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DMC Downgrade #2: Hax Edition

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The 2nd thread, hopefully less chaotic this time. I will mainly be going over Dante, just cus i have only checked his profile so let's go.

Volume 1 Dante
1) Deconstruction, the scan does not show dante having some sort of special bullet capable of doing this. And that is what happens to demons when they die, not all of them, each of them has a different type of death, but this can be seen even in the normal gameplay, Dante just whacks a buncha demons with his sword or any weapon, then they just evaporate or explode after some time. Im more eager to say that's just how demons work rather than it being an ability Dante has because even if the gameplay isn't a good enough reasoning then here is DMC3 demons just exploding to what appears to be dust from an average Dante punch (it happens all the time no matter how they're killed), here is Berial exploding into sparks after Dante shoots him. Here is how Bael dies. Here is Echidna dying in another similar but not deconstruction fashion from the same gunshot. Then we have Credo's death, who was not even caused by Dante, yet look at how he dies from an average stab from Yamato. I could gather more deaths if i wanted to, basically the entirety of the demon deaths in DMC4 from fodder to high tier we see on pannel, Goliath, Artemis, Nidhogg, Geryon Knight's horse, Gilgamesh, Cavaliere, Malphas, King Cerberus and the familiar's death from DMC5 , but you already get the point.
2) Resistance to soul manip (that just turns people into demons) (evidence provided, it can stay)
3) Resistance to Corruption type 3 (Dante is already half demon) Dante shouldn't be affected by the demon world stuff cus it is stated by Chen in the novel after beating mundus and even Agnus says "you're not a human". And it's supposed to affect only humans. And to quote the novel:
And in that moment, he and Dante both understood the reason why the Beastheads had never assimilated any of the demons that had carried it. It was the same reason Dante was able to carve his way through the gel coffin and stand in front of Chen.
"The Beastheads eats us humans and replenishes you demons. It's like a power transformer for souls!"
"Probably." Dante shrugged. The power that now imbued him felt neither good nor evil. It simply was. Whoever wielded it could reshape reality to its own design, for better or for worse.

Chen refers to Dante as a "demon" and says that because of this he does not get negatively affected by the Beastheads which supposedly should affect humans. SImilarly if being half human-half demon is considered being a demon, that would mean he would not be affected by the demon world effects either. (evidence provided, it can stay)
4) Resistance to Fear Manipulation (Dante is a demon, he's not gonna be scared of such weak demons, it's like giving humans resistance to fear hax for looking at each-other when birds are scared of them). And the fear manip works solely because of the human's "6th sense" of danger, not because of "mind hax gg".

DMC3:
1) Why does Dante have Power Null for Royal Guard? Nullifying an attack isn't power null, as it is not nullifying abilities.


DMC1:
1) Soul manipulation should be changed to "possibly". It is more like he's theorizing, there even is a question mark on the "soul". And the cores do seem to be a lot more physical than "souls" considering they make sounds when being whacked, have durability, can be damaged by Calina Ann. So a "possibly" seems more fair here. Also it's not Soul Manip, it is non physical interaction. rejected
2) Resistance to Poison. They strictly tell you to stay away. Why is that resistance? And the poison isn't necessarily lethal, nor would anyone with regen instantly go down from poison.
3) Resistance to AZ, this is more of a standard change. It's just resistance to cold, since he's just being hit by AZ stuff, not being frozen to AZ.
4) Resistance to ESP if this comes from DMC5 then i'll have to disagree. It was more like the demons were attracted to the sword instead of Dante. So the sword itself had more presence than Dante, cus it would make no sense for the sword to hide Dante's presence when Dante wasn't even wielding it.

