DMC update 1

[Tony_di_bugalu]

The point of this thread is very simple and that is to change/fix the current demon physiology page for a better looking and updated version.

The changes and updates come from the following accepted threads:

DMC downgrade... again?

So, the current demon physiology is absolute garbage has a section called "passive" for demons which are things done by the demon world. Why demons have things the demon world does as their abilities? Demons never do those, why do they have it? Then we have another problem, more than half of...

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DMC Hax Revival - Part 4... wait no, not yet

Quick thread before the main event starts hopefully we can rework the demon physiology before the month ends Demons A couple of abilities that were taken out for dumb reasons honestly. Immersion Immersion is an ability which allows one to cross the boundary between fiction and reality and...

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DMC Hax Revival - part 3

Demons Incredibly, some of these aren't in the demon physiology despite being some of the most obvious ones so far. Possession Possession: Demonic power and thus demons can possess humans or inanimate objects to act in their stead. Acausality According to the DMC2, the Phantom we fight in...

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DMC Hax Revival - part 2

Demon World resistances Statistic Reduction Statistic reduction: Demons are unaffected by the mere presence of The Demon World which can make it difficult to breath and reduce the strength of those approaching it. Reinstating this as it was removed on premise of misinterpreting the scans and...

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DMC Hax Revival - Part 1

Nico is a gag character, the DMC Van is Tier 0 So result? We make a Nico & Van Co. profile later. She will have intelligence feats, appropriate resistances, preparation, creation/invention etecetra. And most importantly some non-intrusive limited gag powers and resistances. Supernatural and...

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Devil May Cry: Minor Additions for Demon Physiology

Limited Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Manipulating the demons' names only affects their physical statistics, not their powers and abilities.) Awakened Power (Demons who understand the concept of love can display remarkable strength when their emotions for caring for others explode and...

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Devil May Cry: Metaphysical Revisions (Part-1)

Names Explanation Names are a component of one's soul that can reshape reality on a whim if altered as we know. These names precedes the universe they operate under and was there since the creation of Demon World altogether so it has the range to effect the Underworld itself. Now frankly, these...

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General Scan Additions for Sparda bois

Scan additions on skill, senses and adaptations. Adding and Improving scans of abilities already on pages. 1) Sparda Physiology (Low Tier) and Black Angels (Gilver) - Information Analysis, Analytical Prediction - Can analyse and detect all abilities and skills of weapons or individuals...

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The "Soul" explanation that can be found at the beginning of the page will be moved out into a separate page as it is more of an explanation regarding what the "soul" is in DMC rather than a compilation of verse specific shared powers and abilities.

There is more as the Sparda bloodline section was reworked a bit to only include 2 sections (Pre-Awakening & Post-Awakening) for easier distinction of their shared abilities, moreover said shared abilities will be a thing between users up until the surpass the demon lord Sparda and come into their own power and being.

In other words they will share anything up to DMC1 and depending on their respective states as some characters like Nero for example can vary wildly because of the events of the games.

At the end of the sandbox I highlighted the abilities and powers that should be exclusive to the characters (mostly Dante) as they are performed when the characters have already surpassed Sparda.

Finally, regeneration will be placed in the profiles as it will be easier to find for the users who aren't familiar with the verse and the pages.

That will be all for now, thanks for your time.

Agree: 2 (Vietthai96, Reiner04, Elizhaa)

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Very needed changes, I agree

 

[Thehunter077]

I agree

 

[TheTenno07]

• Abstract Existence (Type 1; Demons' true forms are their Names. A Name being stated to be their truth and their true substance and the bodies they make are mere embodiments/avatars of them.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...iology#cite_note-DMC3MangaCode2Pages16to135-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>) Aren't names concepts type 1? So Wouldn’t it be better if it were indexed like this:
• Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept type 1]; Demons' true forms are their Names. A Name being stated to be their truth and their true substance and the bodies they make are mere embodiments/avatars of them.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...iology#cite_note-DMC3MangaCode2Pages16to135-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

• Abstract Existence (Type 1; Demons' true forms are their Names. A Name being stated to be their truth and their true substance and the bodies they make are mere embodiments/avatars of them.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...iology#cite_note-DMC3MangaCode2Pages16to135-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>) Aren't names concepts type 1? So Wouldn’t it be better if it were indexed like this:
• Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept type 1]; Demons' true forms are their Names. A Name being stated to be their truth and their true substance and the bodies they make are mere embodiments/avatars of them.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...iology#cite_note-DMC3MangaCode2Pages16to135-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)

Yeah... you are not wrong.

I would appreciate if they made the metaphysical CRT into a proper blog @SuperSonicTL

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Abilities that only scale to Dante should be mentioned in his page of course, and anyway I think DMC5 Vergil and Nero should share the same abilities (mostly) as him because they all three far surpass Sparda at this point.

