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Devil May Cry: Peak of Combat Additions

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Sup Ladies And Gentleman!​

This is just a simple and on-point revision:

Demonic Energy Related:​

Demon Specific Abilities:​

This is only for Argosax who is confirmed to have all the appearances and abilities of Demons so a key is in queue for him for this only as well as resistances for all the Demon Gods who are on par with him or stronger for that matter.

Helfilth:​

Helfilth is a very important character in lore who is the embodiment of fear and source of all Nightmares we witness throughout the series. She lives in her Nightmare space where Dream based entities like Sargassos resides at as we seen through Nightmare's description. Here is an initial profile we created for her (will update depending on the outcome of this thread).
Note: I will go in more detail over it in the future—just think of it as a base for the upcoming revisions.

Vergil Specific:​

Sparda Physiology:​

Addressing Potential Counter-Arguments:​

Counter-Argument: Isn't Beyond-Dimensional State supposed to be for entities that lacks spatial and temporal aspects? How are you sure this would qualify for Type 1?

Rebuttal: If I'm being honest, I'm not exactly sure myself since I'm quite new to this standard but I end up labeling it as such due to the metaphysical nature of Sargassos as I described above. Dreams and nightmares seem to exist beyond conventional space and time on a scale that defies existence itself. This in-turn spill over into Nightmare Space of similar nature where these dream-like entities resides at. Take Lady as an example who was treated as in a dream-like state in there by Helfilth.

Counter-Argument: Why you labeled Higher Dimensional Existence of Sargassos as 5-D again?

Rebuttal: Simply due to nature of Helfilth existing beyond time and space which on its own isn't much of an evidence but given Sargassos supporting evidence of transcendence over physical plane implies it is talking from a higher dimensional standpoint which is all the proof it needs to prove its 5-D classification. To summarize it, it's mainly describing the nature of dreams and that plane which, again, I'll delve on further into the future threads in detail.

Edited: Also saying it exists outside of time and space as a reason wouldn't work because it takes place inside Demon World which is time and space on its own.

Agree: @Dalesean027 (everything seems fine), @LordGriffin1000 (mostly agrees aside from minor nitpicks), @UchihaSlayer96 (Same as LordGriffin)
Disagree:

Neutral:
 
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Wouldn't being 5-D and having BDE Type 1 be contradictory though?
BDE Type 1 is something that is more often than not non-corporeal, aspatial and atemporal. If Hellfilth has BDE, then she can't be 5-D because, well, she has no space or time dimensions as you're trying to argue.
I think the whole dream shenanigans lean more toward BDE, since dreams aren't particularly physical and are shown to being metaphysical in regards to the world, so they would likely be ontologically different to Space-Time.
 
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Due to it being a virtual realm, does not mean the realm is made out of information or data and its a even longer stretch to assume it would be fundamental. So I don't see why this should be IM 2.
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Virtual Realm by its definition supposed to mean computer-generated environment, no? It being considered informational in nature seems fine to me, personally speaking.

Dark_Soul20189 said:
Also, since when did being born from nothingness give NEP?
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Due to accepted abstract nature of souls on the physiology page. I also have more arguments to prove its conceptual nature but I'm saving it for another thread for now so take it with a grain of salt.
 
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Palito266 said:
Wouldn't being 5-D and having BDE Type 1 be contradictory though?
BDE Type 1 is something that is more often than not non-corporeal, aspatial and atemporal. If Hellfilth has BDE, then she can't be 5-D because, well, she has no space or time dimensions as you're trying to argue.
I think the whole dream shenanigans lean more toward BDE, since dreams aren't particularly physical and are shown to being metaphysical in regards to the world, so they would likely be ontologically different to Space-Time.
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Dunno... I'm new to BDE in general soo I'm waiting for someone to clarify how it should be treated as. To me personally, it sounds like both are similar by its definition (atleast here).
 
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SuperSonicTL said:
Then what do you think it is exactly?
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I don't know.

I just answered your question about this word meaning more than just technological/computer things.

Taken from a dictionary.
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If the word "virtual" is used in the scan/context you showed and is referring to something computer-related, I don't know, since I don't know anything about the game or the history of this family.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I don't know.

I just answered your question about this word meaning more than just technological/computer things.

