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Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 4

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Just an update, there is currently wide spread talk about changing the soul/mind hax scaling from quantity to quality. Doomguy would still scale to the soul manipulation of Hell, yes I does take eons for it to reach its full potency but doomguy was there for eons so it would scale. On the quality scale it would be high because the soul absorbs, kills and corrupts the victim. I think his soul hax resistance would be an important addition. So I will keep an eye on those talks of changing measurement of soul hax.
 
So what you are saying is Doomguy would scale to low 1-C soul manipulation/corruption?

Wonderful.

Besides that.Can we come to a collective agreement about the low 7-C shenanigans so we can move past that?
 
I am against scaling Sentinels to Titans.
  1. There is no statement that they fought Titans on foot, only that they fought swarms of demons on land after their Atlan mechs ran out of fuel
  2. It is pretty explicit that the conventional weapons are useless against Titans, with the only known effective weapons being the Doom Slayer's Crucible and the Atlan mechs
  3. Night Sentinel ventured into the Blood Swamps as a challenge, and died to non-Titan enemies
  4. "Night Sentinels" are the protectors of Argenta (the Sentinel race), there is no other organized warrior caste for Argent D'Nur as far as we know
 
@ShadowWhoWalks

1.Two statements actually.1 being the on foot,the other is an codex talking about how they slayed the ancestrals before the time of the Maykrs and the wraiths.

2.Convential weapons within the UAC’s arsenal. Not superhuman elite warriors by the 100’s.

3.That was a foot soldier.

4.Not exactly a different warrior caste per se,simply stronger and better soldiers within the sentinel’s own army.Basically,look for the dudes with green armor and that look like the slayer/marauder.Those with orange patch like the Slayer’s are the ones who would be low 7-C due to their feats against the ancestrals.
 
While the Sentinels managed to drive back the Ancestrals with sword (no evidence that a Sentinel won't get crushed by a direct hit or that they didn't climb and exploit a weakpoint), they were still incapable of damaging a Titan when Hell invaded, and were saved by the Doom Slayer after his amp.

As the Black Star ascended to its zenith, King Novik sat restless on his throne as a howling darkness began to assemble just beyond the Mountain Rise to the East. The Blight came upon us in droves, flooding forth from the Hell Gate with merciless fury. They brought with them a monstrous Titan, the Dreadnought, a beast to rival the stature and menace of even the mightiest Ancestral. The grotesque giant laid waste to all before him, crushing all in his path. This was a total demonic assault, striking at the heart of Argent D'Nur as never before. How was it that the behemoth could pass through the demonic gate without warning? We would never know, though the Night Sentinels believed treason was at play.

Caught off guard, the Sentinels scrambled late in defiance of the Titan and his horde, and with his coming the holy city of Taras Nabad prepared for judgement. With the onslaught of the demons massed in the sprawling shadow of the abhorrent fiend, the city shook to its foundation. None were spared, save those that fled north. The vile swarm ransacked our temples and palaces, burning our towers and feasting on the souls of our clergy.

Yet the Night Sentinels rallied, and held fast against the demons, though they were pushed back and corralled at the Blood Arena. As the dark of night descended their swords remained potent, and shred the enemy multitude with abandon. Amidst the unyielding ranks of the Sentinels, when all other apprentices had fallen in battle, stood the Outlander. 'Rip and Tear' he roared, ferocious in battle. The remaining conscripts of the Arena stood in awe as they witnessed the beast who had once raged within their very cells, now armored alongside the shoulders of Sentinel brethren. He had risen where none other had before, a trueborn Sentinel fighter - the very best among them.

But though the swarm fell before their assault, the Titan remained invincible, for none could tame the behemoth alone.

In the hours before dawn, as the Night Sentinels weathered the relentless assault, the Outlander held his ground at the foot of the great wall in the northern bend of the castle. Seeing his unending vigor, Samur, chancellor to the Mother God, hurried the Outlander away under veil of secrecy and, for reason unknown, submitted him to a rite untold. This was heresy, for Samur received no consent from the Khan Maykr nor did he receive her council. In the Chapel of Purity the Outlander submitted himself to the Divinity Machine. There Samur Maykr, the seraphim known to us only as the aide to the Mother God, blessed the Outlander with fierce speed and power to match his will. It was the method by which this transfusion took place that was most uncertain to us, for we were of the knowledge that the Maykr device bestowed onto the Argenta so many generations ago was to be used by the Priests only to find the impurity among us. How could it be that the device that was meant to cull the Sentinel breed of its contaminants could then be used to purify the Outlander's body, and give rise to the one who would lead us into battle henceforth?

What rose from the holy coffin on that fateful day was not the impure abomination the covenant warned us of; the hero within would come to be known only as the Great Slayer, the time walker, the warrior Khan whose fire-sword would blaze forth a path for the just and cut through the demonic horde with a vengeance that only a God King could summon. He rose unbroken by the Ritual, his eyes burning with Maykr magic. He took the Crucible in his hand, and Wraith-fire leapt forth from the blade, as only it will when held by a true Sentinel warrior king.

In our darkest hour, the Slayer had been chosen. Defying tradition, our most sacred laws and the will of the great Khan herself, a Stranger to our lands had been blessed with celestial might.
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So yes, Atlan mechs are the only weapon we've seen from the Sentinel that can kill Titans. There is no evidence that they have any hand-held weaponry that can harm a Titan.

