Doctor Strange (Marvel Cinematic Universe) Vs Giorno Giovanna

[Tots_Real]

Both at thier peek

Not sure if this a stomp or no

Speed equalized

Strange has a minute to activate any nessassary procossions to not die.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Giorno stomps

 

[Tots_Real]

time stone though?

 

[Eganergo]

No resistances to causality manipulation. Stomps in Giorno favor or rather, he solos the whole MCU.

 

[Eficiente]

No resistances to causality manipulation. Stomps in Giorno favor or rather, he solos the whole MCU.

Dorm & his 2-C tier, infinite speed and space-time physiology disagrees with you.

 

[Schnee_One]

Dorm stomps Giorno.

 

[Tots_Real]

Giorno I've come to bargain

 

[Eficiente]

Then put in the OP "Strange already activated his time loop" or something. You don't think he's always with that thing on, do you?

 

[Abstractions]

Doctor Strange had the time loop preemptively set-up to deal with Dormammu and had to reset it every time he died.

Giorno could theoretically just kill Strange before he activates it, not that Strange has the prior knowledge of Girono's abilities to deem it necessary.

 

[Tots_Real]

Then put in the OP "Strange already activated his time loop" or something. You don't think he's always with that thing on, do you?

did it

 

[Dziga]

GER screams muda at infinite speeds and Strange's time loop is nullified. Still a stomp

 

[Eficiente]

Strange has a minor flash foward on what's about to happen. Strange has a minute to activate any nessassary procossions to not die.

Uhhh that's a bad one. He just uses more precog to see how he could beat Giorno and gets returned to 0 into before doing that, then dies.

 

[Eficiente]

GER screams muda at infinite speeds and Strange's time loop is nullified. Still a stomp

Said time loop worked with someone made out of time (and space) that is 2-C and who also has infinite speed. So...maybe that doesn't happen? I guess?

Matt said that Dorm was said to be one with his dimension in an interview, which would made GER objectively unable to null the loop, but as it is.. Idk.

 

[Dziga]

GER's null is causality based, not time-space based or whatever Dorm is.

 

[Eganergo]

Yeah GER power isn't even about time-space manipulation. It's about action, cause and effect.

Nulled.

 

[Eficiente]

Yes, but how would it target Strange's time powers when those are that much stronger than what GER has shown to do?

 

[Abstractions]

"I went forward in time... to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of the coming conflict."

"How many did you see?"

"Fourteen million six hundred and five."

"How many did you win?"

"...None."

 

[Eficiente]

What's cause and consequence to something that works in a place where time doesn't exist? Why wouldn't the time stone be able to reset time? "Its actions being returned to 0" means ''what'' to something that needs no numbers?

 

[Eganergo]

What's cause and consequence to something that works in a place where time doesn't exist? Why wouldn't the time stone be able to reset time? "Its actions being returned to 0" means what to something that needs no numbers?

The same reason as to why Diavolo's power failed him where he erased time, which means time does not exist. Still nulled.

 

[Dziga]

Association Fallacy. GER still nulls.

 

[AsianAntics]

Giorno is busted FRA

 

[Eficiente]

The same reason as to why Diavolo's power failed him where he erased time, which means time does not exist. Still nulled.

You are missing 2 things there.

• Diavolo's time erase isn't the same as the Dark Dimension, which is made out of many other universes and transcends humanity's understanding of physics.
• The 2-C dude made out of time was affected by the time stone.

So again, how can the time stone's actions be turned back when those actions are stronger than what GER has shown to affect? How would this not be a nlf?

 

[Schnee_One]

Uhh

Is there something impressive about rewinding an infinite speed being?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Giorno nulls the Time Stone.

 

[Schnee_One]

This

 

[Eficiente]

Would you care to elaborate?

 

[Dzhindzholia]

Basically GER just nullifies the TIme Loop and then kills Strange.There isn't much to discuss here.

 

[FloweryAlex]

Worst case scenario if Giorno can't null the stone he just nulls the magic that keeps the loop going.

 

[Eficiente]

Basically GER just nullifies the TIme Loop and then kills Strange.There isn't much to discuss here.

No offense but I'm just going to ignore you.

Worst case scenario if Giorno can't null the stone he just nulls the magic that keeps the loop going.

How so? Said magic turned back time in a place where time doesn't exist that's made out of many universes, being above GER's capabilities and thus being too much for it. As I see it at least.

 

[Schnee_One]

Eficiente

Stop

Rewinding time on an infinite Speed character is not a feat nor does it put it above GER

Infinite Speed only gives you resistance to time stop, breaking a backwards Loop is immesurable.

 

[Eficiente]

Yeah which is why I didn't said that part anymore, now how about the rest?

 

[Schnee_One]

The rest of it is completely irrelevant if it isn't a feat to begin with

GER goes "Wait that's illegal" and nulls it.

 

[Eficiente]

Could you elaborate why?

 

[FloweryAlex]

Because none of what you said makes it above being nulled.

Rewinding te somewhere where time doesn't exist is no-more a feat than soulhaxing a soulless enemy.

 

[Schnee_One]

Simple

The Action of Doctor Strange actively coming back from the Loop that he himself created and activated is an action, an action that GER can rewind itself through Casuality manipulation, there is no loop if Strange never made it to begin with

Since the only reasoning behind the loop not being rewinded was "It worked on Dormammu" which isn't a feat for the reasons I gave, why doesn't he do this?

 

[Eficiente]

And how do we know that the time stone wouldn't reset time when GER uses its power to do that? Given that it also worked in a place without time with the difference of being bigger, as it is made out of many universes.

GER's ability to turn back actions that worked in a universe would try to null something that went back in time in a more complex universe. Casuality manip would indicate that GER's power has to work in most cases but what's cause & effect next to going before the ones altered?

 

[Dziga]

Eficiente you're straight up just in denial at this point.

 

[Schnee_One]

The fact that Strange needs to make a Gesture to do it, if GER goes bacl to before the Loop was made, Strange has to remake the loop, not the time stone. As GER is a passive action as opposed to an action that had to be made, IE Strange making the loop.

 

[Eficiente]

I forgot the OP didn't make him already have that. Ok then.

Sorry for the perseverance, this wasn't as simple as it looked.

 

[Schnee_One]

Anyway

Strange has literally zero win con

Closing