Taken from a dictionary.
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If the word "virtual" is used in the scan/context you showed and is referring to something computer-related, I don't know, since I don't know anything about the game or the history of this family.
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Well… Considering it's described as being seemingly powered by abstract souls and "manipulated" through them, the idea of it fitting the definition of "almost" real rather than a purely computational environment seems surreal to me? But I can understand your concerns.

We'll see how it goes. (y)
 
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SuperSonicTL said:

Sup Ladies And Gentleman!​

This is just a simple and on-point revision:

Demonic Energy Related:​

Demon Specific Abilities:​

This is only for Argosax who is confirmed to have all the appearances and abilities of Demons so a key is in queue for him for this only as well as resistances for all the Demon Gods who are on par with him or stronger for that matter.

Helfilth:​

Helfilth is a very important character in lore who is the embodiment of fear and source of all Nightmares we witness throughout the series. He lives in his Nightmare realm where Dream based entities like Sargassos resides at as we seen through Nightmare's description. Here is an initial profile we created for her (will update depending on the outcome of this thread).
Note: I will go in more detail over it in the future—just think of it as a base for the upcoming revisions.

Vergil Specific:​

Sparda Physiology:​

Addressing Potential Counter-Arguments:​

Counter-Argument: Isn't Beyond-Dimensional State supposed to be for entities that lacks spatial and temporal aspects? How are you sure this would qualify for Type 1?

Rebuttal: If I'm being honest, I'm not exactly sure myself since I'm quite new to this standard but I end up labeling it as such due to the nature of Sargassos as I described above. Dreams and nightmares seem to exist beyond conventional space and time on a scale that defies existence itself. This in-turn spill over into Nightmare Space of similar nature where these dream-like entities resides at. Take Lady as an example who was treated as in a dream-like state in there by Helfilth however if someone can help me out here in clarifying it then it would be appreciated.

Counter-Argument: Why you labeled Higher Dimensional Existence of Sargassos as 5-D again?

Rebuttal: Simply due to Helfilth existing beyond time and space which on its own isn't much of an evidence but given Sargassos supporting evidence of transcendence over physical plane implies it is talking from a higher dimensional standpoint which is all the proof it needs to prove its 5-D classification. To summarize it, it's mainly describing the nature of dreams which, again, I'll delve on further into the future threads.
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While I cannot speak on the BDE and 5-D stuff, I agree with all the listed haxes. However, not only Argosax, but also other Demon Kings should have comparable haxes as Urizen for example instantly was able to use the abilities of other demons under his command. Mundus himself has shown he can use Phantom's flame pillars and employs usage of lightning similarly to Griffon (let alone the fact he created lightning demons like the Blitzes). All DK's should have all haxes and resistances (as should hybrids on their level at least from a resistance stance). Also Nightmare should receive similar upgrades to Hellfilth given they operate similarly with each having a nightmare space of their own.
 
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Phsccarvalho said:
I don't know.

I just answered your question about this word meaning more than just technological/computer things.

Taken from a dictionary.
Captura-de-tela-2025-03-24-163341.png


If the word "virtual" is used in the scan/context you showed and is referring to something computer-related, I don't know, since I don't know anything about the game or the history of this family.
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You say this and virtual in the definitions provided have no relation to the context of the scan @SuperSonicTL posted. The only way you can go about it, is via data/technology unless otherwise specified given that the idea of "almost a particular thing or quality" is terribly misplaced in this circumstance.
 
Unoriginal777 said:
While I cannot speak on the BDE and 5-D stuff, I agree with all the listed haxes. However, not only Argosax, but also other Demon Kings should have comparable haxes as Urizen for example upon becoming Demon King level instantly was able to use the abilities of other demons under his command. Mundus himself has shown he can use Phantom's flame pillars and employs usage of lightning similarly to Griffon (let alone the fact he created lightning demons like the Blitzes). All DK's should have all haxes and resistances. Also Nightmare should receive similar upgrades to Hellfilth given they operate similarly with each having a nightmare space of their own.
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We'll discuss that topic in the future. I'm honestly not sure how to argue it down atm.
 
