Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Ednaxel2]

Manga Grand Priest’s possibly Low 1-C rating was removed for no reason???

Grand Priest (DBS Manga)

The Grand Minister (大神官だいしんかん, Daishinkan?, lit. "Great Priest" or "High Priest"), formally Grand Minister to the Omni-King(s), is an Angel serving as a close adviser and guiding figure to Zeno and Future Zeno. He occasionally enforces the Divine Decrees of the Zenos and welcome guests to their...

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[LuffyRuffy46307]

Didn't Goku, Vegeta and Trunks surive his blasts?

They barely held up against the attack, they don't scale to Infinite Zamasu anyway

Also exist statement that Jiren is stronger than all villians before xD

This is one of those villain hyperboles, so much so that in the most recent film it is said that Jiren had the same scale as Goku and Vegeta, only the way Jiren manipulates ki is more efficient than them

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Manga Grand Priest’s possibly Low 1-C rating was removed for no reason???

Grand Priest (DBS Manga)

The Grand Minister (大神官だいしんかん, Daishinkan?, lit. "Great Priest" or "High Priest"), formally Grand Minister to the Omni-King(s), is an Angel serving as a close adviser and guiding figure to Zeno and Future Zeno. He occasionally enforces the Divine Decrees of the Zenos and welcome guests to their...

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There was a crt and everything, bro

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Manga Grand Priest’s possibly Low 1-C rating was removed for no reason???

Grand Priest (DBS Manga)

The Grand Minister (大神官だいしんかん, Daishinkan?, lit. "Great Priest" or "High Priest"), formally Grand Minister to the Omni-King(s), is an Angel serving as a close adviser and guiding figure to Zeno and Future Zeno. He occasionally enforces the Divine Decrees of the Zenos and welcome guests to their...

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Some doubt on Daishinkan's manga scaling

This is going to be a short post, mostly because I'm making it in response to a short amount of evidence used to scale the Grand Priest to Low 1-C in the manga based on Whis' statement that he's the strongest in the cosmos. The wiki considers this proof that the Grand Priest is above Zeno, but...

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[Fezzih_007]

There was a crt and everything, bro

I mean, the CRT was not to remove the scaling complety, It was just to downgrade to a "Possibly rating".

 

[CelestialVortex01]

I mean, the CRT was not to remove the scaling complety, It was just to downgrade to a "Possibly rating".

Not even a possibly he now has an "Atleast 2-C" rating.

 

[Sus]

I mean, the CRT was not to remove the scaling complety, It was just to downgrade to a "Possibly rating".

everyone seems to think even a possibly is dubious

it was entirely axed

 

[BitestDust]

They barely held up against the attack, they don't scale to Infinite Zamasu anyway

This is one of those villain hyperboles, so much so that in the most recent film it is said that Jiren had the same scale as Goku and Vegeta, only the way Jiren manipulates ki is more efficient than them

Yeah, Ki manipulating... like, MSSJ form that still have 50x multiplier like default SSJ, but much stronger just by "perfect" ki manipulating. Equating Jiren to Vegeta and Goku based on such a factor is the same as comparing the original Super Saiyan to the Mastered Super Saiyan.
The movie actually focuses on the fact that despite having a similar power, Jiren has mastered its basics much more deeply, and because of this, being in a highly contained base state is able to easily resist the Genkidama-charged Ultra Instinct.
Oh, speaking of the Genkidama moment, we were clearly shown the difference in Ki volume between all the fighters in Universe 7 and Goku's SSBKK20x and Jiren alone, who delivered a similar amount of Ki and didn't even get tired. It seems to be more about quality of force than quantity.
I also want to point out that after Goku came out of the MUI state, he was much stronger than 17(Who is capable of facing SSB with the ability to fight against Kaioken's SSB). That being said, Goku was as tired as possible there, but it was already enough to surpass himself in basic form from before the Tournament of Power. Add to all of this the Broly movie, where a similar increase in strength is confirmed when Goku easily opposes Broly in basic form after being defeated by Wedgett's SSG. And then, in the new movie, a timeskip of 3 years is claimed.
In the Tournament of Power, Jiren's superior brute strength is repeatedly talked about, and shown repeatedly. That said, given the indication from the new movie, it was Jiren's perfect Ki control that allowed him to counter MUI Goku, whose movements are literally perfect in this form.
It's likely that in 3 years of training with Broly, they've reached Jiren's level of strength in its raw form, but Vegeta was able to see that his Ki control is perfect.
Saying that Jiren's strength numbers are right on par with the SSBKK20s of the ToP era would be pretty weird to me. And to be honest, I can't believe that Goku and Vegeta couldn't upgrade properly in 3 years. So statement from the new movie doesn't contradict the fact that Jiren is stronger than all the previous villains.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I mean, the CRT was not to remove the scaling complety, It was just to downgrade to a "Possibly rating".

