Downgrade Gru's intelligence

[Arceus0x]

Then we have the fact that he seemingly has hacking skills (somehow made up a real resume for himself in a resume site, making his minions write out his info live whilst in a different location. Minions do not know hacking by themselves, meaning he had to teach them that as well).

In the first movie Gru was able to somehow locate a secret military base in china/korea where they held top secret weapon testing. He infiltrated national airspace without being noticed, broke into the lab, stole their weapon and got away with ease. Nefario works on inventions for the most part, not to mention he was somewhat senile by this point, making me doubt that it was him who located it, meaning that Gru had to have done it all himself.

Then there's the fact that he was able to go unbothered by the AVL for a solid 40 years after appearing on their radar. The AVL was active for ages and been actively chasing notable villains. Gru was able to be a villain since early childhood and was able to not leave traces behind so well that he never got caught until after he stopped being a villain.

 

[wwereymy235]

 

[Hixkaryana]

Yeah OP is a complete piece of something stinky, you could’ve at the very least just compare Gru’s justifications to EG requirements.

LMAO

 

[Hixkaryana]

Then we have the fact that he seemingly has hacking skills (somehow made up a real resume for himself in a resume site, making his minions write out his info live whilst in a different location. Minions do not know hacking by themselves, meaning he had to teach them that as well).

In the first movie Gru was able to somehow locate a secret military base in china/korea where they held top secret weapon testing. He infiltrated national airspace without being noticed, broke into the lab, stole their weapon and got away with ease. Nefario works on inventions for the most part, not to mention he was somewhat senile by this point, making me doubt that it was him who located it, meaning that Gru had to have done it all himself.

Then there's the fact that he was able to go unbothered by the AVL for a solid 40 years after appearing on their radar. The AVL was active for ages and been actively chasing notable villains. Gru was able to be a villain since early childhood and was able to not leave traces behind so well that he never got caught until after he stopped being a villain.

And none of this is enough to make him
an EG.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

LMAO

..?

 

[Hixkaryana]

..?

What kind of crazy person would write that in serious intentions?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

What kind of crazy person would write that in serious intentions?

Probably a guy who doesn’t want a CRT with shit OP

 

[Arkenis]

And none of this is enough to make him
an EG.

It is though.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Genius: Individuals with an exceptional capacity for knowledge and intelligence, usually in one area of varying depth. This level of intellect is the level of real-world geniuses, polymaths, and genuinely extremely prominent intellectuals, and, in the absence of better feats, should be the default intelligence category for fictional characters with exceptional or superhuman intelligence.

Extraordinary Genius: Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits. At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology, executing complex strategies even under high pressure, outperforming supercomputers,[1] and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations. This is where super scientists of exceptional scientific knowledge begin to appear.

Building an inter-planetary rocket capable at age five with random debris would be a EQ feat rather than a G feat.

Unless you can provide evidence that someone IRL can replicate a freeze gun or a inter-planetary rocket.

 

[Hixkaryana]

M'kay I'm gonna write something let me know what you think!

Infiltrating a super villain school with nothing but diapers and baby powder or breaking into high-security locations like Baltasar Bratt’s fortress, clearly show his skill in executing complex strategies under pressure, these are primarily examples of his tactical and improvisational genius rather than deep scientific mastery. His ability to quickly devise plans, even in unexpected situations, and his knack for using minimal resources creatively are impressive but fall into high-level genius and adaptability, not necessarily the groundbreaking intelligence that defines an Extraordinary Genius.

Gru’s technology, including his miniature rockets and interplanetary travel upgrades, is indeed advanced and far beyond real-world tech, but much of his success in these areas is shared with !!!!Dr. Nefario!!!!, who plays a significant role in developing these futuristic devices. Even his childhood feat of building a small rocket is incredible but doesn’t necessarily demonstrate broad, multi-disciplinary expertise; it highlights his early passion for engineering, which is a singular scientific field.

The argument that being skilled in many scientific disciplines because of his various inventions and his complex lair construction suggests he has a good grasp of multiple fields, but we don’t see him operating at a superhuman level of knowledge across diverse scientific domains like an Extraordinary Genius would. His chemistry skills, while quite impressive, are limited to the creation of specific weapons that could be possibly replicable rather than groundbreaking, expansive scientific contributions. Furthermore, while he is skilled in combat and infiltration, these talents are more about physical prowess and tactical intelligence rather than exceeding intellectual limits.