I have other things to say but I will do it later.

 

[TheTenno07]

there are some minor mistakes in the sparda lineage part: (Training, Battle and Abilities: Gilver, a a clone modeled on the battle data of Sparda and his sons, became good with a gun in seconds despite not knowing much about them and be uncomfortable with in the first place.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...hysiology#cite_note-Devil_May_Cry_Volume_1-66"><span>[</span>66<span>]</span></a>)

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I think DMC5 Vergil and Nero should share the same abilities (mostly) as him because they all three far surpass Sparda at this point.

No reason why they should, at that point all of the have grown on their own beyond the singular point that they share.

 

[Random-Helper323]

This seems reasonable.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

No reason why they should, at that point all of the have grown on their own beyond the singular point that they share.

Fair I guess.

Also, Sonic’s thread about DE = DWE was accepted too, so I think you need to give a reason for not implementing it in the new physiology page.

 

[Mister6ame6]

Everiything looks fine but i do have a few questions about some scans

1- ''Enhanced Empathic Manipulation & Improved Fear Manipulation (Chen and Dante in their battle caused inanimate and unconscious objects to feel real fear all throughout the building. Also Vergil was able to make Sanctus instinctively feel fear''

Why is this exclusive to Dante when one of the justifications is Vergil doing? not to mentions Urizen also did fear hax V which supports this being a power their share

2- '' Power Nullification & BFR (With Ebony and Ivory Dante is capable of neutralizing the powers of Sparda that have been absorbed by Arkham when he used the two halves of the amulet to awaken the Force Edge and also afterwards sent him from the Demon World back to the Human World''

This is their own powers tbh, Dante can envelop enemies in darkness, causing them to lose their powers, Dante and Nero did null Abigail, Credo and Agnus transformations so power null it something that they share with eacth others, not Ebony and Ivory thing.

BFR is a demon powers as show that Demons are able to create dimensions at their leisure and send targets to it, as shown that Fault's body is another dimension, Arkham was able to create one or more dimensions to fight Dante, Trismagia having his own dimension and sending Dante and Lucia there by force, Agnus having his own artificial underworld and Nightmare absorbing and sending his victims to his dimension.

3- ''Enhanced Absorption (For Ultimate Devil Trigger and Sin Devil Trigger, when they transform, they are capable of absorbing all their weapons on their bodies, for example, Vergil can activate his Sin Devil Trigger by absorbing the Yamato into his skin

One of the justifications include Vergil tho.

4- "Enhanced Analytical Prediction (Can go toe to toe with Beastheads' clairvoyance through skillful predictions alone. First with Ducas, later with Chen.)''

Seeing thougth the future it seems to be a demon thing since that The Guardians of Villa de Merli predicted that one day someone would come to seal Argosax away again 200 years after the event.

It should be added to demons overall

5- ''Extrasensory Perception (Can detect difference in power levels.''

Why is this a Dante only thing when there is V being used as proof there? We even have Nero in DF sensing powers too

in fact, they should have a even better senses in their demon forms since they are capable of detecting beings on the level of Demon Kings, as shown that Nero's Devil Bringer hurts much more when he encounters DMC4 Dante, Yamato, and Incomplete Savior, all other demon encounters.

Demons can also sense the presence of demonic power and can figure out which power source of demonic power is stronger

6- Sound Manipulation (Unaffected by the Assaults' shriek, Dante was unaffected by Elena's sound-based attacks and was also shown to not be affected by the Beastheads' loud roar and was also unaffected by the dreadful metallic sound that is even louder than the Beastheads' roar himself

Nero is there as one of the justifications so it should stay tbh.

7- Probability Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (Dante is unable to be cursed by the Poker Demon's ability, which gives incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with greed and a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose. Dante can stop Patty whom got possessed when they were playing a game of "who dies first". Dante is also able to let himself be shot and lose the game in purpose, letting himself win. When Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead)

Change this to God Tier section since we do accept Argosax as conposite DMC as one of the accept thread you did mention in OP

Plus Sparda fought the entire Underworld as stated in the games he would have encountered a demon with this ability so he would scale for this reasons above

The Spardas should have all resistances to Demon Haxs because of this

The rest i thing is too simple that a Sparda can pull off or they can just copy from each others in the end so i thing is redundant especially because of Argosax making every single God Being scale to him, but eh do what you guys prefers imo

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

1- ''Enhanced Empathic Manipulation & Improved Fear Manipulation (Chen and Dante in their battle caused inanimate and unconscious objects to feel real fear all throughout the building. Also Vergil was able to make Sanctus instinctively feel fear''

Why is this exclusive to Dante when one of the justifications is Vergil doing? not to mentions Urizen also did fear hax V which supports this being a power their share

The most obvious thing that proves that fear manipulation affecting non-living things applies to all Sparda Bloodline is that in the scan even Chen does it precisely because he has Sparda DNA.