So someone should report this person who removed it

 

[Fezzih_007]

Not even a possibly he now has an "Atleast 2-C" rating.

That's sounds a easy conundrum then, just aks a mod to unlock the page, and add back in.

So someone should report this person who removed it

The person who did It is a admin, so is better just to question him, he maybe made a mistake of some kind.

everyone seems to think even a possibly is dubious

it was entirely axed

So? Regardless of everyone thinks, the Mods agree with the Initial proposition of the OP, with the Possibly rating.

If everyone else thinks the Possibly rating should be ex is not relevant, unless the Mods agree with them, which they din't.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The person who did It is a admin, so is better just to question him, he maybe made a mistake of some kind.

I definitely won't do that, i don't want to take a day off, especially today when i'm happy.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

in the most recent film it is said that Jiren had the same scale as Goku and Vegeta, only the way Jiren manipulates ki is more efficient than them

omigosh
they've never needed super saiyan blue evolution or ultra instinct
they just needed to improve their ki control

 

[Nullflowerblush]

MSSJ form that still have 50x multiplier like default SSJ, but much stronger just by "perfect" ki manipulating

It is literally the same form. Goku just improved his base strength.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I mean, the CRT was not to remove the scaling complety, It was just to downgrade to a "Possibly rating".

Read this

 

[Fezzih_007]

Read this

Ah, that's interessing.
I retake all of my statements then.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

They are fast, they have already reported

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

 

[BitestDust]

It is literally the same form. Goku just improved his base strength.

Like grade 2 and 3 with 50x multiplier but different strength with the same base powerlevel. Grade 2 higher than base SSJ in all stats, grade 3 high in striking strength but not so fast than grade 2.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Read this

Ok this actually covers my concerns thanks

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

I mean, the CRT was not to remove the scaling complety, It was just to downgrade to a "Possibly rating".

Apparently it was decided that because they also didn't mind removing it totally, despite not voting that, what they voted was irrelevant and they could simply remove low1c altogether, there was even a vandalism report when I initially corrected it

 

[Fezzih_007]

Apparently it was decided that because they also didn't removing it totally despite not voting that, what they voted was irrelevant and they could simply remove low1c altogether, there was even a vandalism report when I initially corrected it

Yeah, It seems kinda nonsense.
The Possibly arguments for GP still hold on my opinion.

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

Yeah, It seems kinda nonsense.

First time I saw something like that happening tbh

The Possibly arguments for GP still hold on my opinion.

This would require another CRT

 

[Sus]

kinda unrelated but the wiki doesn't let me make a blog what should i do

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

kinda unrelated but the wiki doesn't let me make a blog what should i do

Doesn't let you how?

 

[Sus]

Doesn't let you how?

something about autoconfirmed users? i did confirm my account though

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Funny meme is funny, but shouldn't be taken overly seriously. This isn't Dragon Ball Heroes.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Would you agree to dragon ball z battle of gods being canon to Toei? Since the movie is no longer canon to the main work and has its own adaptation in the anime super

 

[Ednaxel2]

Would you agree to dragon ball z battle of gods being canon to Toei? Since the movie is no longer canon to the main work and has its own adaptation in the anime super

The only connection it has to Toei is that one timeline but that’s about it. This film and the Res F movie should be their own thing (though the Res F film is probably canon to the manga)

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The only connection it has to Toei is that one timeline but that’s about it. This film and the Res F movie should be their own thing (though the Res F film is probably canon to the manga)

Yeah, i was thinking about using it for some crazy scales i was thinking about.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The Toei characters were already upgraded to Infinite Speed btw

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

The Toei characters were already upgraded to Infinite Speed btw

Where ?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku infinite speed is so real

 

[Kroneii1]

The Toei characters were already upgraded to Infinite Speed btw

I hope it lasts and hopefully it will not be removed in the next few days.

 

[RanHover60]

Infinite speed super perfect cell is immeasurably based

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Now Goku Toei solos the DBS verse with just speed, the only one who escapes is Infinite Zamasu and the angels

 

[Phsccarvalho]

IZ carries all of it's canon verse with its HDE, AE and distance smurf.

It's the GOAT.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

IZ carries all of it's canon verse with its HDE, AE and distance smurf.

It's the GOAT.

There will never be anyone as powerful in just hax as he is in DB

 

[Phsccarvalho]

There will never be anyone as powerful in just hax as he is in DB

He would have more if it weren't for the review of acausuality.

Since he is a god he is affected by the randomness thing that deities gained in DB.

But now acausuality is useless on its own.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He would have more if it weren't for the review of acausuality.

Since he is a god he is affected by the randomness thing that deities gained in DB.

But now acausuality is useless on its own.

Really, now all we can try to give him is manipulation of the law

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Since the movie is no longer canon to the main work

that isn't how that works...