ThePrimalHunter
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You might just have to explain this to me like I'm 5 because I really don't see how that makes his feat valid, if anything that just confirms that he could outsmart computers because you pointed it out yourself that they have trouble calculating some moves due to its range and could fall into traps. Humans outsmart computers frequently, the olympic athlete comparison doesn't work because what olympic athletes do isn't possible for normal people. No regular average joe is clocking in at 27 mph like Usain Bolt. No everyday person is preforming a 10/10 dive. I never said that making a better chess move was something any novice 300 ELO player could do, I'm saying that it's something high-level chess playing humans do all the time and thus shouldn't be good justification for Extraordinary Genius.I'm glad you agree with the EG rating overall and I can try and clarify why the Chess Feat is a valid piece of evidence as part of that. Firstly claiming what he did isn't impressive just because it's possible irl is poor logic. By this logic Olympic athletes don't do anything impressive because what they do is possible for multiple people. So Ayanokouji doing something that ONLY GMs could possibly do is impressive.
Then using chess puzzles and human solutions to them is actually not a great way to compare what Ayanokouji did. This is because Chess Engines and humans think about moves differently (revelation of the century ik) but it actually makes a big difference in how you compare them. Engines evaluate something called move trees where each branch begins with a possible move from a current position and then evaluates different possibilities on each branch and eliminating the ones which it determines to have less value due to a rating system it assigns. It gains no benefits of recognizing patterns and no benefit from a move series. It's experience would come from a database with positions stored which an engine "might" be able to access. However higher depth or access to a database leads to more processing needed and any computer has limits on what it can process. Most puzzles which engines or even Stockfish struggle with fall into such traps where a repeated similar series of moves allows for a checkmate, or a series of easily calculated moves which extend beyond what an engine can calculate. No move is easier or harder for an engine to evaluate since it reliant on the processing power to do so, while for a human the complexity of the position is more important. A GM could easily calculate 40-50+ moves in an endgame while an engine might struggle due to the depth even if each move should be obvious. I say all that to point out how something like Martin with Queens or checkmate puzzles aren't a fully accurate comparison to a live game.
As for the proof for EG rating outperforming computers is specifically mentioned under its criteria and even if it was only 1 time he did outperform a computer 1 time. As such it serves as a valid piece of evidence for supporting his EG rating.
If making just one move better than a supercomputer puts you above the supercomputer, then give Garry an Extraordinary Genius rating because he outsmarted the worlds most advanced chess computer at the time and won against it. How is that not classified as outsmarting a supercomputer but making just 1 move better than one is? If he doesn't classify for extraordinary genius off of litteraly winning against a powerful chess computer, I don't see why Ayano making a singular move better than it would count, even if the engine he's facing is better than Deep Blue.
Also again, you need to actually prove that he was facing a Stockfish level supercomputer. The only suggestion that there was even a chess computer involved in the first place was Ayano's dad saying "we had machines." What machines? Chess engines? Computers? In the anime that isn't even brought up, we just see a room of chess experts sitting around analyzing the game. Hell, Ayano has admitted before that he was being pressed by the one girl I forgot the name of, who is at most Grandmaster level, and that's being generous. Bro was STRESSING against her, and she has no feats suggesting anything superhuman at all.
Plus as Phoenks said earlier, being good at chess doesn't automatically translate to IQ. The 2nd best chess player alive has an IQ of 102. I have a higher IQ than that, yet he would slap the everloving god out of me in chess 1000/1000 games. Even if he's peak human in chess, that doesn't prove that he's suddenly peak human in intelligence.