7- Probability Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (Dante is unable to be cursed by the Poker Demon's ability, which gives incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with greed and a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose. Dante can stop Patty whom got possessed when they were playing a game of "who dies first". Dante is also able to let himself be shot and lose the game in purpose, letting himself win. When Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead)

We should remove the resistance to death manipulation here. Dante isn't dead because Lady had already destroyed the amulet, so obviously it won't have any effect anymore.

Plus Sparda fought the entire Underworld as stated in the games he would have encountered a demon with this ability so he would scale for this reasons above

The Spardas should have all resistances to Demon Haxs because of this

Mundus was the Demon King, but that doesn't mean that the entire Underworld was at his service. Don't forget that Argosax was his rival and had his own army, since the Underworld had been split in two (metaphorically) because of their conflict. There's no way Argosax's army would have joined Mundus's.

 

[Mister6ame6]

The most obvious thing that proves that fear manipulation affecting non-living things applies to all Sparda Bloodline is that in the scan even Chen does it precisely because he has Sparda DNA.

Yeap there is the scan mentioning that good reminder.

We should remove the resistance to death manipulation here. Dante isn't dead because Lady had already destroyed the amulet, so obviously it won't have any effect anymore.

I think the reason it stayed is because of Argosax being conposite DMC so every God Tiers being would scale to it anyway. Is more of just showing the true extent of the demon abilities.

Mundus was the Demon King, but that doesn't mean that the entire Underworld was at his service. Don't forget that Argosax was his rival and had his own army, since the Underworld had been split in two (metaphorically) because of their conflict. There's no way Argosax's army would have joined Mundus's.

Fair points.

It still should scale to the Spardas + all God Beings because of Argosax having every demon forms and abilities tho.

 

[Tanin_iver]

Mundus was the Demon King, but that doesn't mean that the entire Underworld was at his service. Don't forget that Argosax was his rival and had his own army, since the Underworld had been split in two (metaphorically) because of their conflict. There's no way Argosax's army would have joined Mundus's.

Except, Sparda fought Argosax and his minions too, so.

Also, I have similar contentions to this thread as @Mister6ame6

 

[Hasty12345]

You should put the abilities in scroll boxes so the page isn't 400 meters long

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Atleast put a border around the abilities. Shit feels soo out of place.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Death hax is also shown when the Beastheads removes the life from all things around it including sounds and waves.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

It still should scale to the Spardas + all God Beings because of Argosax having every demon forms and abilities tho.

Except, Sparda fought Argosax and his minions too, so.

I don't think defeated an enemy necessarily means you're resisting their hax.

 

[Thehunter077]

I don't think defeated an enemy necessarily means you're resisting their hax.

Some cases, yeah. But judging on how Argosax trying to rule and unite both realms, he do everything he can. As DMC goes, every Demons does use their ability just to survive.

 

[Mister6ame6]

I don't think defeated an enemy necessarily means you're resisting their hax.

Demons are cheater by nature they do everithing they can too win their battles!

Argosax is being trying to defeat Mundus for ages no reason to hold back his shit when he don't need to it.

Sparda also stalemate him for a good chunk of time even on his sealed form, so i don't think there is a reason for Argosax to hold back his powers either.

Plus the Spardas should resist deah haxs from eacth others since they show this abilities a few times in the séries as show Nero was able to adapt and learn to kill a plant with a hit of his Devil Bringer. They are able to emit a magical shockwave to kill all his enemies on his surroundings and can also concentrate the magical shock waves on a single point to deal more damage.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I suggest a rewording for some things:

• Limited Resistance to Conceptual Manipulation (Manipulating the demons' names only affects their physical statistics, not their powers and abilities.)

(The demons that had their names removed by Sparda had become immobile precisely because they were nameless but they could still used their abilities on Dante and Vergil. When Dante renamed himself as such after changing his name since his mother's death, he became stronger and faster, implying that manipulating your name directly affects your stats.)

• Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Concept type 1]; Demons' true forms are their Names. A Name being stated to be their truth and their true substance and the bodies they make are mere embodiments/avatars of them.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...iology#cite_note-DMC3MangaCode2Pages16to135-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)

(For demons, their names are "truth" and, similar to genes, a demon's names is a representation of the being itself serving as a model of their true nature.)

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1; As descendants of Sparda they inherited the power to erasing, change or restore demons' Names. To change a Demon's name is to change the world, the value of everything.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...iology#cite_note-DMC3MangaCode2Pages16to135-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a>)

(Sparda and his lineage can remove, change, or give their names to demons with just a few words, being able to have complete control over them.)