DMC Anime:
1) Regeneration Negation should be yeeted. He killed sid after a battle and we all know how "effective" healing becomes after long battles from several statements throughout the series. After long battles we should not rely much on healing considering we know that it becomes greatly ineffective
2) Resistance to sound manip. What kind of sound attacks are we talking about here? There should be more clarification on the profile (Provided and it's legit, it can stay)

DMC2:
1) Immortality negation. Not a thing. Type 5 is not a form of immortality you necessarily need to bypass to end someone.
2) Fear Manipulation. Broken link, someone should fix it.
3) Dimensional travel. Why? Seems a bit weird, he just beats the boss and a portal opens Bloody Palace style.
4) Resistance to Mind Manipulation. Demon world energy, i went over it before with the whole "human" and "demon". explained it's fine to stay

DMC4:
1) Resurrection. It should probably be stated on the profile "with Gold Orb". Assuming that's the reason he has it. finished
2) BFR with yamato. Why? Yamato opens portals to the underworld, it doesn't BFR. BFR means to send somebody somewhere by force, afaik Yamato has no ability where it forces people somewhere else, they have to willingly walk through the portal. So swap this with "Portal Creation".
3) Minor Transmutation with Gilgamesh. Im confused on this one, i don't remember any transmutation with Gilgamesh, haven't played DMC4 in a while but someone should remind me why this is and put that reasoning in the profile. provided evidence it's fine.
4) Resistance to Sealing. No, Sparda separated the 2 world, Yamato specifically opens a portal between them. It does not resist or bypass sealing, it just bypasses the separation which is what dimensional travel is supposed to do by default, open a portal between 2 separated places.

DMC5:
1) Gravity manip needs a scan. Psychometry needs a justification. The rest is fine.

That's all i had.
 
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Just a question: If demon physiology is the reason Dante isn't affected by the hax, wouldn't that just give demon physiology hax resistance instead of taking away resistance from Dante?
 
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The world does not affect demons by nature. It's like saying a castle turns you into an animal then giving animals resistance to transmutation for being inside it.

They are just by nature unaffected by the demon world due to the fact that the demon world turns people into demons, what it does would not affect demons logically.
 
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> The world does not affect demons by nature. It's like saying a castle turns you into an animal then giving animals resistance to transmutation for being inside it.

Yeah sure, because a castle is completely comparable to a different dimension that fucks shit up, totally, yup, exactly the same.

I am searching for some scans to shut this down, I'll comment in a bit.
 
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Also if it doesn't work on demons that seems more akin to a caveat as opposed to a resistance for the demons. Is there a scan that explicitly states that they're resistant to the effects?
 
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Disagree with “Possibly” for soul manipulation since Eifete proved it in the other thread. Also disagree with removal of ESP resistance. I’ll wait for further input on the rest.
 
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Disagree with “Possibly” for soul manipulation since Eifete proved it in the other thread. Also disagree with removal of ESP resistance. I’ll wait for further input on the rest.
Yeah that had to be changed since the OP was made before that. But it's still Non Physical Interaction, not Soul Manip.

Any reason you disagree with removal of ESP resistance?
 
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V straight up stated that the sparda was concealing Dante’s presence. He didn’t say anything about the Sparda distracting them.
 
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1) It is never stated he needs a special bullet or something similar and the narration goes and explicitly mentions how Gilver is being tore apart molecule by molecule until no atom remains.
2) What is the problem with it? The scan is pretty straight forward “THE SOUL transformed when it reached the outer crust of the netherworld”

3) How is being a half demon an argument? Let me put an example for you, if a life form from Venus came to earth and we expose it to fire, toxic gases and all the shit they are naturally resistent by virtue of living in those conditions, do you think it will die? It will be affected? Obviously no, those adapted or were born immune/resistant to their enviroment, this is the exact same thing, demons live in a place where they get exposed to all that shit and thus became immune/resistant to it. Another thing, in Vol2 they DID get affected by all the shit the demon world did when they got closer to the nexus/heart.

Also, Dante DID feel the effects of the demon world in his fight with Gilver in volumen 1, something that isn't even relevant by the time of dmc3

4) Your argument is “Dante shouldn’t be scared of weak demons” ...thats a stupid argument,

> it's like giving humans resistance to fear hax for looking at each-other when birds are scared of them). And the fear manip works solely because of the human's "6th sense" of danger, not because of "mind hax gg".

Unlike this example, we know that demons are evil spirits capable of possesing shit to materialize in the human world, and explicitly mentioned to have an aura that instills fear on all those who are within their range.

