Doctor Doom vs Lavos

[The_real_cal_howard]

@Kep. You're wrong. Being able to do feats by existing is definitely the most casual form of a feat there is. Idk where you're getting a different notion.

@Matt. Multi dimensional is literally useless here. If that mattered Reinhard wouldn't have lost. Resistances don't matter either, because they get voided. Doom's not pointing before getting a through z happening to him, nor have you have any answer to his duplicates. Just saying he can isn't enough, because he didn't drain them, he drained that Lavos.

I'll respond more later.

 

[Kepekley23]

Since when passive feats beat lowballed feats that are likely much higher?

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I am lost here. So are we saying that Doctor the Doom has like 2-A or higher hax, or if he gets le killed he comes back with the (High 1-B) weapons he needs or......?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

As am I. How is Doom even Low 2-C if his tech can affect High 1-Bs?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Doom is much more powerful than Lavos and he power steals with ease.

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I will keep an eye on this. I am not really convinced either wins yet as something as bother me regarding the arguments here.

 

[ALRF]

Did Doom ever survive being BFR'd to places Lavos can easily BFR him to?

 

[Kaltias]

Passive feats are about as casual as a feat can be.

If you can punch with Low 2-C strength and i'm Low 2-C by existing, it means that me doing absolutely nothing at all = you attacking me.

And obviously I would put more power into my punches while trying to kill you compared to the power generated by me doing absolutely nothing.

Thus Low 2-C passively > Low 2-C actively

 

[PaChi2]

Lavos' BFR needs Multiversal+ range to escape from.

Does Doom possess said range?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Correction: Lavos' BFR needs at least Multiversal+ range for escape, as similar to UKG, it has a range of all of existence and all of nonexistence.

 

[PaChi2]

Just letting ya'll know that Lavos is currently sitting at the Strongest Low 2-C place.

If doom beats him...

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Then Kars get's it

 

[DMB_1]

Then Kars get's it

It's kind of an A > B > C logic.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Exactly

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Im still wondering how Doom, who can affect High 1-Bs with his stuff, is still only Low 2-C.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

Im still wondering how Doom, who can affect High 1-Bs with his stuff, is still only Low 2-C.

Yeah

Something seems off

 

[Dragonmasterxyz]

I mean a Low 2-C can still have Tier 1 hax. So even if it could, it wouldn't change his tier.

 

[Yobo_Blue]

True.

I think what Matt was trying to say though is that all his tech does so.

 

[Kaltias]

I mean tier 7 people haxing 2-As are a thing so why not Low 2-Cs haxing High 1-Bs.

Also I mean, he had to steal those High 1-B powers from the Beyonder(s) anyway

 

[DMB_1]

True.
I think what Matt was trying to say though is that all his tech does so.

Quastion is: why would he bring his High 1-B tech in every single fight? I doubt he would use it aganst the Fantastic 4 every single time.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

What DMB 1 said.

Also, is his tech hax based or no? Its true lower tiered people can have higher tier hax but if its with tech, which kind of isnt hax and is just solely weapons for attacking, then they likely should be that tier straight through and through.

We dont rate characters that specialize solely in weaponry tech "9-C, 5-B with Laser Blaster" or similar tiers, we give them totally separate keys.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

The High 1-B tech is from the same storyline Doom became Low 2-C. Secret Wars.

 

[PaChi2]

Did anyone vote?

DDoom: 2 (Matt and Kep)?

DDevourer: 1(Cal)?

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

I voted Doom.

 

[Kepekley23]

I also voted Doom.

 

[PaChi2]

It's 2-1 then.

 

[ALRF]

Did Doom ever survive being BFR'd to places Lavos can easily BFR him to?

 

[PaChi2]

2-2?

ALRF?

 

[Quantu]

Doom fra

 

[PaChi2]

3-1

I guess.

 

[Js250476]

Doom fra

 

[ALRF]

@PaChi yeah count me for Lavos.

As long as Lavos can BFR then i think he got it handily

 

[PaChi2]

4-2 it is now.

I believe Doom has his super-tech as winning condition and Lavos his BFR?

I think I got it correctly from the debate.

 

[Webcamparrot]

Voting Lavos for BFR and having a ton of duplicates.

 

[Bluetrekking]

Lavos FRA

 

[PaChi2]

4-3

 

[Quantu]

Wait hold on with my vote, how exactly is Doom going to cope with Lavos BFR him again?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Shootingkill also voted Lavos.

 

[ALRF]

Wait hold on with my vote, how exactly is Doom going to cope with Lavos BFR him again?

Checking on this, he can't

 

[Phoenix821]

Can Doom permanently put Lavos down?