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Also I should note that what is written for EG is merely just examples, the feats should just be higher than real world human maximum levels.
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5 year old Gru calls his rocket a real rocket, damn that's a very and reliable way of telling me this is a NASA level rocket.that is an assumption. Gru calls it a real rocket, it takes off, it flies off and even has a cabin inside that we can see. We may not know whether it reached orbit but we do know it is a full on rocket that functions and there's no evidence that it didn't reach orbit.
They work well enough and he made the flying machines by himself, we see at the end of the minions that he already had them.
Yet again, this is a major assumption. We know that he orders stuff to be made by Nefario but beyond the stuff Nefario guaranteed made, you have no evidence that Gru didn't make the rest of them, especially the flying machines which he clearly worked on even before Nefario, meaning that he is the one who most likely maintains them. Additionally when Nefario left in DM2 Gru didn't seem to be worried about it at all, not to mention he had no issues when he got cryofrozen in DM3, meaning that he most likely can manage his own inventions very well.
Seems like a you problem.
Extensive doesn't represent his knowledge.He does not have to exactly compare to their feats at all. The page says clearly his knowledge must be extensive across different fields of science, he qualifies for this.
I'm sorry but I'm using official page definitions..and that's what's mainly done for every Intelligence CRT.EG continues to be a misunderstand/undeveloped classification.
Everyone in EG doesn't need to create groundbreaking tech, or measure up to supercomputers. Just knowing a ton in several fields and being smart under pressure is enough.
Considering this 5 year old can build a rocket I'd trust his opinion lmfao5 year old Gru calls his rocket a real rocket, damn that's a very and reliable way of telling me this is a NASA level rocket.
His airship that is capable of space travel and anything that looks like itWhat flying machines are we talking about again?
But then comes the issue that you're the one making claims and you need to prove that they have some credibility. Otherwise we have no evidence that Nefario makes all weapons.And again with the "you don't know this, you don't know that" if I don't know then there's a reason I'm saying it can't be applied.
I'm sorry but I'm using official page definitions..and that's what's mainly done for every Intelligence CRT.
Also I should note that what is written for EG is merely just examples, the feats should just be higher than real world human maximum levels.
I wouldn't..it was a hypothetical launch, he hasn't shown to be making any calculations so idek how he would be able to assess how far the rocket would go.Considering this 5 year old can build a rocket I'd trust his opinion lmfao
His airship that is capable of space travel and anything that looks like it
But then comes the issue that you're the one making claims and you need to prove that they have some credibility. Otherwise we have no evidence that Nefario makes all weapons.
I cringed.
Batman is outdated, Iron Man is difficult because he's super smart (perhaps supergenius?) but updating him would directly upgrade a few people to be above him.Those are probably outdated tbf. Iron Man and Batman have Tier 2/1 prep feats.
Considering it went perfectly straight and seems a lot more powerful than your average model rocket, i'd think it would have went pretty dang high lol. Plus gru didn't have much to work with either, otherwise he would have made his mock astronaut helmet in that scene something more than a cardboard boxI wouldn't..it was a hypothetical launch, he hasn't shown to be making any calculations so idek how he would be able to assess how far the rocket would go.
Says who?LMAO that wasn't Gru's invention it was Dr. Nefario's so yeah no.
Dude, I used burecraut’s words on how EG works on this website.I saw your message thanks, that's why I said "I'm sorry blablabla" @TheOrangeGuy09
lmao that seems like a you problem. To build something like that and have it launch and not blow up you need comperhensive knowledge of rocket science, mechanics, fuel, aerodynamics and more. He had to have learned all that for something like this andhe made it using scrap. If he can confidently say he made a real rocket then that means that he had to have learnt what would constitute a real rocket.I wouldn't..it was a hypothetical launch, he hasn't shown to be making any calculations so idek how he would be able to assess how far the rocket would go.
And yet again there's no evidence it was all Dr. Nefario considering Gru is confident in managing everything by himself and has been working on those specific machines himself since childhood, which means he is more likely to be the one working on themWe've discussed that and it's not clear whether or not he was the own who came up with these kinds of upgrades, Dr. Nefario played a very big part.
First off, we never rely on wikis around these parts unless it is like a list of game equipment or sth.You can just go on the DM wiki, the creator and user of every weapon is listed.
A firework flies straight, and yet it doesn't reach outer space.Considering it went perfectly straight and seems a lot more powerful than your average model rocket, i'd think it would have went pretty dang high lol. Plus gru didn't have much to work with either, otherwise he would have made his mock astronaut helmet in that scene something more than a cardboard box
Says who?
there's a moment in Minions when we see Gru eyeing Nefario's stand at villain con where he is promoting his freeze ray.Says who?