Overall, Gru’s intelligence shines in strategic planning, engineering, and adaptation, but he doesn’t exhibit the perfect grasp and mastery of multiple scientific fields,yes, Gru demonstrates broad intelligence across biology, physics, and chemistry, evident in his inventive weaponry. But certainly not on a level that outperforms supercomputers, or the ability to predict complex outcomes with sheer mental calculation that define an Extraordinary Genius. His achievements, while impressive, are grounded in the realm of human genius rather than transcending it.

Now if we dive into the explanation that was given in the page; "(Built a prototype rocket when he was a child, capable of using complex invention such as the freeze ray and Shrink Ray after only seeing them being used once, outsmarted and evaded the Vicious Six as a child, likely built his entire underground secret lair along with Doctor Nefario."

I'm not seeing a single argument that fits the EG category here, "Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits." Not even mentioned once, only Dr. Nefario's creations are mentioned which would let us believe in scientific multidisciplinary good knowledge, but it's not Gru's, it's Dr. Nefario's..

"At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology." Well not really, again these are mainly Dr. Nefario's inventions, Gru has some inventions of his known but they're not futuristic at all, he built a skyrocket and a kind of advanced transportation vehicle.

"Executing complex strategies even under high pressure" I'll give him that, he's shown to be still doing extremely well in tense and hostile environments, being creative with his approach in how to defeat whatever he has to defeat.

"Outperforming supercomputers,[1] and even accurately predicting the future through sheer mental calculations." This shouldn't be discussed, he's nowhere near it, and never predicted the future.

 

[Arkenis]

Gru meets this first qualification

Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits.

Gru meets the second one

At this level, many are capable of creating extremely advanced futuristic technology,

And he meets this

executing complex strategies even under high pressure,

I think this crt can be closed.

 

[Arkenis]

I'm not seeing a single argument that fits the EG category here, "Individuals whose knowledge spreads over multiple fields of science and who vastly surpass the real world's upper human limits." Not even mentioned once, only Dr. Nefario's creations are mentioned which would let us believe in scientific multidisciplinary good knowledge, but it's not Gru's, it's Dr. Nefario's..

The amount of tech he's built would show he's got extensive knowledge in different science.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Building an inter-planetary rocket capable at age five with random debris would be a EQ feat rather than a G feat.

Unless you can provide evidence that someone IRL can replicate a freeze gun or a inter-planetary rocket.

"The Boy Who Played with Fusion tells the extraordinary story of science prodigy Taylor Wilson. By the age of nine, Taylor had mastered the science of rocket propulsion." I found that, 4 years older but seems fair enough.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Snip

What was the problem to write that all in the OP since the beginning, you wouldn’t have so much complaint rn if you did so

And btw I disagree with the downgrade FRA

 

[Hixkaryana]

What was the problem to write that all in the OP since the beginning, you wouldn’t have so much complaint rn if you did so

I said I was gonna do it later, I was busy when I was answering all these complaints..

 

[Hixkaryana]

Gru meets this first qualification


Gru meets the second one


And he meets this


I think this crt can be closed.

Not really, he made a skyrocket, which isn't a groundbreaking invention surpassing the real world's human limit.
His car was made with A BIG help of Dr. Nefario, every futuristic aspect of it isn't thanks to Gru's efforts.
The only criteria he meets is the pressure management, other than that I can't say that Gru would be an EG.

 

[Arkenis]

Not really, he made a skyrocket, which isn't a groundbreaking invention surpassing the real world's human limit.

It is? the majority of the world can't make a skyrocket and don't learn till they're in college or older.

His car was made with A BIG help of Dr. Nefario, every futuristic aspect of it isn't thanks to Gru's efforts.

Yet he helped make it. Doesn't matter if someone helped lmao.

The only criteria he meets is the pressure management, other than that I can't say that Gru would be an EG.

Wrong.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Yet he helped make it. Doesn't matter if someone helped lmao.

It is? the majority of the world can't make a skyrocket and don't learn till they're in college or older.

Do you have any proof at all that he was the one that made the futuristic aspects of it, because that would be the only requirement for him to be accepted in that criteria.

I just quoted one IRL that could do it too.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Do you have any proof at all that he was the one that made the futuristic aspects of it, because that would be the only requirement for him to be accepted in that criteria.

