Doctor Who Upgrades

[BlaLig]

Doctor who upper echelons should have High 1-B rating. Mainly to upgrade Guardians of Time and Grace (since there's no page for Lampreys yet)


TARDIS Wiki :

[The omniverse consisted of infinite dimensions, and Lampreys were capable of devouring entire multiverses within the omniverse. (PROSE: Spiral Scratch)]


[Imagine, if you will, a vortex. A really powerful vortex that drags into itself anything that comes into its trajectory. A vortex made up of an infinite number of well, levels for want of a better description. And if they seem to diminish as they get towards the bottom of the vortex, rest assured, it's an illusion. For this vortex has no bottom. It is, being constructed of chronon energy, and thus temporal in nature, endless. Eternal. Bottomless, topless, middleless. It is neither linear not multifaceted in existence. It is completely unique and is, theoretically, situated at the centre of creation. Of course, in a multiverse that expands exponentially and is unfixed and infinite in nature, a 'centre' is a theoretical and practical impossibility For millennia, scholars have tried to fathom the true nature of what they have come to refer to as 'The Spiral'. They have failed because, of course, they cannot tell whether each time they examine the Spiral they are seeing it exponentially or randomly.]

Possibly quote that TARDIs wiki mentioned


And Guardians of Time Are described as above Lampreys.

['There are some powers in the omniverse that can do anything. The Guardians, for example. The only things that bind them are codes of conduct, civil laws designed to give sentient races some means of maintaining a stable existence.]


The Grace are far above Guardians

[Six Guardians agreed as one. They span the Key to Time, and with it they wove a prison. A trident, a crystal jail that

would last until the time was right. A jail to hold the mewling hybrid until the time was right.

But even gods have gods. You must name it. Even one such as this deserves a name. Even the Council of Guardians deferred to their elders. Great Old Ones had even Greater Old Ones, and their word was law.]


And since The Doctor once have Key to Time (power equal to Guardians of Time), Doctor/Time Lords should have High 1-B rating too.


So, upgrade?

 

[Antvasima]

No definitely not. The Glory has been explicitly stated as infinite-dimensional. The others have not. They are part of the 11-dimensional 6-fold realm, as far as I am aware.

 

[Antvasima]

You would need Azathoth's approval for something like this.

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

The first infinite dimensions quote in that context more likely refers to infinite parallel universes than actual dimensions. I pretty explicitly remember the Doctor killing a Lamprey by overfeeding it with chronon energy, causing it to "burst".

The second quote refers to the Spiral, which is the center of the DW omniverse in the story. Only the Glory is scaled to the Spiral because it explicitly holds the DW reality and its neighboring realms of the "omniverse" together. The Lampreys don't actually have the power to destroy the Spiral, or anything even close. Normally they're stuck there, sometimes being able to use it to get into other realities. They're not really any sort of special force in the verse. One of them even died from being stuck in our world for too long, iirc. They do essentially eat time itself, and can thus consume entire clusters of universes, but that's about it.

As for the Guardians, being a top force in the omniverse does not itself mean anything without proper frame of reference. Together, they made up the Six-Fold God, who controlled the Six-Fold Realm, which encompassed the six higher dimensions above the "usual five". They were an 11-D being. From that, we can say the Grace, who transcend the Six-Fold Realm entirely, are at least 12-D.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for the response Azathoth. Given that this topic tends to come up every now and then, do you wish to write a rule for it?

 

[Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot]

I don't really see a need for it, right now. DW spans decades and there may be important info I've never heard of, in some cases.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[ProspectX]

presumably it's like azathoth said, although the infinite dimensions statement could be the contrary.

 

[Jockey-1337]

The first infinite dimensions quote in that context more likely refers to infinite parallel universes than actual dimensions. I pretty explicitly remember the Doctor killing a Lamprey by overfeeding it with chronon energy, causing it to "burst".
The second quote refers to the Spiral, which is the center of the DW omniverse in the story. Only the Glory is scaled to the Spiral because it explicitly holds the DW reality and its neighboring realms of the "omniverse" together. The Lampreys don't actually have the power to destroy the Spiral, or anything even close. Normally they're stuck there, sometimes being able to use it to get into other realities. They're not really any sort of special force in the verse. One of them even died from being stuck in our world for too long, iirc. They do essentially eat time itself, and can thus consume entire clusters of universes, but that's about it.