Again with the assumptions.lmao that seems like a you problem. To build something like that and have it launch and not blow up you need comperhensive knowledge of rocket science, mechanics, fuel, aerodynamics and more. He had to have learned all that for something like this andhe made it using scrap. If he can confidently say he made a real rocket then that means that he had to have learnt what would constitute a real rocket.
And yet again there's no evidence it was all Dr. Nefario considering Gru is confident in managing everything by himself and has been working on those specific machines himself since childhood, which means he is more likely to be the one working on them
First off, we never rely on wikis around these parts unless it is like a list of game equipment or sth.
Second, I did see it and all it says is what we see on the screen. Freeze ray? Fart gun? Sure, Nefario made them. But there's no evidence he had a hand in the flying machines, the grumobile, the plasma cannon or anything else.
Gru's rocket was way bigger than a fireworkA firework flies straight, and yet it doesn't reach outer space.
And there.
Ah, okaythere's a moment in Minions when we see Gru eyeing Nefario's stand at villain con where he is promoting his freeze ray.
I was just saying that the fact it was going straight doesn't indicate that it wouldn't fall down at one point. Who knows if he put enough fuel? Who knows if the components didn't fly off during the flight? These are all factors we don't know and as such we can't rely on, we should stick to the feats we are sure of.Gru's rocket was way bigger than a firework
Ah, okay
Still though, Hasn't gru infiltrated high-security places with minimal equipment before? Pretty sure there's something like that in despicable me 4 judging from what others are saying. Thats under extraordinary genius criteria
Assumptions? LMFAO ok bro go build a 15 foot tall metal rocket with a cabin with functioning engines that can propel it perfectly straight and is activated via remote control. Let's see if it works and if you can compare it to a firework after that.Again with the assumptions.
You're the one making more and more assumptions. I am making deductions from what we've seen.And again with the assumptions.
Gru made the prototype for his airship all the way back in the minions. It is more than enough evidence that he was the one working on the vehicles.And yes, there's no evidence of either of them having a hand on a single one of these creations.
Any final thoughts here?
It kinda does. The guy's a worldwide known villain who participates in several big events in the history of villains. Being a villain in the movie requires complex understanding of crimes, what works best in doing their "villainy" and also fighting against other villains. This is like telling a seasoned boxer his knowledge isn't extensive when he's been boxing for three decades AND has done crazy stuff. Then we get into his history when he was in Lycee Pas Bon School, I could be mistaken but he was famous in the school for stealing the principals dog something which we see was even more complex in DM4 when he had several things to worry about and had little tools to work with.Extensive doesn't represent his knowledge.
I've literally been FIGHTING these assumptions, and deductions aren't any better than assumptions, you're basically creating a false reality of what you wish happened.Assumptions? LMFAO ok bro go build a 15 foot tall metal rocket with a cabin with functioning engines that can propel it perfectly straight and is activated via remote control. Let's see if it works and if you can compare it to a firework after that.
You're the one making more and more assumptions. I am making deductions from what we've seen.
Gru made the prototype for his airship all the way back in the minions. It is more than enough evidence that he was the one working on the vehicles.
Its just a 0-1 vote afaik. If the OP wants to keep it open, then it's not rejected until a second mod weighs in.Anyways,
Any final thoughts here?
The thread is basically universally disagreed with by everyone, if you think the recent arguments make the CRT sensible I'd like to hear you. If not, then there's no point in continuing.
we're not sure but it was one of them and since we never see Nefario work on a single vehicle throughout the series while Gru has been shown to create vehicles, it means that he is the one most likely responsible for the airship that can fly to mars.I've literally been FIGHTING these assumptions, and deductions aren't any better than assumptions, you're basically creating a false reality of what you wish happened.
Yes he made the prototype, the design, all the assets, but you need a manufacturer to create it, and again we're not sure if it was him or Dr. Iforgothisname.
Oh, I get it, being a top villain sounds impressive, but it doesn’t mean Gru's a scientific genius. Managing clumsy Minions isn’t exactly high-level tech innovation, and his past antics are more about sneaky tricks than deep scientific knowledge. So, impressive villain? Sure. Extraordinary genius? Not quite.It kinda does. The guy's a worldwide known villain who participates in several big events in the history of villains. Being a villain in the movie requires complex understanding of crimes, what works best in doing their "villainy" and also fighting against other villains. This is like telling a seasoned boxer his knowledge isn't extensive when he's been boxing for three decades AND has done crazy stuff. Then we get into his history when he was in Lycee Pas Bon School, I could be mistaken but he was famous in the school for stealing the principals dog something which we see was even more complex in DM4 when he had several things to worry about and had little tools to work with.