The Night Sentinel wearing the white high-tech armor are elite guards, not foot soldiers. I imagine quite a few powerful Sentinel warriors would undergo the dangerous trial to meet and revive the god they worship. They all failed.

The Blood Swamps stretch across miles of Hell, a festering bog of disease and acidic rain. Towering above the mire, Ingmore's Sanctum rises into the clouds, a solitary vision of Hell's ancient past. Here the Father decreed his wisdom and oversaw his works, and it is here that his life sphere is interred. The Sanctum serves as a mausoleum of Gods, the sanctity of the spheres protected by the ancient ritual known as the Trial of Maligog.

During the Unholy Crusade, Night Sentinels would journey alone into the swamps attempting to overcome the Trial and reach the rumored resting place of the great Creator. None succeeded. Legends among the Argenta state that their spirits remain near the grounds of the Trial, bound to it eternally, waiting to witness the one who will be granted passage.
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There are ranks within the Night Sentinel and they have different armors, but they are all part of the same organization and even the lower ranks are called Night Sentinels. Commander Valen (The Betrayer) had orange on his shoulder, but he is not Titan level as the entirety of the Night Sentinel were incapable of harming a Titan before the Doom Slayer recieved his blessing and before Atlans were invented.
 
@ShadowWhoWalks

That was a special Titan blessed by the magic of hell.

The dreadnought was the strongest Titan both in hell and out of it.Thus not even the strongest Ancestrals(also titans)could compare.It states that in the passage you posted.

menace of even the mightiest Ancestral.
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While I do agree with your weakpoint thing that would still scale to low 7-C.Since they aren’t fully comparable to titans by themselves.

There are ranks within the Night Sentinel and they have different armors, but they are all part of the same organization and even the lower ranks are called Night Sentinels. Commander Valen (The Betrayer) had orange on his shoulder, but he is not Titan level as the entirty of the Night Sentinel were incapable of harming a Titan before the Doom Slayer recieved his blessing and before Atlans were invented.
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Commander Valen wouldn’t be comparable on his own to an ancestral,but a legion of warriors like him would be.Thus ending up with a low 7-C against the Titan’s 7-C.

I’ll need some sauce on the night sentinels being elite guard.They are skilled sure,but not as much as the better among them (Commander Valen,Marauders,pre-divinity Doomslayer,Warrior King Novik,etc).
 
Let’s not forget that doom’s in lore scaling is kind of erratic. We are never going to get rock solid scaling in doom we just have to choose the most likely option.
 
I thought the argent tower re calc would be 7-C. Also the reasoning for not scaling doomguy to the argent cell absorption feat is completely arbitrary. The only other solid points is that absorption feats are usually far above the actual tier of the person but in this case it’s not.
 
@DTG499

Can you please save the absorption discussion for later, I'd rather we stick to the more concrete issues. Yes, the Argent Tower feat is 7-C, but I'm just talking about bare minimums for now.
 
Yes. We really need to push for sticking to one topic at a time, or we're gonna get nowhere.
 
1. Not scaling the absorption still doesn’t make may sense.
2. I’m the only one bringing up topics here, if you guys want to talk about something else by all means bring it up.
 
We've agreed to go down the list in order for now. Lets stick to that if we can.

@Firestorm you can cross off the Demon abilities section in the OP, we've finished that and it's been applied.
 
I agree with the low 7-C

Instead of 7-C doomguy,we should just add a stomping chain.Pre divinity doomguy is normal low 7C, Doomguy normally would just stomp the low 7-C rating
 
Transcending Space-Time isn't enough to grant a Tier because of how vague it is. I know that sounds dumb, but that's how it works here.
 
It said countless Universe, not infinite. Though it does say that it is unlimited by the boundaries of time, space, and dimension. But Ultima later sound that sounded too vague, but it could be interpreted as 2-A. But it needs to be stated that it's a realm above and beyond those infinite timelines to be Low 1-C, not just transcend.
 
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"It sound countless Universe, not infinite"
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Within the infinite conscious-matrix of the all-seeing Maykr God-mind, there exists every potentiality - every predictive variable of possible future timeline - each one known to the Maykr collective with omniscient, inextricable clarity. The God-mind surveys these timelines, watching them form and expand exponentially like fractal patterns in the fabric of existence. Among these infinite possibilities, only one constant appears among them, unchanged by the flowing data of endless variability - that of the prophesied Destroyer - the one who would bring about the destruction of the Maykrs.
It's infinite.

"Though it does say that it is unlimited by the boundaries of time, space, and dimension. But Ultima later sound that sounded too vague, but it could be interpreted as 2-A."
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It's also said to transcend space-time what.
Not to mention it's called a timeless realm and is casually unbound by that stuff

"But it needs to be stated that it's a realm above and beyond those infinite timelines to be Low 1-C, not just transcend."
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Transcend: to rise above or go beyond
What do you think transcending is?
 
what?
where did you get the 280 KT or 1.12 MT
qnslaught is a 4 times increase so it would be 28 KT or 112 KT
and berserk is up in the air on how big the power increase is
 
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