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Doom vs Cain (seriously)

The question is: can Doom manage to get around the Mark in order to win?
 
Quoting DT:

"On one side those that believe that Cain has not proven to reflect anything but physical harm and that Lucifer not taking care of Cain in other ways is due to outside influence (The Presence would probably slap him for it, if he tried to be clever) or PIS. Meaning that Cain can easily be beaten by non-harmful incapacitation.

On the other side those that believe Lucifer not taking care of Cain means that pretty much anything that would incapacitate him in any way would be counted as harm and would hence in some way be reflected x7 via the Presence's power.

And I don't think any of the groups is willing to move from their position, so we probably have to settle that in some way that doesn't need unanimous agreement."

I take you are from the second group.
 
""On one side those that believe that Cain has not proven to reflect anything but physical harm and that Lucifer not taking care of Cain in other ways is due to outside influence (The Presence would probably slap him for it, if he tried to be clever) or PIS. Meaning that Cain can easily be beaten by non-harmful incapacitation."

Lucifer himselfs would by default attack on the conceptual level, it's basic knowledge lol, and the Mark doesn't just reflect any form of damage, It reflects them with / different events. Like, Let's say you slap Cain, Tomorrow you'll get stabbed, hit by a lightining bolt, put in a coma, become mckmal, etc.

On another note, He also has his type 8 immortality from Dream who should also be above baseline. There's also this thing where if Doom even manages to kill Cain he might just end up Insane in the end so.
 
>Incap on this scale.

Cain is 9-B. You dont have to incap Dream.
 
"

>Incap on this scale."

>Any form of damage or hax will be reflected

Y'all really think Lucifer's mind was only solely set on physically attacking him, and not trying to incap him in any way when it was made clear he couldn't lift a finger against Cain?
 
I'm gonna repeat what I said.

The mark has no showings of reflecting anything other than physical harm. Its NLF to assume it does. If anything, they don't do it for fear of offending the Presence.

Also, the 7x Reflection is the only thing passive about it. The Presence killing the offender isn't. He caused the death of Judge Gallows via several weird disasters afterwards and over some unspecified time.

If Presence's intervention isn't passive, its outside help.

Also, I assume the Old Man is still salty after being tricked by Constantine
 
"

The mark has no showings of reflecting anything other than physical harm. Its NLF to assume it does. If anything, they don't do it for fear of offending the Presence.

Also, the 7x Reflection is the only thing passive about it. The Presence killing the offender isn't. He caused the death of Judge Gallows via several weird disasters afterwards and over some unspecified time."

"Lucifer himselfs would by default attack on the conceptual level, it's basic knowledge lol, and the Mark doesn't just reflect any form of damage, It reflects them with / different events. Like, Let's say you slap Cain, Tomorrow you'll get stabbed, hit by a lightining bolt, put in a coma, become mckmal, etc."

"

Y'all really think Lucifer's mind was only solely set on physically attacking him, and not trying to incap him in any way when it was made clear he couldn't lift a finger against Cain?"

time wouldn't really matter as long as it meets SBA qualifications
 
If Lucifer incaps Cain, Presence will come and spank him afterwards. Also, Cain isn't immune to being incapped, cuz in that scan on Cain's profile, Cain was bound/restrained by something and Lucifer had to tell his lackeys to unbind him else daddy will be upset.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
If Lucifer incaps Cain, Presence will come and spank him afterwards. Also, Cain isn't immune to being incapped, cuz in that scan on Cain's profile, Cain was bound/restrained by something and Lucifer had to tell his lackeys to unbind him else daddy will be upset.
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That wouldn't just apply to the presence, look at his profile again

Restrained by?
 
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