Do you have proof Dr. Nefario was the one that made the futuristic aspects?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Do you have proof Dr. Nefario was the one that made the futuristic aspects?

No? But am I scaling Dr. Nefario right now? I don't think so. So it's not a reliable feat.

 

[DaReaperMan]

No? But am I scaling Dr. Nefario right now? I don't think so. So it's not a reliable feat.

Both could've done it hix.

For all we knew, they specifically worked together on it.

2/3 times it's a qualifier for EG

 

[Arkenis]

Do you have any proof at all that he was the one that made the futuristic aspects of it, because that would be the only requirement for him to be accepted in that criteria.

How else would he have gotten the parts?

 

[Hixkaryana]

Both could've done it hix.

For all we knew, they specifically worked together on it.

2/3 times it's a qualifier for EG

And one could've done it more than the other? We have serious context clues that most of Gru's used weaponry and equipment was made by Dr. Nefario, it's not like they're 50/50 partners on the scientific side, it's always been said that Gru was the user and Dr. Nefario was the creator.

 

[Hixkaryana]

How else would he have gotten the parts?

We literally don't know, and we can't make assumptions for scaling. (Thought it can be heavily supposed that he stole them, that's all he's doing all day every day)

 

[DaReaperMan]

And one could've done it more than the other? We have serious context clues that most of Gru's used weaponry and equipment was made by Dr. Nefario, it's not like they're 50/50 partners on the scientific side, it's always been said that Gru was the user and Dr. Nefario was the creator.

And doe this one, Gru explicitly helped make this particular instance of crap. If you don't want this to be a qualifier, prove that Gru had no hand whatsoever in making the futuristic bits.

 

[Hixkaryana]

And doe this one, Gru explicitly helped make this particular instance of crap. If you don't want this to be a qualifier, prove that Gru had no hand whatsoever in making the futuristic bits.

I'd rather have you prove that he made them than me prove that he didn't.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'd rather have you prove that he made them than me prove that he didn't.

Both could've done it hix.

For all we knew, they specifically worked together on it.

2/3 times it's a qualifier for EG

Oops! Seems more likely then not he had at the very least a hand in it.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I feel like helping Dr. Nefario is more supportive. If that was all — sure, nuke EG. But it just further supports already existing Gru’s EG feats.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Oops! Seems more likely then not he had at the very least a hand in it.

I'm still not seeing actual concrete proof..and also why are we debating on such intangible feats?

 

[Hixkaryana]

But it just further supports already existing Gru’s EG feats.

And what feats are those..

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

And what feats are those..

Smth smth what Arceus and Quasef said

 

[Arkenis]

I'm still not seeing actual concrete proof..and also why are we debating on such intangible feats?

U brought it up?

 

[Hixkaryana]

U brought it up?

We were talking about his inventions, I'm saying we can't use the car feat because we don't know how Gru participated in its creation, then somehow DaReaperMan started talking philosophy.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm still not seeing actual concrete proof..and also why are we debating on such intangible feats?

On a 66.6667% range, Gru can easily be EG from this feat while on a 33.3333% shot he wouldn't be. One of these is much more likely then the other as you can see.

 

[Hixkaryana]

Smth smth what Arceus and Quasef said

I've already said that they're not enough, for Quasef I've quoted an IRL child and for Arceus it's just up there.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I've already said that they're not enough, for Quasef I've quoted an IRL child and for Arceus it's just up there.

An Admin>you on this thread I'm afraid

 

[Hixkaryana]

On a 66.6667% range, Gru can easily be EG from this feat while on a 33.3333% shot he wouldn't be. One of these is much more likely then the other as you can see.

Where are these percentages coming from lmao? What are the possible variables?
1- Dr. Nefario did everything on the scientific aspect.
2- Dr. Nefario didn't do everything on the scientific aspect.
That's a 50/50 chance.

 

[Hixkaryana]

An Admin>you on this thread I'm afraid

He asked for someone around this age that could do the same as Gru, I provided, so where are you coming from...

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

He asked for someone around this age that could do the same as Gru, I provided, so where are you coming from...

Doing insane shit in 5 years old >>>> doing it in 9 years old

 

[Hixkaryana]

Doing insane shit in 5 years old >>>> doing it in 9 years old

Meh they're both children, it's not like I'm comparing a college student to a preschooler.