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Dragon Ball Manga - 3-A Buu Aaga

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theres your proof
Checks out. The raw japanese saves it since there is no other interpretation of the specific kanji.

Can you provide the kanji for "universe" and "entire"? These are key words too. If they also check out I will rescind my argument for the translation.
 
Which forces to recontextualize Gokus statement to mean the living universe, and if were already having to downgrade the statement because it contradicts one made earlier, that should speak for the validity of the statement itself.
Well the latest destruction statement of buu, was to make the living universe go "poof" which is backed up by guides, as shown in the thread.
 
Overtime destruction fits his historical modus operandi, not even once do the people who have the most knowledge on him ever state he destroys more than planets at a given time, he took several years to destroy hundreds of planets, this really is taking one statement by Goku and taking it to its highest conclusion as if he were speaking in a non casual matter-of-fact manner to describe Buus capabilities.
In those severals years he wasn't even actually destroying any planets, just lifewiping them at his leisure. Just as how him lifewiping and destroying entire parts of Earth has nothing to do with him destroying the planet itself, neither does him lifewiping planets to destroying the entire universe.
 
yeah there is just kinda nothing truly implying he would go planet to planet, 4-B just seems flat out wrong here, even if we consider a timefram.
 
Checks out. The raw japanese saves it since there is no other interpretation of the specific kanji.

Can you provide the kanji for "universe" and "entire"? These are key words too. If they also check out I will rescind my argument for the translation.
Why Goku is a Universe buster (Buu Saga) | Battle Arena Amino Amino


They use the kanji Uchu which means Universe.
 
Ignoring the specific timing of the "poof" part and anything to do with upgrades, is it genuinely feasible for Kid Buu to be just 4-B if he is a threat to the universe? I'm pretty sure even if he just constantly annihilated one solar system per second, non-stop, it would take like, over a trillion years for him to destroy just the observable living universe.
 
Ignoring the specific timing of the "poof" part and anything to do with upgrades, is it genuinely feasible for Kid Buu to be just 4-B if he is a threat to the universe? I'm pretty sure even if he just constantly annihilated one solar system per second, non-stop, it would take like, over a trillion years for him to destroy just the observable living universe.
Exactly, and there's already context showing the timeframe to be nowhere that long of a tmeframe (pretty sure the highest you can stretch it to is 1000 years per Elder Kai's lifespan, since he was going to reach the Kaioshin Realm and kill the Kais too). And per BOG Whis, we know Buu's travel speed's capped somewhere significantly below quadrillions FTL, so saying he can just go solar system to solar system really fast is off the table, he literally can't. There's no way around him having to be 3-B to do what he's said to be able to do at minimum.

As I said I think the 3-A rating should be a possibly or it's own discussion and this part has far more merit.
 
Ignoring the specific timing of the "poof" part and anything to do with upgrades, is it genuinely feasible for Kid Buu to be just 4-B if he is a threat to the universe? I'm pretty sure even if he just constantly annihilated one solar system per second, non-stop, it would take like, over a trillion years for him to destroy just the observable living universe.
i agree
 
Common thread L

This is deadass our "destroy the world" standards except for universe

We saw him teleport to different parts of the macrocosm and beat ass but people acting like he'd just vaporize the whole universe in a deep breath
 
Common thread L

This is deadass our "destroy the world" standards except for universe

We saw him teleport to different parts of the macrocosm and beat ass but people acting like he'd just vaporize the whole universe in a deep breath
So do you think it’s overtime?
 
Common thread L

This is deadass our "destroy the world" standards except for universe

We saw him teleport to different parts of the macrocosm and beat ass but people acting like he'd just vaporize the whole universe in a deep breath
Huh? He only teleported to the kaioshin realm, we accept he was just going to teleport back to the living realm and blow it up, which is stated. And if it was overtime, thats still 3-B at least, consider it was implied to be an immediate threat.
 
Can we just drop the 3-A stuff for a minute and focus on the minimum he'd be for the overtime stuff? It's way simpler.
The minimum would be 3-B, any other tier besides that makes literally no sense, because he was going to destroy the universe fairly quickly it seems, anything lower than 3-B is nonsense.
 
