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Doom Eternal Revision Thread Part 4
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At this point in time, we are keeping the power ups as just higher, no multipliers.
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We don't treat damage multipliers as AP multipliers; DontTalkDT went over in detail that 2x damage per hit =/= 2x energy yield.
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ok so we are just sticking to at least 7-C then
good i honestly didn't like useing quad as a way to increase doom slayers tier
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Since there have been no major objections, I'll be making the revisions later today.
Since there have been no major objections, I'll be making the revisions later today.
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The battery example still doesn't hold up for me; while there is evidence the pool of energy was absorbed into him, and it did amp his strength. There's no proof that every punch Doomguy throws used up all that energy. And as for durability, it's only evidence he can withstand a Town level electric shock, not a 7-C punch to the face. Which is going to be revised eventually.
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Since we're talking about DOOM again, what do you y'all think of Panic Button being able to get DOOM Eternal running on Switch?
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We're not using the Argent Cache feat for the 7-C scaling. We're using the Argent Tower feat. Do you have any objections?
We're not using the Argent Cache feat for the 7-C scaling. We're using the Argent Tower feat. Do you have any objections?
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When it’s in conjunction with other 7-C feats I don’t see why it wouldn’t be good supporting evidence.
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How tho
Especially when so many other 7-C feats have issyes
I can live with “X Tier, likely 7-C” ThO since that’s the only way we’re getting anywhere
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Honestly I think we should just move on from this topic.Low 7-C likely 7-C should work just fine.
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Kings main point about doomguy not being 7-C was that he was incapped by the blood temple falling on him. The blood temple collapse is far lower than the titan in terms of AP, so he wouldn’t scale to the titan.
Mics retort was that since doomguy was in the sarcophagus for eons that another titan would have every opportunity to kill doomguy while he was passed out. But they didn’t, rather they couldn’t.
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Because he is the biggest threat to your species and is capable of completely wrecking billions of demons.
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Why wouldn’t they kill him then? Hell and it’s demons are clearly blood thirsty, they have him trapped why wouldn’t a Titan just step on him while he’s asleep?
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Which is why they sealed him
Considering his reputation no Demon may have wanted to go near him
You also haven't explained why this Small Town level character has so many limits below what you imply
Why would they need to?
They sealed him away for god knows how long and he was only freed by the intervention of Hayden
In the same sense why would Slayer be so casually Low 7-C and have so many low ends in comparision to that
Like I'm willing to compromise a Likely but screw a straight up 7-C
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Because there would still be the chance of him escaping just like what happened. The hell priests still knew Samur was still out there. Hell never takes prisoners they only kill everyone everything in sight why would doomguy be any different?
The reason is that they could not kill him. The titans could not harm him. He is 7-C.
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Not really
It took thousands of years for him to be freed by external forces and no one knew what Sam was doing
There's no reason to not go for the imprisonment
"Why would Doomguy be different?"
Do you realise this is the same person who is revered as "The Hellwalker", "The Great Slayer" and "The Destroyer"?
He is very clearly a good bit above the average fodder Hell kills and the Testaments alone make this abundantly clear
And again I love you are consistently ignoring the many low ends that go against Town Level Doom Slayer
If he's casually 7-C why does he not simply tear apart the tendrils at ARC Complex?
Why does he need the Crucible to injure/kill Titans?
Why is he incapacitated by a falling building?
Why is he stunned by an oil explosion?
Why does he need weapons at all if for thousands of years he's been casually above the strongest demons Hell has to offer?
You could dismiss a few as gameplay/PIS but there's still too many for that to work and this is ignoring this is just what I came up with off the top of my head
I'm sure there are more showings that imply this too so the question starts to become is this Plot or are these instances consistent limitations to what he can do?
Again I'm fine with a Likely 7-C but I stand firmly against just outright 7-C given the arguments for doing so
And in fact I'm pretty sure quite a few users agreed on this until Fire argued no one took issue with it
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Because he didn’t have stable ground to actually hold himself on.The room where he was in didn’t even explode lmao.It just shook a bit.