Unoriginal777 said:
You say this and virtual in the definitions provided have no relation to the context of the scan @SuperSonicTL posted. The only way you can go about it, is via data/technology unless otherwise specified given that the idea of "almost a particular thing or quality" is terribly misplaced in this circumstance.
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You could read what I said right after, right?

bruh
If the word "virtual" is used in the scan/context you showed and is referring to something computer-related, I don't know, since I don't know anything about the game or the history of this family.
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Phsccarvalho said:
You could read what I said right after, right?

bruh
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Oh I know, but I just wanted to add in my two cents anyways. Might as well clarify further why it is unlikely the "almost" interpretation holds much water in practice for anyone passing by. No offense was meant by my comment, only a desire to demonstrate what I feel is the likely answer in response to your suggestion on the likely definition of "virtual."
 
SuperSonicTL said:

Information Manipulation (Type 2), Adaptation & Sealing: Kirk's family uses their souls to empower and manipulate virtual realm that is used to seal Demons long ago however Demons can eventually adapt to it as well.​

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The scan doesn't imply that the realm is purely information, neither does it imply that it's fundamental or something like that, just vaguely says it's "virtual" which probably more alligns with the Data Manipulation than info
SuperSonicTL said:
Non-Existent Physiology (Nature Type 1 & 3; Aspect 1, 3 & 4): Demons known as nemesis are born from nothingness.
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This doesn't imply any sort of NEP really, "born from nothingess" =/= is literally nothingness itself, also 0 explanation on why it's Type 3
SuperSonicTL said:
Conceptual (Type 2), Fear, Dimensional Manipulation & Possibly Beyond Dimensional Existence (Type 1): Helfilth is a spirit wandering beyond time and space, Master of dimensional rifts, embodiment of Fear and is the source of all nightmares like Vergil's Nightmares or Nightmarish replicants of original Demons in his realm.
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Why is this type 2 concept? Nothing suggests the concept of fear governing reality or something of similiar nature, BDE is probably fine
SuperSonicTL said:
Higher Dimensional Existence (5-D), Non-Existent Physiology (Nature Type 1 & 3; Aspect 1, 3 & 4) & Dream Manipulation: She is also the source of Dreams/Nightmares based entities like Sargassos that are described as non-existent and transcendent in nature to physical plane.
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Nothing here really suggests higher-D existence, Sargassos transcendence to physical plane is reffering to their NEP
Also, why is it type 3? They just switch between non-existent(in which they explicitly cannot attack) and existent states
 
Ang4I00 said:
The scan doesn't imply that the realm is purely information, neither does it imply that it's fundamental or something like that, just vaguely says it's "virtual" which probably more alligns with the Data Manipulation than info
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It utilizes souls and manipulate the realm itself to contain these beings? That sounds more like information manipulation to me honestly.

Ang4I00 said:
This doesn't imply any sort of NEP really, "born from nothingess" =/= is literally nothingness itself, also 0 explanation on why it's Type 3
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Because physiology page treats soul and mind as the same thing.

Ang4I00 said:
Why is this type 2 concept? Nothing suggests the concept of fear governing reality or something of similiar nature, BDE is probably fine
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"Nightmares" are a universal idea across reality and Helfilth is the "source" of them all alongside being the "embodiment of fear" which could be treated as a synonym for nightmares as we know.

Ang4I00 said:
Nothing here really suggests higher-D existence, Sargassos transcendence to physical plane is reffering to their NEP
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Helfilth wanders beyond time and space. In this context, "transcendance" and "beyond" are synonym to one another.

Ang4I00 said:
Also, why is it type 3? They just switch between non-existent(in which they explicitly cannot attack) and existent states
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Already explained above + it's their ability to do so, to give themselves a physical body in order to interact with others which to me doesn't seem to disapprove anything unless I'm mistaking something here.

BestMGQScalerEver said:
Why is a japanese scan being used for NEP scan when PoC is a chinese game?
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Because english text is half translated while the Japanese text translates it fully. Chinese has the same translation as Japanese although I don't have the scan with me right now. I'll switch it if I found it.
 