The minimum would be 3-B, any other tier besides that makes literally no sense, because he was going to destroy the universe fairly quickly it seems, anything lower than 3-B is nonsense.
Right, so let's just get that out of the way first and then if that gets accepted, contemplate whether or not the next step with a 3-A rating is valid as opposed to blowing the whole thing out by just focusing on 3-A only.
 
Also for the 1000 year timeframe I already got a calc

Energy required to destroy the Universe = 2.825x10^92 Joules

Timeframe: 1000 years 3.154e+10 seconds

2.825x10^92 / 3.154e+10 (1000 years in seconds) = 8.9568802x10^81 Joules (Multi-Galaxy level+)
Could probably just be the midball end, since 1000 years was the entirety of his remaining lifespan, but he was clearly scared of being killed pretty subsequently.

Lowball end could probably be 75,000 years (the maximum lifespan of a Kaioshin taking Shin into account). There is absolutely no way feasible it'd be higher than 75,000 years, at any rate. Shin was ******** himself over being killed by Buu after he got done destroying the universe.
 
Whole can mean entire but here's the kanji: 全 which means all, entire or whole
Checks out. So the translation is valid. This is one of those specific exceptions I outlined. The raw japanese backs it up 100%.

Still, there isn't much supporting evidence the claim is to be taken literally. It's a one-off statement that is never backed up with a hard feat. At least with Cell destroying the solar system he was himself making a clear threat to do so.

Is the word "might" also included in the japanese? Cause that implies its possibly only a theory to be honest.
 
Checks out. So the translation is valid. This is one of those specific exceptions I outlined. The raw japanese backs it up 100%.

Still, there isn't much supporting evidence the claim is to be taken literally. It's a one-off statement that is never backed up with a hard feat. At least with Cell destroying the solar system he was himself making a clear threat to do so.

Is the word "might" also included in the japanese? Cause that implies its possibly only a theory to be honest.
No, here is the origianal kanjis
全宇宙を賭けた試合
 
Could probably just be the midball end, since 1000 years was the entirety of his remaining lifespan, but he was clearly scared of being killed pretty subsequently.

Lowball end could probably be 75,000 years (the maximum lifespan of a Kaioshin taking Shin into account). There is absolutely no way feasible it'd be higher than 75,000 years, at any rate. Shin was ******** himself over being killed by Buu after he got done destroying the universe.
If we use that as the highball it’s either right below 3-B+ or is slightly above 3-B+

Checks out. So the translation is valid. This is one of those specific exceptions I outlined. The raw japanese backs it up 100%.

Still, there isn't much supporting evidence the claim is to be taken literally. It's a one-off statement that is never backed up with a hard feat. At least with Cell destroying the solar system he was himself making a clear threat to do so.

Is the word "might" also included in the japanese? Cause that implies its possibly only a theory to be honest.
Might is never included it’s just He’ll make the universe go poof and the things that back this up is the manga title and the el manga legendario which we use on the wiki since it’s published by Shuiesha which is where 10x grade 3 multiplier comes from
 
I'm not interested in being a genuine member of this thread so I'll say my main points and disappear until/unless the main points that Damage are referencing are fully countered or unless there's a big flaw with my point. I'm not gonna entertain a lot of these points.

I'm not gonna agree with a creature of destruction who's only purpose is to blow shit up going around the universe only blowing up less than like 15 planets in the span of, what, less than an hour, scaling to anything in tier 3 due to the destruction of the universe

His whole schist is that he'll be free to turn the universe into his playground, destroying planet after planet after planet

Since this thread seems to be heavily interpretation based, my interpretation is that the "universe" references the life in it, and "the entire universe" means "everyone in it"

Its said that he only destroyed hundreds of planets in the span of a few years. In the milky way there's over 100 billion planets. Dude only destroyed some hundreds.

We see most of his shit being life wiping. They don't care about the actual planets, but the population thereof.

But even ignoring that. You're telling me it took him that long for that miniscule ass feat?

That's why when we see him in the manga pre seal and post seal, we see he went planet to planet booming planets instead of just ******** on a single solar system at a time or something.

Like saying that he can actually boom giant portions of the universe in a short amount of time is just ignoring the manga for generous "interpretations".

We see him when Kid Buu's formed. Dude booms planet by planet. Literally no damage to the solar system was done.

Dude didn't destroy nebulae, stars, even moons. Dude just destroyed everywhere he sensed life.

