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Time for some more trimming of the Marvel Magic Page that was overlooked in my previous thread and I will once again move some abilities currently on the magic page to the following respective profiles:




And now for some other P&A additions, both to the magic page and otherwise:












  • Further support of Chaos/Hex Magic & Resistance to Chaos/Hex Magic (Is stated to be capable of using chaos magic and various hex abilities, and thus should have resistance to the basic abilities of chaos/hex magic)
    • No the source is not a gamebook, though I can understand any confusion.
  • Lower-Level Sorcerer (Stated here to be capable of using various typical spells that most Marvel sorcerers can use)








  • Further Weapon Mastery (With staff weapons in melee combat, as seen here and here)




  • Chaos Magic/Hex Magic & Resistance to Chaos Magic/Hex Magic (Steve Orlando repeatedly confirmed that Wanda's chaos powers come from her nature as an aspect of possibility, in regards to her being an aspect/avatar of the Never Queen who is the creator of all possibility)

 
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Alright, here we go:

Doctor Strange
No to the first intangibility scan, as I recall he enters the Bar with No Doors here, which might just have an entrance like this (a la Harry Potter), agree otherwise.
I agree with Air Manipulation, but scans show no weather nor Electricity. I can get behind weather via Air I suppose, but... explanation required.
You did Sealing twice.
Additional Limbs scan is iffy, and looks to me like he enlarges his own hand, indicated by the hands between his own and the large one.
Agree otherwise.

Doom
Okay to Weather and Electricity, but not Air. If you cross-scale Doom and Strange - put it in writing.
Mind doesn't need Strange's scan here. Somehow Strange is a better magician and yet Victor's Mind feats are better, so: redundant.
Not Sealing in the slightest.
First scan of BFR is gone, second also implies Portal Creation.
Again, no need to scale from Strange, as scaling from greater magician is questionable.
Agree otherwise.

Umar
No. The scan states directly that she "counterspelled" it in time.

Lower-Level Sorcerers
I like to preface it by the fact that scaling all Low-Level Sorcerers to pupils of Strange Academy is... fairly iffy.
No to Gifted. Every individual is different, we have an entire academy, it doesn't correlate to our Gifted rank anyways, plus we recently decided to not use ranks I think?
While Stealth Mastery is possible, infiltration can also mean... blending in, Social Influencing, and stuff.
No to Purification, it wasn't stated to be basic, and we can't be sure everyone actually know to use it, or how to use it, so he is an exception.
Resistance to Madness is Likely at most, and probably (Type 3) at most.
Space-Time Resistance is fine, except I am always unsure if non-passive ability counts as resistance and not a power in itself. :unsure:
Mystic Being Physiology
I'd put it under possibly, as it might be her power's limitation, and not general resistance. It is very different from "Divine beings can't be affected by X" thing you use in Physiologies after all.
No weaknesses, if they are coming from someone who knows nothing about magic.

Doom (again)
Yes to Charisma, but needs scans. Same for Social Position.
Agree otherwise.

God Physiology
Gonna skip Acausality, since I am not knowledgeable enough, but we very much know that they aren't creators of time and space, Eternity is. Right?
Likely to Weather and Elements, as we don't know Skrull gods, and they might not know Midgard Gods. Anansi is a god of Spiders, Loki is a God of Lies, Aphrodite of Love, etc, etc. Neither really clicks with natural disasters.
CM doesn't have some scans. Hard to comment, but considering the fact there are many Gods of the same thing (Zeus/Thor, Ra/Amaterasu, Storm/Hadad/the rest), it is probably Limited.
Agree otherwise.

Phoenix
Agree fully.

Scarlet Witch
Just want to point out, that Wanda already has 4 separate Creation powers listed on her page, don't add 5th.
Agree otherwise.

Dormammu
No objections.

The Hammer
No objections.

Yana
No objections.

Jane
Yep.

Knull
No objections.

Matt
No objections.

Doctor Strange (again)
No objections.

Cain
Supernatural Willpower requires a bit different justification instead, as he already resists pain.
Agree otherwise.

Doctor Strange (again again) and his toys
Looks good.

Nico
(y)

Griever
I am not sure if it is really Deconstruction as opposed to Griever's normal EE.
Agree otherwise.

Miss Omega of Omegas
No objections.

Hela
No objections.