Those were special titans called dreadnoughts blessed by special magic and were infathomaly more powerful than even the toughest ancestrals (the original titans).They could also ressurect without the sealing effect of the crucible.
Because it’s an FPS.It wouldn’t be DOOM without it.Do you really expect for this to be a First person slasher,punching game rather than a shooter?
No on is agreeing to casually 7-C.He’s just 7-C/low 7-C.Also the level would have been extremely short if he just did that.With that same logic,why does Doomguy need key cards? He can just punch through doors since he is 9-B.
Mic has also made very good arguments for a low 7-C thingy in which most agree.Please take the time and read the previous messages.
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Another thing to note is that Hugo said they were taking a different approach compared to 2016 with Eternal.They were originally going for a more grounded/vulnerable approach for the Doomslayer(hence the death animations).However completely swapped that around for a power fantasy in the newer games.
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Watch the video
He's clearly not just losing balance
1) Yes the featless Ancestrals whom we never even see and thus can't apply GPE
2) That's not a good argument I'm sorry?
Sure you could justify a few under this but considering the amount of limits to the Slayer in lore (Blood Temples) this clearly isn't just a gameplay thing
Again these seem more like conscious limitations to the character
Nice strawman
I'm arguing against 7-C since the feats aren't concrete and we have lore limitations far below this
Again I can live with a compromise but **** straight up 7-C
That means nothing
If the feats straight up don't line up with what you're saying it doesn't matter what the tone of the game is
GOW completely changed tone with the newest entry with a greater focus on grounding and humanizing Kratos but there's still tectonic level feats present that he'd scale to
Assassins' Creed (Initially) was a relatively grounded story about shadow wars through history and yet there are a plethora of Small Building level feats
Batman is intended to be a regular ass human but basically every version of him is some degree of Superhuman
Grounding can have an impact on how strong a verse is but it straight up doesn't mean a verse becomes several hundred times stronger by default
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We know they should be comparable to the titans since that is what they are.Titans,the codex states that several times.They should match up with the Hell Barge’s GPE.
He honestly looks like he’s just holding on to the floor as to not lose balance.He gets up and is just fine after.
Neither is your gun thing.It’s an FPS.I don’t know what else to say.Doomguy is mostly only shown using his double barrel in every piece art/media/cutscene either way.Most of the guns are likely just clearing out fodder demons with better efficiency.
I wouldn’t mind a likely either,
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Looking at the video, it's clear that the Slayer didn't care about the self-destruct sequence as it was counting down, and there's no indication of injury after it, just him getting off the ground. The detonation process shows the entire facility sinking more on one end.
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We would like your thoughts on my proposed scaling based on the new Titan and the Argent Tower calcs.
We would like your thoughts on my proposed scaling based on the new Titan and the Argent Tower calcs.
- Low 7-C
- Normal Titans
- At least 7-C
- Doom Slayer 2016
- At Least 7-C, likely higher
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I'm not
I'm pointing out we agreed on an at least X Tier, likely Low 7-C situation
I'd also hardly say you;re in a position to judge stalling
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This CRT right now
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And I suggest not to change from the compromise this thread already came to
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We never came to compromise. Mic proved that doomguy was 7-C.
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yeah most of us agreed on at least 9-A possibly/likely 7-C
its just the three of you guys who want a flat out 7-C doom guy
its just the three of you guys who want a flat out 7-C doom guy
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me,hellbeast, king of negativity, schnee_one and medeus seems to also not be too sure about the flat out 7-C
and then there is shadow who talks who disagrees with low 7-C sentinals
so thats at least 5v4
or 6v4
and then there is shadow who talks who disagrees with low 7-C sentinals
so thats at least 5v4
or 6v4
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king hasn't lost the argument we came to a compromise aka at least 9-A possibly 7-C then he left since you know we are liteally arguing with very subjective and plot hole fild lore thats it my man
because we can go on for another month and a half arguing sementics or we can just go with a compromise of at least 9-A possibly 7-C where everyone wins
because we can go on for another month and a half arguing sementics or we can just go with a compromise of at least 9-A possibly 7-C where everyone wins
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