Doctor Who Suggestion, Revision, and Speculation Thread

[ZacharyGrossman273]

@Zachary

What's Grandfather Paradox's tier?

High 1-C, he scales to Death. Tho I haven't read all of faction paradox.

 

[NoMoreTalking]

Just found that the Grandfather become a being of pure concept. Do you know what concept he is?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

It's never stated, I think. But it's more evidence the TARDIS can hurt abstracts.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The beasts Acausality should be downgraded to type 4

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

C'RIZZ: Does it matter? There are still two of them to watch over us. CHARLEY: Which we both realise is more than enough, so there's no need to shoot us again. COLLIS: The Figurehead has decided how to deal with your friend, the Doctor. CHARLEY: Ha. And I suppose she wants to kill him, too. C'RIZZ: They can't do that. Well, the Figurehead said, she said the Clockwork Men can't affect the Doctor. Something about Time. COLLIS: They can't remove him from the time stream. But there are other options.

-Time Works

Resistance to existence erasure even without prep

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Weeeelll I have good news about the timeless child thing. According to "unnatural history" (Which is faction paradox but at least explains this stuff) the doctor has multiple backstories, all of which are simultaneous true, and a 6-D being even tries to solidify his past into one and fails.

So... can we count that? Because I heard faction paradox is "barely" canon

 

[NoMoreTalking]

@Zach

Let's wait until the Timeless Child storyline is finished.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

cybermen need a cybermaster key.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Why does the doctors Magic ability only count during his prep time key? The seventh and tenth doctors can do magic just fine on their own and psi is supposed to be a form of magic anyway

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Now that I realize I think the master could be the hybrid since he has a sample of the Doctor's ADN and the race that was before the time lords. And with the description given to us in Hell Bent, it agrees with what happened with the timeless children, it is a theory but it sounds consistent, doesn't it?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Hasn't the master stolen the bodies of other time lords and isn't in his original body any more?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

no, it was for the cybermaster.

 

[ByAsura]

The Time Lords ressurrected one of his stolen bodies (remember the Eighth Doctor film) and gave them a new set of regenerations.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

What should we do for the image of the master? Because he has like 20 incarnations

 

[Hellbeast1]

I'm thinking use renders of his incarnations

There's already a few for Jacobi, Simm, Missy and Dhawan

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So I was watching the time monster and realized the pic we use for Chronovores is of Kronos specifically and should be changed

 

[ByAsura]

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Seems fine

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, apparently in the Audio Drama "neverland" it's stated the anchoring of the thread was done using the eye of harmony

So...

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Waiiiit hold on, I found something involving the master

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Dimensional_node

Only issue is the master might've been lying

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

So, apparently in the Audio Drama "neverland" it's stated the anchoring of the thread was done using the eye of harmony

So...

Bump

 

[ByAsura]

I have the story. I can listen to it tomorrow. They don't mention the anchoring from what I remember, just that the Eye is the centre of the web of time.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Also, the darkheart was rejected from the masters profile because he didn't actually use it?

That seems odd. Just because he didn't use it Doesent mean he can't with prep.

 

[ByAsura]

You remember this conversation. Also, many villains don't have this kind of equipment, The Master is no different.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I do remember this conversation, but I still disagree with the conclusion.

What do you mean? The Foundatio has stuff they've never used with prep on their prep time feats.

 

[ByAsura]

The Master is different. He was about to use it, but was stopped and has no chance of replicating this feat.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The master should at least have the conceptual bomb since he made it himself

 

[ByAsura]

That's fine. He even used it against the TARDIS.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

Conceptual Manipulation (At least type 3 likely type 2. Created a conceptual bomb that was supposedly would "render the very existence of a TARDIS impossible", which presumably would erase it across time even at its full defenses)

How's this?

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

The Quantum Archangel formed from the quantum foam, her physical being solidifying from the eleven-dimensional nothingness like a brand-new star. Throwing out her wings, she announced her presence with a scream of triumph, her flames illuminating dust clouds that had been dark for aeons.

Mid godly for Lux aeterna Doctor?

 

[ByAsura]

Maybe remove the part about full defences, as we can't really say for certain despite it being highly likely.

She didn't regenerate there, I believe.

I think I'll bump the Cyberman thread I made.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"Maybe remove the part about full defences, as we can't really say for certain despite it being highly likely."

Hence why I wrote "at least type 3 likely type 2"

 

[ByAsura]

Which is speculation, as I said before. I only say it's highly likely because the TARDIS has certain weaknesses, such as dimensional forces (this is against the Guardians, as well).

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

If... it's only "highly likely" why can't it be a "likely"? I'll admit it's not absolute but still

What do you mean about the guardians?

 

[ByAsura]

And it's still complete speculation. The comment about it being highly likely was also my opinion, not a fact.

There's a comic where the TARDIS can't withstand the forces of the Toymaker's realm.

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

I agree, as I've stated before we should consider the guardians above the TARDIS. If we can't credit the Armageddon factor thing to the key, then it should straight up be deemed an outlier given that on literally every instance of a guardian after that they're portrayed as far superior to the TARDIS. I don't think it's even a weakness so much as just them being stronger.

 

[ByAsura]

The realm was literally inside the TARDIS, he also says it's not designed to withstand such forces. It can't generally travel to alternate universes either, but that's doesn't mean it's weaker.

It's not an outlier, it's very consistent and has nothing to do with the Key.

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

I thought that the reason the Tardis could not travel to other universe was because of the walls of time and that the pocket universe is fragile

 

[ZacharyGrossman273]

"It's not an outlier, it's very consistent and has nothing to do with the Key."

At most i would give it to you that the third is correct. This was the fourth doctors TARDIS prior to being upgraded. In other words, an outdated type 40 TARDIS that the other time lords mass produced. And yet beings who casually stomp the time lords are weaker than the guardians.

Hell, you admitted that Kronos was portrayed as being far above the third doctors TARDIS. Unless the fourth doctor did something massive to boost his TARDIS that I'm not aware, it's an outlier.

 

[ByAsura]

Why couldn't he? By the time of the Sixth Doctor, he could even survive time rams due to enormous upgrades. Also, like I said, it's extremely consistent.

Yes, and Kronos is also far above The Master's TARDIS or pretty much any TARDIS, but he doesn't surpass the Eye of Harmony. The Doctor's TARDIS has pretty much no weaponry and a very powerful defence system.

@Oliver I'm not talking about that.