 

[Lightning_XXI]

2- '' Power Nullification & BFR (With Ebony and Ivory Dante is capable of neutralizing the powers of Sparda that have been absorbed by Arkham when he used the two halves of the amulet to awaken the Force Edge and also afterwards sent him from the Demon World back to the Human World''

This is their own powers tbh, Dante can envelop enemies in darkness, causing them to lose their powers, Dante and Nero did null Abigail, Credo and Agnus transformations so power null it something that they share with eacth others, not Ebony and Ivory thing.

BFR is a demon powers as show that Demons are able to create dimensions at their leisure and send targets to it, as shown that Fault's body is another dimension, Arkham was able to create one or more dimensions to fight Dante, Trismagia having his own dimension and sending Dante and Lucia there by force, Agnus having his own artificial underworld and Nightmare absorbing and sending his victims to his dimension.

i think it's WAY too underused by demons to be added to their physiology page, also they didn't power nulled Credo and Agnus, their transformation just went off after they lost the fight, very different from what Dante did to Abigail

It should be added only for him

4- "Enhanced Analytical Prediction (Can go toe to toe with Beastheads' clairvoyance through skillful predictions alone. First with Ducas, later with Chen.)''

Seeing thougth the future it seems to be a demon thing since that The Guardians of Villa de Merli predicted that one day someone would come to seal Argosax away again 200 years after the event.

It should be added to demons overall

Yet another case of way too little showing to be added to all demons in existence

7- Probability Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (Dante is unable to be cursed by the Poker Demon's ability, which gives incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with greed and a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose. Dante can stop Patty whom got possessed when they were playing a game of "who dies first". Dante is also able to let himself be shot and lose the game in purpose, letting himself win. When Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead)

Change this to God Tier section since we do accept Argosax as conposite DMC as one of the accept thread you did mention in OP

Plus Sparda fought the entire Underworld as stated in the games he would have encountered a demon with this ability so he would scale for this reasons above

The Spardas should have all resistances to Demon Haxs because of this

The rest i thing is too simple that a Sparda can pull off or they can just copy from each others in the end so i thing is redundant especially because of Argosax making every single God Being scale to him, but eh do what you guys prefers imo

I didn't understood this part, Argosax having this shouldn't scale to all Demon King since only Argosax is stated to have all demon powers, right ?

Also, Sparda's fight with him is off screen and we lack details to say he should resistance every single ability from the DW just because he off screened with outside help


The main issue with this cursed physiology page is that we are WAY to lenient about scaling abilities to all demons in the series because a couple of them showcase an ability, we're almost compositing them, we should focus on direct statements about general abilities, like the ones we have for their Fear Hax

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I suggest a rewording for some things:

• Enhanced Regeneration (Mid-Godly; Nero was able to regenerate after he was absorbed on a mental, physical and spiritual level by the savior to become one with it.)

(High-Godly - Conceptual: Nero's body and soul regenerated after being melted by the Savior. The soul is the very essence of demons [insert cosmology/metaphysical blog], and it's greater than their name.)

 

[Hecky2222]

(High-Godly - Conceptual: Nero's body and soul regenerated after being melted by the Savior. The soul is the very essence of demons [insert cosmology/metaphysical blog], and it's greater than their name.)

excuse me but how it is High Godly Regen?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

excuse me but how it is High Godly Regen?

Because Soul > Names which are already a fundamental aspect of demons

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Because Soul > Names which are already a fundamental aspect of demons

Sonic explained this here:

Devil May Cry: Metaphysical Revisions (Part-1)

Names Explanation Names are a component of one's soul that can reshape reality on a whim if altered as we know. These names precedes the universe they operate under and was there since the creation of Demon World altogether so it has the range to effect the Underworld itself. Now frankly, these...

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[RedReaper616]

No reason why they should, at that point all of the have grown on their own beyond the singular point that they share.

I still disagree. While they did surpass Sparda, they still share physiology, which is the source of their Power. Even in Deadly Fortune, Dante said that Nero's Soul and the resonance it caused with his Soul were due to similarity, and Dante at this point had Surpassed Sparda and Nero is only 1/4th Demon and only just barely awakened--Clearly indicating their Souls, which are the "same" still hold relevance to their power even after surpassing Sparda.

Additionally, Vergil is still treated as Dante's entire equal with the same power and Soul as him once he's made anew in DMC5, which doesn't make sense if Vergil actually low grade Dante and lacks a crap ton of powers (and resistances).

The only thing that should separate Dante and Vergil in ability is their personal weapons and choices, with some extenuating circumstances due to the fact that they also evolve in response to threats, some of which Vergil never came across, (and is thus specifically resistances--For example, Dante had to evolve to resist the Anti-Magic Bullets. THAT would be valid to make Dante-only. But what would not is how Dante casually no-sells Dream Manipulation because it's built into his physiology and he didn't have to evolve to resist it).