As for the Guardians, being a top force in the omniverse does not itself mean anything without proper frame of reference. Together, they made up the Six-Fold God, who controlled the Six-Fold Realm, which encompassed the six higher dimensions above the "usual five". They were an 11-D being. From that, we can say the Grace, who transcend the Six-Fold Realm entirely, are at least 12-D.

Hello. What about this one?


FROM YOUTUBE COMMENT SECTION:


Why are you giving me Dimensioneer feats? The Grace's Key to Time has no feats against it since it's been used to flick off the Guardians of Time easily,

Just as she had Monica. And look where that had got her. 'What's going to happen?' Mel heard herself ask. 'Why are they all here?' Rummas had crossed the room to join her. 'It's a sacrifice, across time and space. Across universes and multiverses. Across dimensions and ―'

It's stated that every Doctor from every universe in every multiverse is there to fight Monica Lamprey.


The book outright says the Lamprey ate the infinite multiverse down to 117,863 universes, and then by the end of the book, there was just one universe left, and apparently after the last Lamprey dies, it goes back to infinity.


And he threw himself into the spiralled crucible, dropping downwards into the dimensionally transcendental abyss, accompanied by the screeching Monica/Lamprey, sending shards of blue light around them as they fell. One more Doctor, hit squarely in the chest by some blue light disappeared forever, but the others ignored this. 'Doctor... no..' whispered Rummas. 'Oh no..' Mel didn't understand what was going on. She wasn't helped when the remaining alternative Doctors pointed their palms into the crucible and let rip. Every ounce of chronon energy they'd previously shared poured into the apex of the Spiral, shattering the sides, gouging away the spirals, and hitting both the Doctor ― her Doctor ― and the screeching Monica/Lamprey, feeding them both so much energy.


'Nothing can take that much energy.' Rummas hauled him self up off the floor, joining Mel staring over the edge of the cone into the destruction below. The spiral vortex was rent, torn open in multiple places, the energy from the assembled Doctors battering the two figures, distorting them along every dimensional plane, stretching, flattening, plumping, bloating, twisting and twirling them in so many directions. It was like a nightmarish hall of mirrors, Mel unable to tell where the Doctor began or ended, trying to ignore the shriek of primal agony that emerged from the crucible. And then with one final column of bright, almost burning, light that spat upwards it was finished. The last Mel and Rummas saw of the Monica/Lamprey was a flattened, two-dimensional image, twisting in pain at the heart of the column of light that slowly but surely split apart, atom by atom it seemed, silently evaporating as it hit the edges of the chronon energy beam until nothing was left. The Spiral Chamber was now silent and still. No spirals, no vortex, just a straightforward twenty-something-foot-deep cone, with an inverted apex.


They grounded her in the Spiral, which connects to all multiverses, and then the Doctors from all the multiverses collapsed the Spiral onto her. Whatever imprisoned all the Lampreys did it in the Spiral, so it's more like every Doctor from the Omniverse hitting her one weak spot, which is the Spiral.


"'Dead. Destroyed in the Spiral, obliterated by it completely.'" They make it clear the collapse of the Spiral is what ends Monica for good, making the Lampreys extinct.´╗┐


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUoFjtz_06U&lc=UgyzXA5PQknD7K2-thl4AaABAg.8_-OZBEZ3Jc8cARv6j_tKj

 

[Jockey-1337]

Important things:


"And he threw himself into the spiralled crucible, dropping downwards into the dimensionally transcendental abyss, accompanied by the screeching Monica/Lamprey, sending shards of blue light around them as they fell."


"the dimensionally transcendental abyss"


"The spiral vortex was rent, torn open in multiple places"


They damaged an infinite dimensional and infinite multiversal thing.

 

[Antvasima]

This is an old thread, and as such it will be closed.

If you want to raise a certain topic, create a new discussion, and invite Azathoth to take part.