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SuperSonicTL said:
It utilizes souls and manipulate the realm itself to contain these beings? That sounds more like information manipulation to me honestly.
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Information manipulation has nothing to do with that though, "virtual" more so implies it has something do with computer data, like an realm made of data or smth, it's kinda vague to judge based on one random name drop
SuperSonicTL said:
Because physiology page treats soul and mind as the same thing.
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...Okay? NEP Type 3 is about paradoxical nonexistence, where you don't exist but behave as you do, soul doesn't really have anything to do with that
SuperSonicTL said:
Nightmares are a universal idea across reality and Helfilth is the source of them all alongside the embodiment of fear which could be treated a synonym for nightmares as we know.
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I'm pretty sure you need to prove that alteration of said concept can in turn alter reality(that's why names are type 2 concepts for example)
SuperSonicTL said:
Helfilth wanders beyond time and space. In this case, "transcendance" and "beyond" are synonym to one another.
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Vague mentions of being "beyond time and space" don't really cut it for HDE, transcendence over physical plane is, again, due to their NEP, no reason to connect those two statements together
SuperSonicTL said:
Already explained above + it's their ability to do so, to give themselves a physical body in order to interact with others which to me doesn't seem to disapprove anything unless I'm mistaking something here.
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What I'm saying is that they can't be Type 3 because they have to switch out of their non-existent state to interact with reality, they don't really behave as if they exist in their non-existent state
 
Ang4I00 said:
Information manipulation has nothing to do with that though, "virtual" more so implies it has something do with computer data, like an realm made of data or smth, it's kinda vague to judge based on one random name drop
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Hmmm... I suppose you are correct here but it says virtual realm alongside using souls to empowering it as well as manipulating it to stop Demons from escaping so I felt like it would qualify for it.

Ang4I00 said:
...Okay? NEP Type 3 is about paradoxical nonexistence, where you don't exist but behave as you do, soul doesn't really have anything to do with that
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OH ****.​


Sorry I thought you meant aspect 3 (lol). Anyways, my original plan was for type 1 but someone told me it can qualify for that as well soo I labeled it like that but can you explain in detail what I need to qualify for it exactly? Like a decent example so I can try to bring something similar if it exists somewhere.

Ang4I00 said:
I'm pretty sure you need to prove that alteration of said concept can inter alter reality(that's why names are type 2 concepts for example)
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Nightmares are ideas that resides in every living being (take those links above in main post as an examples) and being stated to be the embodiment as well as source of it all seems to be good enough in my book.

Ang4I00 said:
Vague mentions of being "beyond time and space" don't really cut it for HDE, transcendence over physical plane is, again, due to their NEP, no reason to connect those two statements together
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It's only vague if it isn't supported. In this case, it is supported because Sargassos are made from the same aspect of existence as Helfilth and her Nightmare space itself is made off. When Helfilth says he "wanders beyond" time and space. It can mean either transcendence or some sort of speed justification but Sargassos gave us the context for it.

Being living in the recess of Nightmares, they are non-existent and transcendent to physical plane. There is also no solid proof that you can correlate it to them having NEP in nature but Helfilth wandering beyond time and space in his metaphysical realm is enough proof to consider it can mean as transcending space and time altogether because the word "beyond" goes more in-line to "transcendent" rather then being non-existent in nature and we take the most likely choice then an alternative that barely have anything going on for it then assumptions.

But anyways, what you think "wandering beyond space and time" means here because it clearly isn't talking about being outside of the scope of known realms as it takes place within a realm itself (Demon Realm) as a meager subspace (and I've proof for that).

Ang4I00 said:
What I'm saying is that they can't be Type 3 because they have to switch out of their non-existent state to interact with reality, they don't really behave as if they exist in their non-existent state
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Hmmm... I'll try to cover your points tomorrow in detail (midnight here) & we'll see how it goes from there.
 
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OH ****.​


Sorry I thought you meant aspect 3 (lol). Anyways, someone told me it can be qualify for that as well soo I labeled it like that but can you explain in detail what I need to qualify for it exactly? Like a decent example so I can try to bring something similar if it exists somewhere.
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From my own understanding, NEP Type 3 is basically when a character may appear as existent(like, they may appear to have a body, soul, mind etc, they may appear to interact with reality, think and other stuff) but when you try to manipulate said aspect - it behaves as if it doesn't exist and is immune to said attack or manipulation due to their state
SuperSonicTL said:
Nightmares are ideas that resides in every living being and being stated to be the embodiment as well as source of it all seems to be good enough in my book.
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That seems to be more of a type 3 concept, since it doesn't govern a reality and doesn't have any showings of its alteration of affecting reality
SuperSonicTL said:
It's only vague if it isn't supported. In this case, it is supported because Sargassos are made from the same aspect of existence as helfilth and his Nightmare space itself is made off. When Helfilth says he "wanders beyond" time and space. It can mean either transcendence or some sort of speed justification but Sargassos gave us the context for it.
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SuperSonicTL said:
Being living in the recess of Nightmares, they are non-existent and transcendent to physical plane. There is also no solid proof that you can correlate it to them having NEP in nature but Helfilth wandering beyond time and space in his metaphysical realm is enough proof to consider it can mean as transcending space and time altogether.
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Sargassos transcendence over physical plane is directly attributed to their NEP state tho, furthermore - transcending space and time isn't even enough with all this context, for HDE you have to have explicit mentions of extra axis
Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object.
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SuperSonicTL said:
But anyways, what you think "wandering beyond space and time" means because it clearly isn't talking about being outside of the scope of known realms as it takes place within a realm itself (Demon Realm).
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I dropped PoC myself so I don't know the specifics but from what I can gather it's probably just BDE, considering the abstract nature of nightmares, I don't think it refers to having an extra dimension or something, that would require more explicit info
 