 

[WAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH]

(High-Godly - Conceptual: Nero's body and soul regenerated after being melted by the Savior. The soul is the very essence of demons [insert cosmology/metaphysical blog], and it's greater than their name.)

Shouldn't the Demon King's section regen be upgraded to that too then?

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Shouldn't the Demon King's section regen be upgraded to that too then?

Yes

 

[TheTenno07]

Yo, iirc this was a passive hax right?

• Subjective Reality (Via their imagination/subconscious Demons decide how their powers evolve. Demons are inherently tied to their desires, as is Demonic Power. This is seen in the Ascension Ceremony, where it's outright stated their powers are related to their body and mind, which is why Credo is so powerful. The results were the manifestation of his resolve. Dante stated Credo's Angelic Death was only possible because he imagined it that way. Demons evolves<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...siology#cite_note-DMC5EnemyReportsLusachia-34"><span>[</span>34<span>]</span></a> as a species-Based on their desires<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._physiology#cite_note-DMC5EnemyReportsFury-35"><span>[</span>35<span>]</span></a>) u should add that 2

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Everiything looks fine but i do have a few questions about some scans

1- ''Enhanced Empathic Manipulation & Improved Fear Manipulation (Chen and Dante in their battle caused inanimate and unconscious objects to feel real fear all throughout the building. Also Vergil was able to make Sanctus instinctively feel fear''

Why is this exclusive to Dante when one of the justifications is Vergil doing? not to mentions Urizen also did fear hax V which supports this being a power their share

1) That's Chen and Dante's own feat, nothing that the others ever did.
2) Demons all have fear manip, doesn't mean they can make inanimate objects feel fear
3) Didn't notice Vergil, I will add it back but the volume 2 feat is exclusive to Chen/Dante
4) Urizen is on a weird position so not a good argument

2- '' Power Nullification & BFR (With Ebony and Ivory Dante is capable of neutralizing the powers of Sparda that have been absorbed by Arkham when he used the two halves of the amulet to awaken the Force Edge and also afterwards sent him from the Demon World back to the Human World''

This is their own powers tbh, Dante can envelop enemies in darkness, causing them to lose their powers, Dante and Nero did null Abigail, Credo and Agnus transformations so power null it something that they share with eacth others, not Ebony and Ivory thing.

BFR is a demon powers as show that Demons are able to create dimensions at their leisure and send targets to it, as shown that Fault's body is another dimension, Arkham was able to create one or more dimensions to fight Dante, Trismagia having his own dimension and sending Dante and Lucia there by force, Agnus having his own artificial underworld and Nightmare absorbing and sending his victims to his dimension.

The first feat is done by Dante using Majin form, something that at the moment is exclusive to him and is already only on his profile.

Where is the statement of Dante and Nero nulling Abigail, Credo and Agnus powers?

Yes, some demons have shown the ability to BFR enemies but it has never been stated to be something EVERYONE can do. Fault literally does it by eating it's victims, I have no idea of the Arkham thing, Trismagia is BFR but never stated how or if it is something common to demons or only them, Agnus having his own artificial hell is irrelevant because he never BFR's someone and Nightmare is literally a super weapon created by Mundus in search for power, why would his powers scale to everybody else?

3- ''Enhanced Absorption (For Ultimate Devil Trigger and Sin Devil Trigger, when they transform, they are capable of absorbing all their weapons on their bodies, for example, Vergil can activate his Sin Devil Trigger by absorbing the Yamato into his skin

One of the justifications include Vergil tho.

Yeah, it will obviously go to Vergil as well

4- "Enhanced Analytical Prediction (Can go toe to toe with Beastheads' clairvoyance through skillful predictions alone. First with Ducas, later with Chen.)''

Seeing thougth the future it seems to be a demon thing since that The Guardians of Villa de Merli predicted that one day someone would come to seal Argosax away again 200 years after the event.

It should be added to demons overall

The first part is Dante actively going toe to toe with the Beastheads precog, something that can peer to other universes and even beyond dimensions.

The other (which I forgot to delete) is someone making a prophecy/prediction that could as well just be the old legends of Sparda jumping to hell to fight the bad guys.

5- ''Extrasensory Perception (Can detect difference in power levels.''

Why is this a Dante only thing when there is V being used as proof there? We even have Nero in DF sensing powers too

in fact, they should have a even better senses in their demon forms since they are capable of detecting beings on the level of Demon Kings, as shown that Nero's Devil Bringer hurts much more when he encounters DMC4 Dante, Yamato, and Incomplete Savior, all other demon encounters.