It is done, and so am I 💀
 
Alright, here we go:

Doctor Strange
No to the first intangibility scan, as I recall he enters the Bar with No Doors here, which might just have an entrance like this (a la Harry Potter), agree otherwise.
I agree with Air Manipulation, but scans show no weather nor Electricity. I can get behind weather via Air I suppose, but... explanation required.
You did Sealing twice.
Additional Limbs scan is iffy, and looks to me like he enlarges his own hand, indicated by the hands between his own and the large one.
Agree otherwise.

Doom
Okay to Weather and Electricity, but not Air. If you cross-scale Doom and Strange - put it in writing.
Mind doesn't need Strange's scan here. Somehow Strange is a better magician and yet Victor's Mind feats are better, so: redundant.
Not Sealing in the slightest.
First scan of BFR is gone, second also implies Portal Creation.
Again, no need to scale from Strange, as scaling from greater magician is questionable.
Agree otherwise.

Umar
No. The scan states directly that she "counterspelled" it in time.

Lower-Level Sorcerers
I like to preface it by the fact that scaling all Low-Level Sorcerers to pupils of Strange Academy is... fairly iffy.
No to Gifted. Every individual is different, we have an entire academy, it doesn't correlate to our Gifted rank anyways, plus we recently decided to not use ranks I think?
While Stealth Mastery is possible, infiltration can also mean... blending in, Social Influencing, and stuff.
No to Purification, it wasn't stated to be basic, and we can't be sure everyone actually know to use it, or how to use it, so he is an exception.
Resistance to Madness is Likely at most, and probably (Type 3) at most.
Space-Time Resistance is fine, except I am always unsure if non-passive ability counts as resistance and not a power in itself. :unsure:
Mystic Being Physiology
I'd put it under possibly, as it might be her power's limitation, and not general resistance. It is very different from "Divine beings can't be affected by X" thing you use in Physiologies after all.
No weaknesses, if they are coming from someone who knows nothing about magic.

Doom (again)
Yes to Charisma, but needs scans. Same for Social Position.
Agree otherwise.

God Physiology
Gonna skip Acausality, since I am not knowledgeable enough, but we very much know that they aren't creators of time and space, Eternity is. Right?
Likely to Weather and Elements, as we don't know Skrull gods, and they might not know Midgard Gods. Anansi is a god of Spiders, Loki is a God of Lies, Aphrodite of Love, etc, etc. Neither really clicks with natural disasters.
CM doesn't have some scans. Hard to comment, but considering the fact there are many Gods of the same thing (Zeus/Thor, Ra/Amaterasu, Storm/Hadad/the rest), it is probably Limited.
Agree otherwise.

Phoenix
Agree fully.

Scarlet Witch
Just want to point out, that Wanda already has 4 separate Creation powers listed on her page, don't add 5th.
Agree otherwise.

Dormammu
No objections.

The Hammer
No objections.

Yana
No objections.

Jane
Yep.

Knull
No objections.

Matt
No objections.

Doctor Strange (again)
No objections.

Cain
Supernatural Willpower requires a bit different justification instead, as he already resists pain.
Agree otherwise.

Doctor Strange (again again) and his toys
Looks good.

Nico
(y)

Griever
I am not sure if it is really Deconstruction as opposed to Griever's normal EE.
Agree otherwise.

Miss Omega of Omegas
No objections.

Hela
No objections.

It is done, and so am I 💀
I didn't mean to cross scale, I just forgot to take those out when I copied from the magic page
 
Alright, here we go:

Doctor Strange
No to the first intangibility scan, as I recall he enters the Bar with No Doors here, which might just have an entrance like this (a la Harry Potter), agree otherwise.
K
I agree with Air Manipulation, but scans show no weather nor Electricity. I can get behind weather via Air I suppose, but... explanation required.
K
You did Sealing twice.
Oops
Additional Limbs scan is iffy, and looks to me like he enlarges his own hand, indicated by the hands between his own and the large one.

Agree otherwise.