Ang4I00 said:
From my own understanding, NEP Type 3 is basically when a character may appear as existent(like, they may appear to have a body, soul, mind etc, they may appear to interact with reality, think and other stuff) but when you try to manipulate said aspect - it behaves as if it doesn't exist and is immune to said attack or manipulation due to their state
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Interesting... I'll try to look more into it tomorrow.

Ang4I00 said:
That seems to be more of a type 3 concept, since it doesn't govern a reality and doesn't have any showings of its alteration of affecting reality
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But it does though... Remember the scans I gave you above? Vergil's Nightmares came solely from his memories and are no different then these Nightmarish entities that are made from original Demons. Also I forgot to mention that Dante's memories are converted into Sargassos itself and these same Sargassos are from Nightmare space where helfilth resides at so it makes sense that it is a universal thing he is source of then anything. Plus, Lady was literally summoned into her place just because she slept.

Soo like it makes sense for it to be type 2 since Nightmares are a universal thing from a logical sense.

Ang4I00 said:
I dropped PoC myself so I don't know the specifics but from what I can gather it's probably just BDE, considering the abstract nature of nightmares, I don't think it refers to having an extra dimension or something, that would require more explicit info
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Hmmm... Fair enough.
 
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But it does though... Remember the scans I gave you above? Vergil's Nightmares came solely from his memories and are no different then these Nightmarish entities that are made from original Demons. Also I forgot to mention that Dante's memories are converted into Sargassos itself and these same Sargassos are from Nightmare space where helfilth resides at so it makes sense that it is a universal thing he is source of then anything. Plus, Lady was literally summoned into her place just because she slept.

Soo like it makes sense for it to be type 2 since Nightmares are a universal thing from a logical sense.
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Welp, Im going to be honest, I'm not completely sure whether or not if qualifies, I'm pretty sure there needs to be statements about how alteration of said concept will influence the reality it governs not only the sheer scope of it, but I'll concede for now, maybe someone else will add something to this
 
Phsccarvalho said:
If the word "virtual" is used in the scan/context you showed and is referring to something computer-related, I don't know, since I don't know anything about the game or the history of this family.
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None of those contexts match what is stated here. Virtual Realm here is equivalent of saying Virtual Reality. And given the context of demon being trapped and sealed in a non-physical realm separate from reality. The meaning here is very much literal.
SuperSonicTL said:
an initial profile
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You posted discord link instead of actual link.
Dark_Soul20189 said:
Due to it being a virtual realm, does not mean the realm is made out of information or data and its a even longer stretch to assume it would be fundamental. So I don't see why this should be IM 2.
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It's either real world made out of real stuff or it's not. You can't take away all options that are supposed to make up a virtual reality when we know it's not just a simple physical reality. It's neither a computer generated Matrix like world nor a physical.
Considering it's a virtual space where real world beings are sealed and trapped, and it is explicitly stated to be manipulated to contain them regularly, it very much qualifies for what it claims.
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Why is this type 2 concept? Nothing suggests the concept of fear governing reality or something of similiar nature
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They govern what they are stated to govern, not every aspect of reality. You are misinterpreting how types of concepts are defined on our wiki. These concepts govern every nightmare for every being throughout all the verse, it very much qualifies for what it claims.
Ang4I00 said:
Information manipulation has nothing to do with that though, "virtual" more so implies it has something do with computer data, like an realm made of data or smth, it's kinda vague to judge based on one random name drop
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It's neither a literal computer coded Matrix world or a VR headset game. It's an existential reality, which while not physical is not a literal computer environment either.
It's explicitly stated to be manipulated in the scan too. Manipulating a virtual realm to maintain the sealed prisoners very much sounds like IM2 to me.
Ang4I00 said:
That seems to be more of a type 3 concept, since it doesn't govern a reality and doesn't have any showings of its alteration of affecting reality
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Why do you want it to govern something it is not stated to govern?? It will concern itself with that aspects of reality it is supposed to lord over. By your logic none of the type 1 or type 2 concepts will qualify for their own definitions as as they are indexed in this wiki. You are interpreting the wiki's definition hyperliterally. What is posted in OP qualifies for type 2.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Non-Existent Physiology (Nature Type 1; Aspect 1, 3 & 4): Demons known as nemesis are born from nothingness.
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Born from nothingness doesnt grant you NEP, honestly doesnt grant you anything at all. Basically there are many verse that say all things is born from nothing, it was normal

