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Dragon Ball: Infinite Universe

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RIZEXX said:
There can be statements in guides really my only issue is the lack of statements in CURRENT SUPER. And yeah 99% of these guides are for the Z anime and are archaic. But like I said still neutral
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No, they are not just for Z, but for all cosmology, if it were for anime Z, it clearly said "anime" as is the case with the size of the sky, your concern about this has indeed been answered, and about being too old, read my comment just above, where there's even a more recent guide that talks about Beerus and the whole structure of the DB Universe.
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
What can you possibly mean by "CURRENT SUPER"? If you mean the manga then at worse this would just apply to the anime's cosmology as they are separate canons.
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More so referring to infinite statements made in the actual anime/Manga and not some weird archaic guides that might only apply to the anime. You’ve showed boundless statement or whatever but I’m asking if there’s more like that not from guides does that make sense?
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
But they aren't stated to be higher dimensional barriers. A universe being 4-D doesn't mean it gets some undetermined barrier around it.
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I think he might be referring to the Neutral Zone that holds all the Universes in Super, or that holds the Supreme Kai's realm apart from the Macrocosm globe in general.

Reiner said:
Continue from here.
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"Infinitely expanding and galaxy illuminations Ten of thousands of light years.. Hundreds of millions of light years.. Countless unknown aliens monsters live beyond stars where light cannot reach." (Daizenshuu 4)
This Daizenshuu scan refers to what we're calling the 'Observable Universe' here, it talks about an infinitely expanding light but with darkness that still dwells before it, and creatures that live there. This is the section where the Four Kaio govern their own associated cardinal direction holding countless galaxies.
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(Daizenshuu 4)
"The infinitely expanding universe is determined mainly by the direction that each king manages, and the place managed by the king is supervised by the king of the world, and the gods of the north, south, east, and west manage the Universe. Ultimately, the Great King God is supposed to oversee the whole world."

What lies beyond, is the 'Unobservable Universe.' We call it Unobservable, because it's stated to be beyond the Stars and contain no light, and it is the same place where Yakon was stated to come from and reside in, and the place that they fought him in.
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And we know that this place HAS to be beyond the edge of the Observable Universe that we see in Super, since it's littered by stars and light. It's in the Unobservable Universe that lays beyond. There are no contradictions, everything is in line with the show.
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Now, for the scans on the infinite nature of the entirety of the Living World:
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"An infinite space of light and darkness where the unknown lives" (Daizenshuu 4)
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"An endless space that envelops all celestial bodies that exist in this world." (Daizenshuu 7)


Translation credits: here

guide name chozenshu 4 I think

Full quote from the guide is exactly here

It has been further supported in the anime itself where shenron mentions space to be boundless expanse.


People read incomplete Daizenshuu pages at surface level, see that it refers to both a Universe that is infinitely expanding and outright infinite, and falsely conclude that it has inconsistencies. This is false. The same people do this and end up thinking that the DB Universe only has 4 galaxies.
Read all available information, and with the proper context provided you will understand how the DB cosmology works. It's a cosmology that contains both an infinitely expanding Universe, and an infinite Universe.

Also about Bulma statement that they live at the edge of the Universe is kinda being overused and ignoring all the previous statements, also that it seems highly unlikely for eartg or milky way galaxy to be at the edge, it is more reasonable that Bulma is talking about observable Universe.

Agree: @Aachintya31 , @BestMGQScalerEver , @LuffyRuffy46307, @Guacamolefletcher

Disagree:

Neutral: @LordGriffin1000
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These arguments seem familiar.. :')
Agreed
 
RIZEXX said:
More so referring to infinite statements made in the actual anime/Manga and not some weird archaic guides that might only apply to the anime. You’ve showed boundless statement or whatever but I’m asking if there’s more like that not from guides does that make sense?
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Guidebook statements can be used as long as it has any kind of support in the series, which it does. It doesn't have to be soo solid or anything like multiple statements for samething.
 
Reiner said:
Guidebook statements can be used as long as it has any kind of support in the series, which it does. It doesn't have to be soo solid or anything like multiple statements for samething.
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It has one statement by Shenron and old guides. So yeah still neutral for now but I **** with the vision
 
LordGriffin1000 said:
But they aren't stated to be higher dimensional barriers. A universe being 4-D doesn't mean it gets some undetermined barrier around it.
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Uh yes, sorry for late reply. As per our default standards, we assume that multiverse exist in a insignificant higher Dimensional (5D) space that can makes Universe looks smaller from outside, that's why Universe in ben 10 was long accepted to be Infinite even though we had seen it from outside, as how we see existence from outside can be different than how we see it from inside. That's why multiverse with each Universe being Infinite is possible.
 
RIZEXX said:
More so referring to infinite statements made in the actual anime/Manga and not some weird archaic guides that might only apply to the anime. You’ve showed boundless statement or whatever but I’m asking if there’s more like that not from guides does that make sense?
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The ones that immediately come to mind is DBGT's boundless galaxies statement, Super manga's boundless galaxies statement, and this Shenron statement. So it's consistent for the franchise as awhole
 
pineappleman said:
The ones that immediately come to mind is DBGT's boundless galaxies statement, Super manga's boundless galaxies statement, and this Shenron statement. So it's consistent for the franchise as awhole
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Idk if you’ll even get this reply XD but can you post the scans? I can check them out once my internet loads better. And is GT canon to super?
 
Yeah.. Alternate timelines are assumed to have same cosmological structure unless contradicted. So it's fine in all regards, also please refrain from discussing what profiles already accepts as it cause a massive derailing like previous crt which went to 7 pages, if anything one have to make a crt to remove it. Please stay on topic that is yet to be accepted. Also do not multi-post, do not repeat the samething, it's fill the thread unnecessarily.
 
You know, this DB Toei, DBS Manga and DBS anime thing is going to complicate things a lot. There are things that can support the infinite universe that, for example, is only in DB Toei or DBS Anime. I think this will make for a lot of confusion and a lot of pages.

Well, ordinary CRT from dragon ball.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
GT follows Toei's cosmology, so no, they're not the same cosmological structure (and this was discussed in the thread about that).
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It has been accepted to be canon to super as Well if you read the dragonball page, also that previous crt was only concerned for it being canon or not which I mentioned that upgrades can be discussed later on. An alternate timeline having different cosmological structure than main Timeline especially in MWI is big no unless contradicted, it wasn't branched until goku reached earth anyway.
 
Reiner said:
It has been accepted to be canon to super as Well if you read the dragonball page, also that previous crt was only concerned for it being canon or not which I mentioned that upgrades can be discussed later on. An alternate timeline having different cosmological structure than main Timeline especially in MWI is big no unless contradicted, it wasn't branched until goku reached earth anyway.
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And when did I say if it's canon or not? I said that the structure of the universe is not the same, otherwise DBS would have the 2-C universe, so currently the structure of the universe is not the same.

Unless one of you uses the GT canon timeline to update the DBZ/DBS timeline for 2C.

Have fun if you do.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Unless one of you uses the GT canon timeline to update the DBZ/DBS timeline for 2C.
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Upgrades will take time obv for what has been accepted, as for how controversial the very Infinite Universe is, I considered it done separately than others to not flood the thread like previous crt.
 
Anyway, the moment GT was accepted to be an alternate branched Timeline, arguement for different cosmological structure were ended. So both of them are same and 2C Universe will be for another day.
 
pineappleman said:
The ones that immediately come to mind is DBGT's boundless galaxies statement, Super manga's boundless galaxies statement, and this Shenron statement. So it's consistent for the franchise as awhole
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Super’s boundless galaxies is a mistranslation and do you have the ep for Gt
 
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