CH wouldn't be disproved and a lot of the tiers are based on that logic, it's either one of the other, wouldn't make sense to use it in only some cases but not others. I really just don't see how using CH (assuming vsb solely uses it) would not make the afterlife low 1-C, but yes without CH, it would not be. Qaw might know. Might have to read the bigger than 2-A thread again. But tbh, for me, there isn't any other way to tier the afterlife while using CH.
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tbh CH doesn't need to be "disproven" because it was never proven in the first place, you can just outright dismiss it. and to be honest Ultima is kinda wrong here, most Set theoreticians are looking at entirely different systems of axioms, most of which come with the implications that implicitly falsify CH
 
Ryzen7900X said:
tbh CH doesn't need to be "disproven" because it was never proven in the first place, you can just outright dismiss it. and to be honest Ultima is kinda wrong here, most Set theoreticians are looking at entirely different systems of axioms, most of which come with the implications that implicitly falsify CH
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Right I remember ultima was asked, "What if CH is disproven then what?" and hes like, "It wont be" 💀 .
 
bro i was reading a discussion on some old forum and someone seriously posted a manga panel with obviously edited text to prove goku > gohan in the Buu saga 😭
 
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