I am unaware of his technologic creations, but considering the minions help in creating stuff, I'd assume Gru informs them on how to do stuff, which again is an intelligence feat on its own since the minions don't speak english, are incredibly clumsy and hard to manage as workers.
could you ping some knowledgeable people then?Its just a 0-1 vote afaik. If the OP wants to keep it open, then it's not rejected until a second mod weighs in.
^^^^^^^^^^Assumptions? LMFAO ok bro go build a 15 foot tall metal rocket with a cabin with functioning engines that can propel it perfectly straight and is activated via remote control. Let's see if it works and if you can compare it to a firework after that.
If it's to impress his mother and he can already make that rocket out of almost nothing without it immediately exploding i doubt that would happen. Plus, YOU'RE the one making "assumptions" by saying that it could have failed even though there's no evidence of it not failing either. That likely wasn't the intent of the scene to begin with.I was just saying that the fact it was going straight doesn't indicate that it wouldn't fall down at one point. Who knows if he put enough fuel? Who knows if the components didn't fly off during the flight? These are all factors we don't know and as such we can't rely on, we should stick to the feats we are sure of.
And yes, I agreed with that criteria.
I made this CRT because it quite literally shocked me that he was en EG, but apparently people are hellbent over the fact that he is, so if people wanna keep it that way sure, just update his proofs.Its just a 0-1 vote afaik. If the OP wants to keep it open, then it's not rejected until a second mod weighs in.
1 single requirement isn't enough I'm pretty sure.^^^^^^^^^^
If it's to impress his mother and he can already make that rocket out of almost nothing without it immediately exploding i doubt that would happen. Plus, YOU'RE the one making "assumptions" by saying that it could have failed even though there's no evidence of it not failing either. That likely wasn't the intent of the scene to begin with.
So gru is EG then if he fits that requirement![]()
Even if it wasn't, you're blatantly ignoring things like the rocket feat to back that up as well. I doubt any irl person has done anything like that at the age of 5, and the cognitive difference between a 5 year old and 9 year old is pretty vast.You grow very quickly in a lot of area's when you're that old, and intelligence is no exception.1 single requirement isn't enough I'm pretty sure.
This is a game of who's gonna make the best assumption, and it's never gonna end so..
I would put that feat in the high-end Genius area, not EG. I just don't see how it would fit into EG anyways.Even if it wasn't, you're blatantly ignoring things like the rocket feat to back that up as well. I doubt any irl person has done anything like that at the age of 5, and the cognitive difference between a 5 year old and 9 year old is pretty vast.You grow very quickly in a lot of area's when you're that old, and intelligence is no exception.
Does this look like something a prodigy 9 year old irl could make?I would put that feat in the high-end Genius area, not EG. I just don't see how it would fit into EG anyways.
Again, again, again, again, again! Being a scientific genius isn't what's needed for EG. Being several things qualifies for EG, especially when he's one of the top scientist and villains in his verse.Oh, I get it, being a top villain sounds impressive, but it doesn’t mean Gru's a scientific genius. Managing clumsy Minions isn’t exactly high-level tech innovation, and his past antics are more about sneaky tricks than deep scientific knowledge. So, impressive villain? Sure. Extraordinary genius? Not quite.
Oh so that's what you were talking about! He hasn't been shown to actually make it but good night! Sleep well.Anyways I won't continue entertaining this thread. I've stated my piece already. I have no reason to continue arguing with "its all assumptions" "no its not assumptions".
I would like to add that around the same time he made the model rocket he also made this flying machine, meaning that he very much knew what he was doing.
I am going to sleep. Good night.
His verse is relatively weak in terms of villains, let's not lie now...Again, again, again, again, again! Being a scientific genius isn't what's needed for EG. Being several things qualifies for EG, especially when he's one of the top scientist and villains in his verse.
The only other person gru had in his life at the time was his mom and she was very uninterested in anything he did. I doubt he made it with someones help.Oh so that's what you were talking about! He hasn't been shown to actually make it but good night! Sleep well.
That's right, but I'm gonna use the A-word.The only other person gru had in his life at the time was his mom and she was very uninterested in anything he did. I doubt he made it with someones help.
That's right, but I'm gonna use the A-word.
This was fun, but I've gotta sleep too, I hope that when I wake up this thread will be done![]()
Sleep well, but you didn't answer the questionDoes this look like something a prodigy 9 year old irl could make all on their own?
You're lying... But that's fine. goodnightHis verse is relatively weak in terms of villains, let's not lie now...