Doom
Okay to Weather and Electricity, but not Air. If you cross-scale Doom and Strange - put it in writing.
Not sure how it isn't also air since it's wind hax.
Not Sealing in the slightest.
It isn't?
First scan of BFR is gone,
Will fix
second also implies Portal Creation.
It was both.
Umar
No. The scan states directly that she "counterspelled" it in time.
Moved it
Lower-Level Sorcerers
I like to preface it by the fact that scaling all Low-Level Sorcerers to pupils of Strange Academy is... fairly iffy.
Not sure how so, since these students are the most basic of sorcerers.
No to Purification, it wasn't stated to be basic, and we can't be sure everyone actually know to use it, or how to use it, so he is an exception.
Meh ok
Resistance to Madness is Likely at most, and probably (Type 3) at most.
Ok
Space-Time Resistance is fine, except I am always unsure if non-passive ability counts as resistance and not a power in itself. :unsure:
IIRC it does, just has to be specified as active
Mystic Being Physiology
I'd put it under possibly, as it might be her power's limitation, and not general resistance. It is very different from "Divine beings can't be affected by X" thing you use in Physiologies after all.
No weaknesses, if they are coming from someone who knows nothing about magic.
Neutral
Doom (again)
Yes to Charisma, but needs scans. Same for Social Position.
Agree otherwise.
Will try to find
God Physiology
Gonna skip Acausality, since I am not knowledgeable enough, but we very much know that they aren't creators of time and space, Eternity is. Right?
Likely to Weather and Elements, as we don't know Skrull gods, and they might not know Midgard Gods. Anansi is a god of Spiders, Loki is a God of Lies, Aphrodite of Love, etc, etc. Neither really clicks with natural disasters.
They view Weather Manip as a normal feature of Gods fighting.
CM doesn't have some scans. Hard to comment, but considering the fact there are many Gods of the same thing (Zeus/Thor, Ra/Amaterasu, Storm/Hadad/the rest), it is probably Limited.
I'll see what others think but fair point
Agree otherwise.



Griever
I am not sure if it is really Deconstruction as opposed to Griever's normal EE.
Agree otherwise.
Makes no difference to me
Miss Omega of Omegas
No objections.
Surprised you didn't disagree out of sheer dislike
Hela
No objections.

It is done, and so am I 💀
Thank you
 
Not sure how it isn't also air since it's wind hax.
Because it’s a specific feat. As in, he might be doing thunderstorms with a specific spell that exclusively creates thunderstorms only. Though maybe it’s just me.
It isn't?
Sealing requires trapping one in another object, not holding in place with magic.

Not sure how so, since these students are the most basic of sorcerers.
I would imagine not many basic sorcerers train under and using the program of the Sorcerer Supreme.
 
I would imagine not many basic sorcerers train under and using the program of the Sorcerer Supreme.
Tbf Strange is rarely there, and the stuff they're learning is shown as basic stuff for most sorcerers.
 
Looks great overall. Because the other thread got locked, these are some additional feats that also might align with your interest:

Wiccan:​

  • Unleashed an energy disturbance that required Carol's intervention and almost broke reality in half - (Captain Marvel Assault on Eden #1)
  • Subconsciously created a cosmic disturbance that was fraying "reality" and infected all worlds - ( HULKLING & WICCAN INFINITY COMIC #3-4)
  • Easily neutralized Genis-Vell with a force field and uses "dimensional folding" to shrink him - (Captain Marvel 2023 #7)

Clea:

  • Tanked a scream from a duplicate Black bolt to the face and then one-shots him - (New Avengers #2)
  • Can conjure portals to the Darkdimension and use them offensively to cleave opponents in targeted areas - (New Avengers #4)
  • Freezes an entire gathering of people in time - (New Avengers #5)