SuperSonicTL said:
Information Manipulation (Type 2), Adaptation & Sealing: Kirk's family uses their souls to empower and manipulate virtual realm that is used to seal Demons long ago however Demons can eventually adapt to it as well.
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Where you get information type 2 here?

SuperSonicTL said:
Conceptual (Type 2), Fear, Dimensional Manipulation & Beyond Dimensional Existence (Type 1): Helfilth is a spirit wandering beyond time and space, Master of dimensional rifts, embodiment of Fear and is the source of all nightmares like Vergil's Nightmares or Nightmarish replicants of original Demons in his realm.
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I dont see concept type 2 nor fear manipulation nor dimensional manipulation nor BDE type 1

  • For concept type 2, you basically must prove there was some abstraction of concept that govern reality
  • For fear, you must prove that you inject the abstraction of fear it self into the enemy not just making them afraid because of nightmares nor become embodiment of fear
  • For dimensional manipulation, basically you must manipulate the math structure of dimension
  • For BDE 1, you must lack of the atribute of time and space, while beyond time and space is a good proof, but it doesnt do a trick in the end. Beyond time and space can mean different thing, like being a spirit basically beyond time and space because time and space was a physical atribute
I think this is just AE and dream manipulation

SuperSonicTL said:
Higher Dimensional Existence (5-D), Non-Existent Physiology (Nature Type 1 & 3; Aspect 1, 3 & 4) & Dream Manipulation: She is also the source of Dreams/Nightmares based entities like Sargassos that are described as non-existent and transcendent in nature to physical plane.
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I dont see why this is 5D nor HDE nor NEP

  • For 5D and HDE, a word transcend doesnt enough for make it higher D, like what i say above about beyond time and space, transcend physical can mean it was a non physical entity. Well it was clear in the scan btw, like it being transparent and for attack it that thing must become physical first, that mean it was a nonphysical entity not to mention it was a spirit
  • For NEP, well the scan indicate it was not in it nature a nonexistence being, but yeah just non-exist because you cannot see it or hard to see it and hard too sense it, soo it become "nonexistent" in that sense, well it say transparent after all it clearly indicate a being that hard to see not a being that have a nature of nonexistence

SuperSonicTL said:
Void, Soul Manipulation & Sealing: Void Slash ability can seal & shatter your soul alike
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I dont think a name of a ability can be a enough proof. And what is voidness here? I think this is some kind of energy for doing this ability because it say that must be full for doing this ability. Because if that not some kind of energy it kinda paradox, like void that full, the atribute of void are being less being lack of, it like a nothingness that also a somethingness
 
Say, a minor thing, but don't hallucinations qualify as a form of perception of manipulation? (I mean, at least as a way to fit it into an existing power)
 
BestMGQScalerEver said:
illusion creation
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The two can overlap, but from what I understand, Illusion Creation is more about creating something "external" that anybody could see, akin to a mirage, while hallucinations are something that isn't really there, not even as an illusion, but is entirely a trick of an individual's perceptions to make them sense something that isn't really there (or at least that's how it's commonly defined in dictionaries).
 
TartaChocholate said:
The two can overlap, but from what I understand, Illusion Creation is more about creating something "external" that anybody could see, akin to a mirage, while hallucinations are something that isn't really there, not even as an illusion, but is entirely a trick of an individual's perceptions to make them sense something that isn't really there (or at least that's how it's commonly defined in dictionaries).
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Yeah it would most likely qualify for perception manipulation since the direct intervention of mind here, nice catch 👍
 
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