I violently disagree with this thread
 
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I'm not interested in being a genuine member of this thread so I'll say my main points and disappear until/unless the main points that Damage are referencing are fully countered or unless there's a big flaw with my point. I'm not gonna entertain a lot of these points.
Damages points were already refuted.
I'm not gonna agree with a creature of destruction who's only purpose is to blow shit up going around the universe only blowing up less than like 15 planets in the span of, what, less than an hour, scaling to anything in tier 3 due to the destruction of the universe
So you're just ignoring statements because of things he did millions of years ago?
His whole schist is that he'll be free to turn the universe into his playground, destroying planet after planet after planet

Since this thread seems to be heavily interpretation based, my interpretation is that the "universe" references the life in it, and "the entire universe" means "everyone in it"
But that completely contradicts the statements that he would destroy the entire universe, and destroying the universe by proxy would also mean destroying all life in it, but it is blatantly implying that everything will be gone of the universe, not just killing life on planets or just purely life, we have supporting evidence by guidebooks for this.
Its said that he only destroyed hundreds of planets in the span of a few years. In the milky way there's over 100 billion planets. Dude only destroyed some hundreds.

We see most of his shit being life wiping. They don't care about the actual planets, but the population thereof.

But even ignoring that. You're telling me it took him that long for that miniscule ass feat?

That's why when we see him in the manga pre seal and post seal, we see he went planet to planet booming planets instead of just ******** on a single solar system at a time or something.

Like saying that he can actually boom giant portions of the universe in a short amount of time is just ignoring the manga for generous "interpretations".

We see him when Kid Buu's formed. Dude booms planet by planet. Literally no damage to the solar system was done.
When kid buu was formed, he destroyed the earth and instantly teleported to the kai realm after regenerating, he didn't go planet to planet, only then did we get the universal statements for buu, which even if overtime, would still be tier 3, again just because he destroyed a ton of planets millions of years ago, doesn't mean that in that moment, his goal was to do the same which is directly contradicted.
Dude didn't destroy nebulae, stars, even moons. Dude just destroyed everywhere he sensed life.

I violently disagree with this thread
He never got a chance to, he sense goku and vegeta pretty much immediately.
 
I'm not gonna agree with a creature of destruction who's only purpose is to blow shit up going around the universe only blowing up less than like 15 planets in the span of, what, less than an hour, scaling to anything in tier 3 due to the destruction of the universe
You're thinking of Toei filler. He never did anything after destroying Earth but go to the Kaioshin Realm.
Since this thread seems to be heavily interpretation based, my interpretation is that the "universe" references the life in it, and "the entire universe" means "everyone in it"
Which is horribly wrong and not remotely how the series uses this sort of terminology, or in general. They don't even equate him wiping out humanity, every city, an entire tenth of the planet as destroying the Earth itself, and you think living beings somehow refers to the universe itself (despite life or entire planets to the universe is an unfathomably bigger discrepancy in comparison) ? The same arc literally makes the distinction between "all life" and "the entire universe" itself.
Chapter: 469 (DBZ 275), P5.1
Piccolo: “Just as Kaioshin feared, Majin Boo’s strength surpasses our imagination…If we leave him alone like this, then without a doubt all life on not merely the Earth, but throughout the entire universe will be wiped out…”
I'm not interested in being a genuine member of this thread so I'll say my main points and disappear until/unless the main points that Damage are referencing are fully countered or unless there's a big flaw with my point. I'm not gonna entertain a lot of these points.

I'm not gonna agree with a creature of destruction who's only purpose is to blow shit up going around the universe only blowing up less than like 15 planets in the span of, what, less than an hour, scaling to anything in tier 3 due to the destruction of the universe

His whole schist is that he'll be free to turn the universe into his playground, destroying planet after planet after planet

Since this thread seems to be heavily interpretation based, my interpretation is that the "universe" references the life in it, and "the entire universe" means "everyone in it"

Its said that he only destroyed hundreds of planets in the span of a few years. In the milky way there's over 100 billion planets. Dude only destroyed some hundreds.

We see most of his shit being life wiping. They don't care about the actual planets, but the population thereof.

But even ignoring that. You're telling me it took him that long for that miniscule ass feat?
Doesn't mean anything. Buu took an entire day to wipe out 80% humanity (He's become so much like Eren Yeager it's scary). He takes his time wiping life as he feels. It's not a limit on his capabilities.
That's why when we see him in the manga pre seal and post seal, we see he went planet to planet booming planets instead of just ******** on a single solar system at a time or something.