Demons can also sense the presence of demonic power and can figure out which power source of demonic power is stronger

Because there is a big difference between someone barely glancing at you and understanding the extent of your powers (Dante) to someone feeling your power and being like "aight we are lost" despite Dante proving it wrong for the next 24 hours (V)

My problem is that Dante's feat is waaaay more precise and exact than V who just said "he is stronger than Dante" only to watch how Dante was able to match him for the next whole day proving he was completely wrong.

As for the Nero feat, he isn't sensing a demon, the devil bringer IS doing it and even then it's just a feeling of pain in variable degrees. This obviously should be exclusive to Nero as only he has a demonic arm that pulsates when a demon is near.

For the last part, pretty sure sensing demonic power should be already in the powers somewhere
https://imgur.com/a/devil-may-cry-5-visions-of-v-chapter-10-g1p7Gx8

6- Sound Manipulation (Unaffected by the Assaults' shriek, Dante was unaffected by Elena's sound-based attacks and was also shown to not be affected by the Beastheads' loud roar and was also unaffected by the dreadful metallic sound that is even louder than the Beastheads' roar himself

Nero is there as one of the justifications so it should stay tbh.

I actually want to delete this part. Nero never resisted or tanked anything so there is no feat and Dante just tanked it in the anime and novel.

7- Probability Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation and Death Manipulation: (Dante is unable to be cursed by the Poker Demon's ability, which gives incredible luck in probability-based games, however, they become engrained with greed and a sick sense of wanting to play more and more. This effect goes as far as changing reality. When the main user of this effect loses in a game of chance, they instantly die without a seemingly physical cause, this also happens to the ones the main user is playing against if they happen to lose. Dante can stop Patty whom got possessed when they were playing a game of "who dies first". Dante is also able to let himself be shot and lose the game in purpose, letting himself win. When Dante loses to Lady, he doesn't outright die, he just pretends he's dead)

Change this to God Tier section since we do accept Argosax as conposite DMC as one of the accept thread you did mention in OP

I don't see said thread. Regardless, Argosax will need it's own thread as there is a lot to discuss there.

Plus Sparda fought the entire Underworld as stated in the games he would have encountered a demon with this ability so he would scale for this reasons above

While true we have no proof of this.

The Spardas should have all resistances to Demon Haxs because of this

They already do via scaling to other demons.

The most obvious thing that proves that fear manipulation affecting non-living things applies to all Sparda Bloodline is that in the scan even Chen does it precisely because he has Sparda DNA.

Chen had absorbed the Beastheads and its only after the fact that said feat happens. We obviously can't give this feat to everybody else.

We should remove the resistance to death manipulation here. Dante isn't dead because Lady had already destroyed the amulet, so obviously it won't have any effect anymore.

Excuse my memory but don't they die even after winning? Dante was just fine after winning just possessed.

Death hax is also shown when the Beastheads removes the life from all things around it including sounds and waves.

The Beastheads thread still hasn't been done. I was waiting for Gilver to come back but since it seems he is busy I will do it instead.

I suggest a rewording for some things:

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can you do it for me? :v please

(High-Godly - Conceptual: Nero's body and soul regenerated after being melted by the Savior. The soul is the very essence of demons [insert cosmology/metaphysical blog], and it's greater than their name.)

We need a thread for the regeneration upgrade and I rather we do one instead of just changing it. It's better to be as transparent as possible after all.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Chen had absorbed the Beastheads and its only after the fact that said feat happens. We obviously can't give this feat to everybody else.

You can't ignore the fact that literally two characters with Sparda blood did it. It's not just a coincidence.

can you do it for me? :v please

Okay

We need a thread for the regeneration upgrade and I rather we do one instead of just changing it. It's better to be as transparent as possible after all.

I agree.

 

[Lightning_XXI]

You can't ignore the fact that literally two characters with Sparda blood did it. It's not just a coincidence.

Yet, you ignore both are not only stronger than Sparda, but also have different power sources (Beastheads)

The resistance on this thread honestly surprises me, I don't know what are the intentions behind it, but seriously, there isn't a single reason why characters beyond Sparda should even remotely scale to each other, they are different people, who evolved differently, different paths, different training, different scenarios, different battles, different experiences, denying Dante and co are incapable of developing their own powers sounds absurd and even goes against the very purpose of the Physiology page, since we don't scale to all demons abilities showcased by a small number of them and we separate them by Tiers, but for some reason scaling vastly different abilities to all Sparda-related characters who have vastly different power levels makes sense ?

I'd even make a case for them not scaling at all to each other and hold on to their own feats, since I really don't see the connection between having the same "weapon" (Sparda's blood) meaning doing the exact same thing with it, but I'll hold my breath for now

Agree with Tony in everything

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

• Stamina & Limited Self-Sustenance (Type 3; Superhumans, as Demons, they can last hours in battle without pause, fighting entire hordes of demons and fights against Demon Bosses without rest or relevant signs of fatigue, only showing it against prolonged fights against those who were comparable to them. They showed to need only mere seconds to recover after combat<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...mon_physiology#cite_note-DMCVolume1Page135-95"><span>[</span>95<span>]</span></a>.

