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It seems like the staff agrees with the concept stuff but they agree with glass in the concept/fate/causilty stuff. But i recomend waiting untill both sides are in agreement. Because they are certainly not done talkin.So which staff members think what here?
Yea if they somehow cant get an agreement then why not just put a possibly on the abilities? If its not fully accepted atleast.Okay. If they are unlikely to reach an agreement, it may be better to just apply what has been accepted and let what has been rejected be though.
DarkDragonMedeus and LordGriffin both agreed with Conceptual Manipulation, however they agreed Glassman's point about InformationOkay. If they are unlikely to reach an agreement, it may be better to just apply what has been accepted and let what has been rejected be though.
@DarkDragonMedeus @LordGriffin1000 @Theglassman12 @Maverick_Zero_XDarkDragonMedeus and LordGriffin both agreed with Conceptual Manipulation, however they agreed Glassman's point about Information
LordGriffin agreed with Causality & Fate hax, DarkDragonMedeus has issue with Causality hax
Maverick agree with DarkDragonMedeus, but agree with Glass on Info/Causality/Fate
This is the current status, kinda busy early week so i can't check the thread much, also somehow connection to the website is very unstable
I meant regarding which composite/compromise solution that we should use here based on the four different staff evaluations.My thoughts have more or less remained unchanged.
So basiclly a summary or do you want the thread to end with a conclusion?I meant regarding which composite/compromise solution that we should use here based on the four different staff evaluations.
@Dagoth_OwO And corrupting the scrolls means they warp the information and the concepts how? Where's the proof the scrolls are incorporeal on top of concepts and information being a requirement to affect the scrolls? Because you still have not attempted to answer both of these questions to prove that they lack a form and that destroying concepts and information is a requirement. Answer my question, does every character suddenly get blood, bone and biological manipulation for destroying a human body, regardless if it's done by blowing it up or burning the body? Because as of now this is the type of logic you're bringing with destroying time scrolls.
Well look like i need to, again, explain things despite it already presented in the sandbox@Greatsage13th then answer my question, does blowing up or burning a human body qualify for blood manipulation, bone manipulation and biological manipulation because I destroyed it all? Because destroying something that just happens to have this (not really proven for info hax at all) isn't granting you these abilities.
Probably you get the wrong idea, but no, the scroll corrupting is just it response and record the timeline and its events when history changed, when history being normal, no one corrupt it@Dagoth_OwO And corrupting the scrolls means they warp the information and the concepts how?
Well, we have a sufficient number of staff members with evaluation rights here, but they would need to have reached some form of consensus regarding each individual evaluated suggestion/issue. If all of them disagree with each other regarding some point, it is much harder to know what we should do in that area.@Antvasima How many staff members would have to disagree/agree to consider it rejected or accepted? Cause if we've reached the bare minimum then we can move onto the other stuff.
Do you have any evidence that Ahm's specifically made to destroy the time scrolls? Because going off his synopsis here, it's seems to me Ahm's mostly concerned about destroying the time patrol as he's gaining data to defeat them, not getting specific powers to destroy the time scrolls, so yeah I don't really see this helping your case here.
You can see here that Sealas achieves his final form by letting Ahms absorb him. During the transformation he says "This is ahead of schedule, but I must move to the final phase. I must tear it all down and then rebuild it."
So yes, Sealas's ultimate purpose for Ahms was to collect data, merge with him and use his powers to destroy the scrolls and remake reality.
I don't believe the scrolls having a physical form is a deal breaker for these abilities, but is there anything besides a verbatim statement of "To affect the Time Scrolls you need to affect concepts/information" you would be willing to accept?No scans on the scrolls lacking a physical form or concepts/information being required to destroy the scrolls.
and yet Fu is like the only person with these showings with the tokipedia, and it's his own creation so this at best scales to him, especially with the lack of evidence on the concepts and information being needed to destroy the time scrolls which I've asked for the nth time now on top of an answer to my question on the human body no one would give.