Like saying that he can actually boom giant portions of the universe in a short amount of time is just ignoring the manga for generous "interpretations".

We see him when Kid Buu's formed. Dude booms planet by planet. Literally no damage to the solar system was done.

Dude didn't destroy nebulae, stars, even moons. Dude just destroyed everywhere he sensed life.
We literally never see him destroying anything other than Earth in the manga or go planet to planet. However, per both the Anime and Manga, it does state he will destroy all that with caps on the timeframe.

It's not a "generous interpretation", it's literally what he's factually required to capable of with the given timeframe and his speed.
 
I disagree with these changes. The majority of the supposed justifications are just exaggerated by saying "Buu could threaten the entire universe". Plenty of similar statements have been made about major DBZ villains like Frieza and Cell, but there's not enough evidence. Hell, I still disagree with the 3-A and 2-C tiers for Super Buu and SSJ3 Goku because of the ridiculous jumps in logic you'd have to make for the characters to experience such a boost in power. Leave the DBZ manga where it is.
 
I'm not interested in being a genuine member of this thread so I'll say my main points and disappear until/unless the main points that Damage are referencing are fully countered or unless there's a big flaw with my point. I'm not gonna entertain a lot of these points.

Damage relies heavly on bad reasoning everyone here including me explains the problem with Damage argumentation presented here. No point in appealing to him.
I'm not gonna agree with a creature of destruction who's only purpose is to blow shit up going around the universe only blowing up less than like 15 planets in the span of, what, less than an hour, scaling to anything in tier 3 due to the destruction of the universe
This was completely long ago as kid buu use to do that when he was bored, bringing this up is just irrelevant as hell. Bringing something that happen in the past =/= It would happen again. That's just false anology fallacy.

Since this thread seems to be heavily interpretation based, my interpretation is that the "universe" references the life in it, and "the entire universe" means "everyone in it"
Yet it's shown he destroyed Earth, What is this argument here. The context wouldn't mean that since Buu wanted to destroy the universe. Dude you even admitted he blows up planets. This is funny.
 
I disagree with these changes. The majority of the supposed justifications are just exaggerated by saying "Buu could threaten the entire universe". Plenty of similar statements have been made about major DBZ villains like Frieza and Cell, but there's not enough evidence. Hell, I still disagree with the 3-A and 2-C tiers for Super Buu and SSJ3 Goku because of the ridiculous jumps in logic you'd have to make for the characters to experience such a boost in power. Leave the DBZ manga where it is.
Buu wasn't going to "threaten" the universe, its blatantly stated he would destroy it, and the super buu and goku shit is completely unrelated.
 
I disagree with these changes. The majority of the supposed justifications are just exaggerated by saying "Buu could threaten the entire universe". Plenty of similar statements have been made about major DBZ villains like Frieza and Cell, but there's not enough evidence. Hell, I still disagree with the 3-A and 2-C tiers for Super Buu and SSJ3 Goku because of the ridiculous jumps in logic you'd have to make for the characters to experience such a boost in power. Leave the DBZ manga where it is.
No there hasn't. Frieza's only a threat to the universe in the sense of conquering it and was never said to destroy the universe (literally not even what he does), and Cell is specifically said to be a threat to each planet with no given timeframe, unlike Buu. It's not remotely the same thing.

The Kais themselves (who have their universal vision and are the oldest and most knowledgable gods), literally the chapter titles, guidebooks, everything surrounding the narrative pushes the fact that Buu will destroy the universe in an immediate timeframe (75k years at the most).
 
I disagree with these changes. The majority of the supposed justifications are just exaggerated by saying "Buu could threaten the entire universe". Plenty of similar statements have been made about major DBZ villains like Frieza and Cell, but there's not enough evidence. Hell, I still disagree with the 3-A and 2-C tiers for Super Buu and SSJ3 Goku because of the ridiculous jumps in logic you'd have to make for the characters to experience such a boost in power. Leave the DBZ manga where it is.
Bad anology ngl both frieza and cell are completely different than buu. Cell wanted to spread fear into people and frieza wanted to rule over the universe. While buu on the other hand want to destroy the universe
 
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