It should definitely be removed from the physiology page and only be mentioned in the Stamina section of their own profiles.

 

[Mister6ame6]

1) That's Chen and Dante's own feat, nothing that the others ever did.
2) Demons all have fear manip, doesn't mean they can make inanimate objects feel fear
3) Didn't notice Vergil, I will add it back but the volume 2 feat is exclusive to Chen/Dante
4) Urizen is on a weird position so not a good argument

I mean if another demon can pull off them Spardas can also pull it too kinda like BH also interacting with Void Mundus Nature, plus power mimicry means that they can just copy any powers and abilitites from eacth others, but eh not worth to die for it tbh so do what you guys think is best tbh.

Urizen thing is basically V felling overwelmend with his sheer powers (Which is confirmed in the DMC Mission Recaps that he did not get the full grasp of his powers there let alone of his full power), but i'm can see why you think is not a good argument for fear hax.

The first feat is done by Dante using Majin form, something that at the moment is exclusive to him and is already only on his profile.

Correct if i'm wrong but DMC calls Majin and SDT forms Dante ''True Power'' so won't they be the same thing but SDT being Majin fully mastered?

Where is the statement of Dante and Nero nulling Abigail, Credo and Agnus powers?

Well, they detransformed out of thin air while they were having a serius macth with Dante and Nero, so why won't they revert back to their weaker forms? Alot of time Dante, Vergil and Nero kills demons and they never rever back from their trasnformations, it seems that the Spardas did something to Abigail and the Order of Sword demons

Yes, some demons have shown the ability to BFR enemies but it has never been stated to be something EVERYONE can do. Fault literally does it by eating it's victims, I have no idea of the Arkham thing, Trismagia is BFR but never stated how or if it is something common to demons or only them, Agnus having his own artificial hell is irrelevant because he never BFR's someone and Nightmare is literally a super weapon created by Mundus in search for power, why would his powers scale to everybody else?

Fair enougth.

The first part is Dante actively going toe to toe with the Beastheads precog, something that can peer to other universes and even beyond dimensions.

And Vergil can still macth him as equal in DMC5 events and gived him alot of trouble, so if Dante precog and instintive reactions is so superior to Vergil how did Urizen and Vergil himself gived soo much trouble to Dante in the game despite he was fully commited on killing his brother for good this time untill Nero changed his mind about it?

The other (which I forgot to delete) is someone making a prophecy/prediction that could as well just be the old legends of Sparda jumping to hell to fight the bad guys.

Well if that helps they also mentions that Lucia ''sensed the upcomig danger Argosax'' and took measures to prevent it (We know is my boy Dante of course)

Because there is a big difference between someone barely glancing at you and understanding the extent of your powers (Dante) to someone feeling your power and being like "aight we are lost" despite Dante proving it wrong for the next 24 hours (V). My problem is that Dante's feat is waaaay more precise and exact than V who just said "he is stronger than Dante" only to watch how Dante was able to match him for the next whole day proving he was completely wrong.

Urizen was toying with Dante man, they confirm that everibody underestimate his power, V even mentions that later in the prologue, V was the most acurate of everibody funny enougth! Even later when Urizen shows his true power for the first time against Nero, they confirm it was the fist time he did that in the game!

As for the Nero feat, he isn't sensing a demon, the devil bringer IS doing it and even then it's just a feeling of pain in variable degrees. This obviously should be exclusive to Nero as only he has a demonic arm that pulsates when a demon is near.

The Devil Bringer is just Nero DT Arm man that was permalocked nothing special, Dante have a good amount of senses feats that can easely macth it!

For the last part, pretty sure sensing demonic power should be already in the powers somewhere

Yeah, but is not on physiology page that's why is was showing that as evidence for it to add there!

I actually want to delete this part. Nero never resisted or tanked anything so there is no feat and Dante just tanked it in the anime and novel.

There is more detailed description in the jap guidebooks iirc, but i need to look check atm.

Ask the others what they think about this fist tbh.

I don't see said thread. Regardless, Argosax will need it's own thread as there is a lot to discuss there.

Is here actually, yeah i finished the blog as requested (I think) so whe you guys wanna me to post it, i do it.

While true we have no proof of this.

Shit like Fate, Causality Hax, Plot Hax and Probably Hax you either resist it or you will get destroyed, there is no in betweem there.

They already do via scaling to other demons.