5) What is exactly weird about it? It is another straight forward scan, if this case of Dante admitting an ability like that would have 0 effects on him.


DMC3:

1) I can’t belive this but I somewhat agree with this, certainly the Power Null page backs us up with this but I haven’t seen the scan for Power Null (Dieno you still need to bring that >:V), in any case:

Regarding what I said about the power null page supporting us here: “Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to simply nullify the powers and abilities of others, negating their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type of power, such as supernatural phenomena in general, or magic.”

Dante Nulls any incoming attack, be it magic based or physically done.

DMC1:
1) Efi debunked this in the last thread.

Also, in DMC1 Dante can indeed kill Shadow, Griffon and Phantom Griffon without the need to interact with their cores so this goes out of the window too. Basically soul hax.

2) Because Dante is completly unnafected by their poison, like, he never shows any kind of lasting response when hit with it like poison normally does.

3) The frosts can in fact freeze Dante, at least they can do it in 4 (they do it by throwing the claws) and they are the exact same thing created by mundus, so I’m expecting it stays or they upscale from Nero who can break free from it without even having his demonic powers awaken.

4) Someone already posted the link there and it literally tells you the sword was hiding Dante's presence, literally a sword he suprassed in power long ago won't be enough by a long shot to get the attention of other weak demons when Dante is lying almost at its side.

DMC Anime:

1) Bruh what? Their regen never becomes “greatly ineffective”, the fuck are you talking about? Look at dmc3 where vergil was so fucking tired he coul barely stand, got cut in half and immediatly regenerated. Also, the battle wasn’t even a long battle, it was a one shot and Sid’s regen gives 0 fucks about AP stomps, it’s literally coming back from a pool of blood

DMC2:
1) After talking with some Friends, eehhh, maybe? How to fuck are you supposed to kill something that doesn’t exist after all?


2) Fear Manipulation. Broken link, someone should fix it.

We will have a CRT to add the fuck ton of scans missing, don’t worry about it.


3) Dimensional travel. Why? Seems a bit weird, he just beats the boss and a portal opens Bloody Palace style.

…okay, Trismagia BFR’s his ass to its dimension and Dante gets out after defeating it, the portal that opens later is when he is already out fo there.


4) I already explained

DMC4:
1) In game he can carry 3 of them, im personally neutral if this stays or goes, also, it is because of Yamato too, as explained by the new DMC timeline video thing-y Yamato can ressurect others, it did with Nero.


2) BFR with yamato. Why? Yamato opens portals to the underworld, it doesn't BFR. BFR means to send somebody somewhere by force, afaik Yamato has no ability where it forces people somewhere else, they have to willingly walk through the portal. So swap this with "Portal Creation".

I guess it was because he could potentially open a portal and throw someone there? IDK this one was already taken out of Vergil’s profile so Dante having it should be a no-no, also, he isn’t as skilled with Yamato so he could very well not know about it (by 5 he seems to already know but…. eeeehhhh?)


3) Gilgamesh is stated to consume flesh and transform it in metal, what it hits becomes metal or something like that, i don’t remember much either.

"GILGAMESH: Made of devilish metal that absorbs organic metal and transforms it to steel, this weapon will shock and awe enemies with brute force."


4) Yamato was used to seal the demon world, it was stated in 3 and 4 but i don’t have the scans, maybe when we update the profiles it will be updated, if not then it goes out but im neutral if it gets taken out right now.

DMC5:

1) Psychometry needs a justification.

  • Im pretty sure this should be since vol1 or 3 as he learns how to use weapons the momento he touches them.
 
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It would do your argument well to find some examples because if all royal guard has ever been shown to due is nullify or negate attacks that sounds like it should just be Damage Reduction.
 
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I'm neutral if it comes or goes, the power null page helps us somewhat

Regarding what I said about the power null page supporting us here: “Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to simply nullify the powers and abilities of others, negating their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type of power, such as supernatural phenomena in general, or magic.”

Dante Nulls any incoming attack, be it magic based or physically done, basically he brings his arm up and whatever attack that goes in his way doesn't do any damage and it's absorbed (which he can throw back again in a slap or a punch)
 
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Doesn't look like it's nullifying either powers, more just the damage that they would incur onto Dante especially since even when Dante blocks the attacks they aren't immediately gone or anything like that but finish up before disappearing.
 