Scarlet Witch:​

  • According to Agatha, there are no "locked doors" in creation for Wanda - (Scarlet Witch Annual V3 2023)
  • Was noted that there are few beings more dangerous than The Scarlet Witch in the nexus of realities, which is an interdimensional convergence/gateway that can be used to access any and all possible realities - (Women of Marvel 2024)
  • She is far "above gods" as there are no checks that exist which aren't her own(an expression for no rules applying to someone with freedom), and has the ability to resurrect the dead, but ultimately comes down to choice - (The Vision and Scarlet Witch #2)
  • Was able to cut Dormammu's connection to his dimension, and seal his portals that opened a dimensional rift into the main reality - (One World Under Doom #5)
  • Created a pocket universe for Chthon to reside in - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026).
  • Uses probability manipulation to divert an attack of spikes from Dormammu - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026)
  • Hex powers bypass The Eliminator despite being "spell tampered"(Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #6) and also works on Amaranth to pull her through The Last Door made from magic whose nature naturally suppresses magic - (Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #8)
  • As a nexus, Wanda's existence as a personification of freedom and embodiment of chaos breaks the equation of the Quiet Math that defines every beginning and every end for all things in existence, and thus reality alongside it - (Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #2)
    • To add to this, Chthon describes Wanda as a "primal disrupter"(Sorcerer Supreme 2026 #1) with Never Queen stating that nexus beings change the math of creation(Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #2) and Wanda being shown to have the authority to oppose/challenge abstract concepts like The Powers That Be while being able to refuse their authority over her as an agent of possibility, despite being noted in the same issue to wield magic. Essentially, is outside the domain and authority of cosmic order and law surrounding even primordial forces who hold no bearing to her as an agent of possibility and disrupter sown into creation.
  • Has access to an incredibly vast amount of primordial chaos by Tchalla's admission - (Avengers Volume 9 #32)
  • Billy claims that Wanda is in fact the most powerful witch in existence - (Wiccan: Witches Road #1)
  • Even prior to being Sorcerer Supreme, she challenges the claim of The Vishanti existing as a force above her, and then banishes them to prove her point - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026).
    • This is not the first time Wanda's declared to be as powerful or more powerful than mystical beings or abstract concepts. She mentioned that she also had the power to fight The Great Old Ones previously, and while Vision did help by injuring Shuma Gorath, he was amped by her power, and most of the burden was still carried by her to defeat him - (The Vision and Scarlet Witch #4)
  • Can create the very concept of hope when there is none left in reality, albeit this statement is a bit enigmatic in its use of context - (The Vision and Scarlet Witch #1)
  • Able to resurrect The Cloak of Levitation and Eye of Agamotto in the astral plane that were erased by The Living Tribunal, but required the sacrifice of The Last Door to do it - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026).
  • Can make fictional myths into reality - (Scarlet Witch Volume 3 #3)
 
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Looks great overall. Because the other thread got locked, these are some additional feats that also might align with your interest:

Wiccan:​

  • Unleashed an energy disturbance that required Carol's intervention and almost broke reality in half - (Captain Marvel Assault on Eden #1)
  • Subconsciously created a cosmic disturbance that was fraying "reality" and infected all worlds - ( HULKLING & WICCAN INFINITY COMIC #3-4)
  • Easily neutralized Genis-Vell with a force field and uses "dimensional folding" to shrink him - (Captain Marvel 2023 #7)

Clea:

  • Tanked a scream from a duplicate Black bolt to the face and then one-shots him - (New Avengers #2)
  • Can conjure portals to the Darkdimension and use them offensively to cleave opponents in targeted areas - (New Avengers #4)
  • Freezes an entire gathering of people in time - (New Avengers #5)

Scarlet Witch:​

  • According to Agatha, there are no "locked doors" in creation for Wanda - (Scarlet Witch Annual V3 2023)
  • Was noted that there are few beings more dangerous than The Scarlet Witch in the nexus of realities, which is an interdimensional convergence/gateway that can be used to access any and all possible realities - (Women of Marvel 2024)
  • She is far "above gods" as there are no checks that exist which aren't her own(an expression for no rules applying to someone with freedom), and has the ability to resurrect the dead, but ultimately comes down to choice - (The Vision and Scarlet Witch #2)
  • Was able to cut Dormammu's connection to his dimension, and seal his portals that opened a dimensional rift into the main reality - (One World Under Doom #5)
  • Created a pocket universe for Chthon to reside in - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026).
  • Uses probability manipulation to divert an attack of spikes from Dormammu - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026)
  • Hex powers bypass The Eliminator despite being "spell tampered"(Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #6) and also works on Amaranth to pull her through The Last Door made from magic whose nature naturally suppresses magic - (Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #8)
  • As a nexus, Wanda's existence as a personification of freedom and embodiment of chaos breaks the equation of the Quiet Math that defines every beginning and every end for all things in existence, and thus reality alongside it - (Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #2)
    • To add to this, Chthon describes Wanda as a "primal disrupter"(Sorcerer Supreme 2026 #1) with Never Queen stating that nexus beings change the math of creation(Scarlet Witch Volume 4 #2) and Wanda being shown to have the authority to oppose/challenge abstract concepts like The Powers That Be while being able to refuse their authority over her as an agent of possibility, despite being noted in the same issue to wield magic. Essentially, is outside the domain and authority of cosmic order and law surrounding even primordial forces who hold no bearing to her as an agent of possibility and disrupter sown into creation.
  • Has access to an incredibly vast amount of primordial chaos by Tchalla's admission - (Avengers Volume 9 #32)
  • Billy claims that Wanda is in fact the most powerful witch in existence - (Wiccan: Witches Road #1)
  • Even prior to being Sorcerer Supreme, she challenges the claim of The Vishanti existing as a force above her, and then banishes them to prove her point - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026).
    • This is not the first time Wanda's declared to be as powerful or more powerful than mystical beings or abstract concepts. She mentioned that she also had the power to fight The Great Old Ones previously, and while Vision did help by injuring Shuma Gorath, he was amped by her power, and most of the burden was still carried by her to defeat him - (The Vision and Scarlet Witch #4)
  • Can create the very concept of hope when there is none left in reality, albeit this statement is a bit enigmatic in its use of context - (The Vision and Scarlet Witch #1)
  • Able to resurrect The Cloak of Levitation and Eye of Agamotto in the astral plane that were erased by The Living Tribunal, but required the sacrifice of The Last Door to do it - (Sorcerer Supreme #1 2026).
  • Can make fictional myths into reality - (Scarlet Witch Volume 3 #3)
Good stuff, would be better for another thread
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Fixed.
 