Yeah and should via Argosax too

i think it's WAY too underused by demons to be added to their physiology page, also they didn't power nulled Credo and Agnus, their transformation just went off after they lost the fight, very different from what Dante did to Abigail

It should be added only for him

Fair on physiology for demons but about Credo and Agnus well, they detransformed out of thin air while they were having a serius macth with Dante and Nero, so why won't they revert back to their weaker forms? Alot of time Dante, Vergil and Nero kills demons and they never rever back from their trasnformations, it seems that the Spardas did something to the Order of Sword demons

Yet another case of way too little showing to be added to all demons in existence

Still support that others demons and even hybrids can do, so Vergil who power and skill is equal to Dante should have his level of precog otherwise they fight would be a massive stomp on Dante favor, plus Mundus have all BH powers and abilitites since he is his creator, so DMC1 Dante and Sparda scale to it too.

I didn't understood this part, Argosax having this shouldn't scale to all Demon King since only Argosax is stated to have all demon powers, right ?

Resistante to all ArgosaxHaxs, not every Demon God having his powers, there is argument for conposite God Tiers but that is a story for another time.

Also, Sparda's fight with him is off screen and we lack details to say he should resistance every single ability from the DW just because he off screened with outside help

Argosax have alot of passive abilitites, plus not reason for him to hold back his shit when Sparda along with Mundus is a massive treat to him.

The main issue with this cursed physiology page is that we are WAY to lenient about scaling abilities to all demons in the series because a couple of them showcase an ability, we're almost compositing them, we should focus on direct statements about general abilities, like the ones we have for their Fear Hax

You gonna have to talk with the others about this since i'm just falowing what is accepted rn.

 

[SuperSonicTL]

Btw. I utterly disagree on resistances being compromised. Why are we not giving ******* Poker Demon resistance to Sparda physiology? Are you implying Poker Demon Ability can hax stomp Demon God Pluto now? We have UES for such matters smh.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Correct if i'm wrong but DMC calls Majin and SDT forms Dante ''True Power'' so won't they be the same thing but SDT being Majin fully mastered?

Uhhh, no that I remember. If memory doesn't fail me it's just Dante's demonic side going overdrive to save him while Sin Devil Trigger is his "True Form", his "True Power Awakened"

Well, they detransformed out of thin air while they were having a serius macth with Dante and Nero, so why won't they revert back to their weaker forms? Alot of time Dante, Vergil and Nero kills demons and they never rever back from their trasnformations, it seems that the Spardas did something to Abigail and the Order of Sword demons

Because Demons "transforming" is just them going to their real forms. The order of the sword became demons and access those demonic forms in a way similar to DT and when they are defeated/spent they just lost the energy to keep the transformation.

Sid for example, real form is the frail looking dude and Abigail is like his DT. Got destroyed and was back to base.

And Vergil can still macth him as equal in DMC5 events and gived him alot of trouble, so if Dante precog and instintive reactions is so superior to Vergil how did Urizen and Vergil himself gived soo much trouble to Dante in the game despite he was fully commited on killing his brother for good this time untill Nero changed his mind about it?+

Remember the final cutscene of the special edition? The one in which Dante explicitly says Vergil is an open book to him and he can read his every move?

Vergil is only on par with him because of the stats. Chen was literally able to see the future and yet Dante was matching him.

Urizen was toying with Dante man, they confirm that everibody underestimate his power, V even mentions that later in the prologue, V was the most acurate of everibody funny enougth! Even later when Urizen shows his true power for the first time against Nero, they confirm it was the fist time he did that in the game!

That urizen was underestimated doesn't mean he was toying with Dante, let alone for 25 hours straight.

Well duh, Urizen is constantly getting stronger, just exerting power after a full month getting blood means his power will be completely on a different league than before.

The Devil Bringer is just Nero DT Arm man that was permalocked nothing special, Dante have a good amount of senses feats that can easely macth it!

Yeah, Dante has better feats hence why no one else is getting them

Yeah, but is not on physiology page that's why is was showing that as evidence for it to add there!

You should make a thread for it then.

Is here actually, yeah i finished the blog as requested (I think) so whe you guys wanna me to post it, i do it.

That's not in the OP, nor is part of my thread.






Also, how did your comment lead to that picture while quoting my comment?

 

[Ommf_Deity]

I’m not trying to be biased or anything, but is there anything that supports the idea that demons existed before the human world, or explains how demons are born in the demon world in the first place?

For Conceptual manipulation (type 1)

 

[SuperSonicTL]

I’m not trying to be biased or anything, but is there anything that supports the idea that demons existed before the human world, or explains how demons are born in the demon world in the first place?

For Conceptual manipulation (type 1)

Not the thread to discuss that but I'd recommend to read this first.

I'll go into more detail over it in the second part so look forward to that if you wish to.

 

[Ommf_Deity]

Not the thread to discuss that but I'd recommend to read this first.

I'll go into more detail over it in the second part so look forward to that if you wish to.

Hi, i read the further discussion, it's said nothing of demons preceding the Human world, only the Demon world.