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Wouldn't be completely incomparable if they were just Moon level in Dragon Ball and Small Planet level in Dragon Ball Z.They're obviously not incomparable if Jr. could tank something that exceeds his and Goku's BoZ PL
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Wouldn't be completely incomparable if they were just Moon level in Dragon Ball and Small Planet level in Dragon Ball Z.They're obviously not incomparable if Jr. could tank something that exceeds his and Goku's BoZ PL
Got time to talk about that Power Level chart?exceeds his and Goku's BoZ PL
It's a x25 differenceWouldn't be completely incomparable if they were just Moon level in Dragon Ball and Small Planet level in Dragon Ball Z.
And? A Vegeta weakened enough for Gohan to fight back survived a point-blank Spirit Bomb explosion intended for his form Great Ape with enough strength remaining to incapacitate Krillin with a single strike, unleash a Super Explosive Wave, and cut off Gohan's tail with a Destructo Disc, but Gohan and Great Ape Vegeta are incomparable.It's a x25 difference
Yeah, sometimes the characters can just tank way more than they can dish out.And? A Vegeta weakened enough for Gohan to fight back survived a point-blank Spirit Bomb explosion intended for his form Great Ape with enough strength remaining to incapacitate Krillin with a single strike, unleash a Super Explosive Wave, and cut off Gohan's tail with a Destructo Disc, but Gohan and Great Ape Vegeta are incomparable.
The Super Kamehameha there also looks visibly much larger than Piccolo is; he's not being hit by the full energy of it so it wouldn't make sense to scale him fully to it anyway when a good proportion is going past him.
I think that's a bit of headcanon. They probably just portrayed the kamehameha that way to showcase that it's indeed a "Super" kamehameha. Final flash was also way bigger than Cell, but nobody is going to argue that it didn't hit cell fully.The Super Kamehameha there also looks visibly much larger than Piccolo is; he's not being hit by the full energy of it so it wouldn't make sense to scale him fully to it anyway when a good proportion is going past him.
Vegeta narrowed the beam. And, the blast detonated.Final flash was also way bigger than Cell
but nobody is going to argue that it didn't hit cell fully.
Hey guys, here's a quicker solution:And? A Vegeta weakened enough for Gohan to fight back survived a point-blank Spirit Bomb explosion intended for his form Great Ape with enough strength remaining to incapacitate Krillin with a single strike, unleash a Super Explosive Wave, and cut off Gohan's tail with a Destructo Disc, but Gohan and Great Ape Vegeta are incomparable.
Conversely, a single Bomber DX from Nappa (4,000) near-instantly killed Piccolo (3,500).
And, uh, anything involving Cell.
Like what? Just curiousHey guys, here's a quicker solution:
Let's discard the V-Jump Chart as it has a shit load of contradictions.
Pretty sure @Nullflowerblush already pointed out but:Like what? Just curious
Damn that's bad lolPretty sure @Nullflowerblush already pointed out but:
- Mr Popo: Has a power level of 1030 despite the fact Kami is stated to be superior to him
- Kami: Has a power level of 220, contradicting how he was stronger than the Goku who beat King Piccolo (260)
- Roshi: Roshi has a power level of 180, contradicitng his 139 on the Daizenshuu (which has a much higher authority)
- Korin: Korin being at 190, higher than Goku's 180, when in fact Goku was stated by Korin himself that he has surpassed him.
It's not being used at all in the blogIf that magazine with power levels is so inaccurate at ma y points
Why exactly do we use it?, If only one or two were off, that'd be different, but it seems a lot of them are off, and not just by little
No I meant generally, it seemed to be used for dragon ball in other topicsIt's not being used at all in the blog
Maybe people just don't double check or care much about the validity of itNo I meant generally, it seemed to be used for dragon ball in other topics
I mean, it's just Saiyan saga vegeta's oozaru case that the issue since it touches both namek and Saiyan saga PLsSandbox seems ok to me, rip Oozaru.
At least wrathful is definitely a x10 power increase given its a humanoid transformation and definitely boosts brolys strength and power, speed, durability like any other form wouldI mean, it's just Saiyan saga vegeta's oozaru case that the issue since it touches both namek and Saiyan saga PLs
Actually, I just noticed that Raditz and SS Gohan aren’t scaling to 1/10 of their Oozaru AP either, so I‘m not a fan of that either.Looking at the sandbox again, I still disagree with Vegeta not scaling to 1/10 of his Oozaru AP, but outside of that, I don’t have any issues with it.
Added itLooking at the sandbox again, I still disagree with Vegeta not scaling to 1/10 of his Oozaru AP, but outside of that, I don’t have any issues with it.
I would like for a scan of Post-RoSaT base Gotenks being stronger than Pre-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks to be added to that part of the sandbox though.
I agree with most of the sandbox, it’s just Raditz, Gohan and Vegeta not backscaling from their Oozaru states that I disagree with.Added it
Should I count your vote as disagree or neutral?
I have 2 agreements, and agreement from Tracer tho he disagrees with Oozarus not downscalingYou already got most of the agreements you needed, no?
Goku and Frieza were never equals throughout their fight. Goku taunted Frieza after receiving a flurry of punches head-on, countered a sneak attack and flung Frieza with such force that he needed to use an energy blast to halt himself, and then proceeded to beat him silly.Final Form Frieza at 100% is equal to Super Saiyan Goku, albeit is weaker (????)
If we use this,could Frieza at least get "a higher with Nova Strike"Goku and Frieza were never equals throughout their fight. Goku taunted Frieza after receiving a flurry of punches head-on, countered a sneak attack and flung Frieza with such force that he needed to use an energy blast to halt himself, and then proceeded to beat him silly.
The only worthwhile damage Frieza inflicted was with his Nova Strike, which visibly pushed his limits, is explicitly described as his 最大出力 ("maximum output"), and only worked because Goku was preoccupied maintaining his Kamehameha and was caught off-guard.
50% Frieza would scale to Kaio-ken x20 Goku's 8.15140859464 QT, and 16.3028172 QT at 100%, which is slightly below SSJ Goku's 20.3785214866 QT.