What this is actually saying is to study math to make more convincing illusions, not literally manipulate space with them (by putting an illusion over a hole and making it seem like it's filled, you are visually "displacing space", but it's merely something visual). At worst, should instead be perception manipulation. However, if there's a proper showing of illusions affecting space literally, that should be brought instead.

I disagree with this unless they actually have a practical showing of resisting supernaturally induced madness. Being stated to be mad or to understand that which is illogical (even if it's understanding the supernatural) does not means you can resist such things. Specially when the scan outright say that the process of learning magic is hard, but anyone could do it.

Time Manipulation & Causality Manipulation (Casually freezes time and causality)
Did you meant to link something else? Nothing here is indicating he froze time? (By the way, unless Marvel has some weird causality system I'm unaware of, which wouldn't surprise me, freezing time by default should "freeze causality", as nothing happens until time resumes)

The Nightmare scan doesn't work for me btw.

These are the only things I disagree with at the moment. Can't comment on using social media author statements for the stuff with the Never Queen, nor how consistent truly is Storm scaling to T'Challa, I will leave that to y'all.
 
What this is actually saying is to study math to make more convincing illusions, not literally manipulate space with them (by putting an illusion over a hole and making it seem like it's filled, you are visually "displacing space", but it's merely something visual). At worst, should instead be perception manipulation. However, if there's a proper showing of illusions affecting space literally, that should be brought instead.


I disagree with this unless they actually have a practical showing of resisting supernaturally induced madness. Being stated to be mad or to understand that which is illogical (even if it's understanding the supernatural) does not means you can resist such things. Specially when the scan outright say that the process of learning magic is hard, but anyone could do it.
K
Did you meant to link something else? Nothing here is indicating he froze time? (By the way, unless Marvel has some weird causality system I'm unaware of, which wouldn't surprise me, freezing time by default should "freeze causality", as nothing happens until time resumes)

The Nightmare scan doesn't work for me btw.
Will get about to fixing those
These are the only things I disagree with at the moment. Can't comment on using social media author statements for the stuff with the Never Queen, nor how consistent truly is Storm scaling to T'Challa, I will leave that to y'all.
K
 
What this is actually saying is to study math to make more convincing illusions, not literally manipulate space with them (by putting an illusion over a hole and making it seem like it's filled, you are visually "displacing space", but it's merely something visual). At worst, should instead be perception manipulation. However, if there's a proper showing of illusions affecting space literally, that should be brought instead.


I disagree with this unless they actually have a practical showing of resisting supernaturally induced madness. Being stated to be mad or to understand that which is illogical (even if it's understanding the supernatural) does not means you can resist such things. Specially when the scan outright say that the process of learning magic is hard, but anyone could do it.


Did you meant to link something else? Nothing here is indicating he froze time? (By the way, unless Marvel has some weird causality system I'm unaware of, which wouldn't surprise me, freezing time by default should "freeze causality", as nothing happens until time resumes)

The Nightmare scan doesn't work for me btw.

These are the only things I disagree with at the moment. Can't comment on using social media author statements for the stuff with the Never Queen, nor how consistent truly is Storm scaling to T'Challa, I will leave that to y'all.
Weird, the Nightmare scan works fine for me
 
Since he blatantly says he froze causality, would it also count as causality manipulation?
As mentioned earlier, that's a default of time being frozen unless there's some weird causal system at play.
 
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