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Ant advised me to make a thread about this a long time ago.
This was something that was on my mind for a long while. There is literally no reason that the speed upgrade of MILLIONS isn't regarded as an outlier. We use the high end of said calc, which is in the hundreds of millions. Mind you. Literally days before, Goku PUSHING HIMSELF was Relativistic. Not even Rel+. Lightspeed Haku is a lesser gap. And this is prior to Super Saiyan. There's no reason for it. We've regarded less as outliers. And the reason for it is "there's other speed feats to justify it." False.
The other speed feats. The first one is the Ginyu Force. It comes from "But they can sense their FTL ships, but they can't sense the force themselves!" No. I can see a plane in the sky. Does that mean if one was charging at me from a few meters away, I can dodge it? Also, sensing, not only in DB, but fiction in general, is wacky. i.e. Humans sensing people Cell and upwards.
Second thing. "But Bojack and Broly!" I can think of several reasons why this is wrong, and this finally gives me the chance to call for the movies not being canon to the Toeiverse. Because many of them do not fit into the story at all. Granted, these specific two do, but they're still movies. Just because you CAN tie something in doesn't mean it's tied in, especially considering everything before doesn't fit at all. And after too, like Wrath of the Dragon. Tapion's sword, anyone? This is the exact same thing we did when we regarded Kai as primary canon, and we're making the same mistake again. Xenoverse 2 gives us an explanation on how Bardock came to the past. Therefore XV and XV2 are canon and everyone Trunks' level and above becomes High 3-A! See what happens there? The only think that supports a connection is a 1 second cameo from Cooler in GT, and Baby being based off an idea from an anime adaptation of a choose your own adventure game which had Slug, Cooler, and Turles in it. Secondly, there's a reason Broly is possibly 4-A. That feat in general is inconsistent af. Granted, Bojack is legitimate. But this is so far after Namek Saga that it doesn't justify. SSJ TWO was unlocked by then. And it's still a slower feat.
Final thing. "But GT has some feats near that level!" Syn Shenron might. I'm not certain. But something that happens when Goku is 50 justifies something that happened when Goku was 25? I don't think so.
Frankly, the characters should be set to what they were at prior.
This was something that was on my mind for a long while. There is literally no reason that the speed upgrade of MILLIONS isn't regarded as an outlier. We use the high end of said calc, which is in the hundreds of millions. Mind you. Literally days before, Goku PUSHING HIMSELF was Relativistic. Not even Rel+. Lightspeed Haku is a lesser gap. And this is prior to Super Saiyan. There's no reason for it. We've regarded less as outliers. And the reason for it is "there's other speed feats to justify it." False.
The other speed feats. The first one is the Ginyu Force. It comes from "But they can sense their FTL ships, but they can't sense the force themselves!" No. I can see a plane in the sky. Does that mean if one was charging at me from a few meters away, I can dodge it? Also, sensing, not only in DB, but fiction in general, is wacky. i.e. Humans sensing people Cell and upwards.
Second thing. "But Bojack and Broly!" I can think of several reasons why this is wrong, and this finally gives me the chance to call for the movies not being canon to the Toeiverse. Because many of them do not fit into the story at all. Granted, these specific two do, but they're still movies. Just because you CAN tie something in doesn't mean it's tied in, especially considering everything before doesn't fit at all. And after too, like Wrath of the Dragon. Tapion's sword, anyone? This is the exact same thing we did when we regarded Kai as primary canon, and we're making the same mistake again. Xenoverse 2 gives us an explanation on how Bardock came to the past. Therefore XV and XV2 are canon and everyone Trunks' level and above becomes High 3-A! See what happens there? The only think that supports a connection is a 1 second cameo from Cooler in GT, and Baby being based off an idea from an anime adaptation of a choose your own adventure game which had Slug, Cooler, and Turles in it. Secondly, there's a reason Broly is possibly 4-A. That feat in general is inconsistent af. Granted, Bojack is legitimate. But this is so far after Namek Saga that it doesn't justify. SSJ TWO was unlocked by then. And it's still a slower feat.
Final thing. "But GT has some feats near that level!" Syn Shenron might. I'm not certain. But something that happens when Goku is 50 justifies something that happened when Goku was 25? I don't think so.
Frankly, the characters should be set to what they were at prior.