Remember when you asked me and I quote "Do you have any actual statements or showings that any of the time scrolls can do the exact same thing as the tokipedia or not?". I showed you explicit proof that Time Scrolls can contain Time Rifts (SKOT Demigra Time Rift and the Time Rift where Bardock dragged Mira into), and you've once again ignored it entirely. The sole purpose of the Tokipedia was to contain and record Time Rifts, and I have undeniably proven that the Time Scrolls are infact capable of doing the exact same thing if necessary. The Time Scrolls not recording Fu's Time Rifts is literally just a matter of choice, not a limitation, as Chronoa has absolutely no reason to record Time Rifts which are literally threatening and brainwashing other people and destabilizing Conton City, and which were going to be destroyed and absorbed a moment later anyway. So let's quickly go over the checkbook again shall we?Again, everything about the tokipedia at best just scales to Fu as he's the only one doing this, and even then it's with prep time at best, nothing about this proves information is a requirement, in fact the idea that the records in the tokipedia don't affect the time scrolls contradicts information being warped since there's no evidence that warping information itself means affecting the actual timelines.
You misunderstood my point. The corruption only indicates that the history recorded and contained in a Time Scroll is changed, not that it's literally corrupted like someone under Dark Ki's corruption. Anyways, I find your human body example a false comparison, since we're not dealing things that we can normally touch like bones, but literal non-physical data and information. To physically affect something non-physical like data/information, you obviously need a specific ability, and as I've already proven with the Tokipedia, which 100% scales to the Time Scrolls that I have also proven, not even literal time erasure can affect the scrolls and their records. Your comparison is faulty when the scrolls and their records can't be affected by time EE anyway, unlike a human body. If the recorded data/information itself can't be destroyed by erasing its container, then it's fairly obvious that you'd need to affect the data directly to destroy it. Of course, if you once again decide to ignore the clear evidence that the Tokipedia stuff scales to the Time Scrolls, this whole discussion is pointless and an utter waste of my time, so I'll just have to wait and see what you do.And corrupting the scrolls means they warp the information and the concepts how? Where's the proof the scrolls are incorporeal on top of concepts and information being a requirement to affect the scrolls? Because you still have not attempted to answer both of these questions to prove that they lack a form and that destroying concepts and information is a requirement. Answer my question, does every character suddenly get blood, bone and biological manipulation for destroying a human body, regardless if it's done by blowing it up or burning the body? Because as of now this is the type of logic you're bringing with destroying time scrolls.
What the hell, literally, Tokipedia affect and record its own timeline, Fu directly stated it separate from normal timeline, thus not affectAgain, everything about the tokipedia at best just scales to Fu as he's the only one doing this, and even then it's with prep time at best, nothing about this proves information is a requirement, in fact the idea that the records in the tokipedia don't affect the time scrolls contradicts information being warped since there's no evidence that warping information itself means affecting the actual timelines.
1. Literally you ignore my scan again:Again, go back to my question that you guys won't answer for some reason, do I get blood, bone and biological manipulation for burning/destroying a human body? Or is it just that these things happen to result in all 3 of these forms of matter being destroyed? By your own logic every person/fictional character ever with weapons/strength that can destroy a human body just happens to have all 3 of these abilities despite it being a chain reaction of these objects being destroyed in the end, having concepts (which btw Time Bird is not a concept or an abstract being, he's shown the exact opposite of the traits for an abstract being) in a timeline does not grant you conceptual manipulation because you destroy the timeline, that's at best a chain reaction feat.
Conceptual was agreed by 2 admins and 1 mod, so it is fineSo what can be applied here so far?
Oke, what about Fate???Okay, conceptual manipulation is probably fine to apply then.
Griffin and Medeus have no problem with it, Maverick agreed with glass which mean he disagreed with fate haxWhat are the summarised arguments for each side regarding fate manipulation? Maybe I can act as a tiebreaker?
oh sorry Ant, kinda sleepy at this hour, here is the feat, UMX Demigra dark power caused all kind of possibilities to overflow, possibilities in verse context is future as how Fu mentioned themOkay, but that is not what I asked.
More specifically, there's the intertwining of the histories of separate universes, the alteration of specific events in the past, and causing things to occur that were deemed impossible by someone with Cosmic Awareness of all time and timelines.Causilty manip is because the characters were effecting all points of time right?
if so since the admins look like they disagree with it why not remove it from many other pages who has causilty for that reason?