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Actually i have a bit of time gonna go over Tony's points now:

DMC novel 1:
1) So your entire argument relies on 3 characters not dying normally whereas literally everyone else dying like that gets the "well idfk why credo died like that". There is a spider in dmc1 i believe that has a death similar to all the cases i mentioned even though it wasn't even killed by anyone, it was stabbed by a statue, died and turned into whatever stuff he turned into. Beowulf isn't even a good argument he might have died exactly like these guys, if anything the fact that by the time Dante gets there Beowulf's body isn't there just adds more proof to the "he died like all the others". Similar thing for Agnus. Griffon can you show me the scan? And this still doesn't defeat the whole "a lot of demons die like this why was gilver any different?".
2) And Dante is already a demon so what would happen to him?
3) What the? What was that argument exactly? Demons grow up in a world that turns them into demons and they become resistant to it? What would sth that turns humans into demons do to beings that are already demons?
4) Can you post a scan for this "aura" part. Cus all i saw on the profile was "the human's 6th sense warns them of the danger". Which isn't a feat for the demons, it's a feat for the humans. They sense that something is dangerous.
5) Just asking to make sure it's not a case similar to the demon world stuff.

1) Dante doesn't "nullify" them in the same sense that we use "nullify". He just blocks it, to nullify it would mean to dispell the magic, which is not what Dante is doing.

1) Not really. The fact that it should be just NPI still stands.
2) Because of regen?
3) They freeze him, but not in AZ. He gets freezed into a temperature between his body's temperature and AZ, not AZ.
4) Potency and presence are not necessarily related. And why would Sparda's sword hide Dante's presence if Dante wasn't even wielding it. Makes a TON more sense for Sparda's sword to have more presence considering how we just see a bunch of demons attracted to it.

1) The quotes about them needing to heal wounds and being wounded in DMC3 and 5 say otherwise.

1) Just NPI.
2) Ok fair.
3) There are several other answers you could give to that actually. Pocket dimension that was destroyed when trismagia was killed, raw game mechanics etc, but this isn't a big deal as long as y'all don't abuse it. If i see anyone arguing for cross dimensional teleport for that when Yamato is 1 of the biggest plot devices in the show imma come back to this.

1) Yamato has never shown to resurrect Dante and yamato was given to Vergil so it's hard to argue that it would work similarly for Dante. Best to stick to gold orbs.
2) That's just portal creation either way.
3) Fair.
4) It was a term used to mean "separated". If it was pure sealing half of the lovely low 2-C feats are thrown outta the window cus if they're not separated they stop becoming AP feats. Again just crossdimensional teleport.
 
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Doesn't look like it's nullifying either powers, more just the damage that they would incur onto Dante especially since even when Dante blocks the attacks they aren't immediately gone or anything like that but finish up before disappearing.
Well, according to the damage reduction page, you still take damage, regardless whatever you do with is true for a normal block

But for a perfect block (Royal Block) you still do not take any type of damage, so can still be power null or another type of power
 
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if it can resurrect nero it will do the same for dante and vergil their powers come from the same soruce being part of sparda's bloodline
dante and vergil have been stated to have the same powers and nero inherited his powers by being vergil's son
 
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if it can resurrect nero it will do the same for dante and vergil their powers come from the same soruce being part of sparda's bloodline
dante and vergil have been stated to have the same powers and nero inherited his powers by being vergil's son
Not really it is vergil's sword, not dante's. It's stretch to assume it can resurrect dante too.
 
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yamato being vergil's sword doesn't mean anything the yamato reacts to sparda's bloodline it's why it reacted to nero and resurrected him yamato is impowerd with sparda's power if it can work on nero it will work on dante as well you are just being fussy about it
 
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DMC novel 1:
1) Didn't knew that countless demons all across the media could be counted as 3. If you read Vol1, which is the same novel with the feat mind you, you should remember the major demons dante killed left their bodies there, dante even destroys the skull of one of those after he killed him and it those didn't vanish Same with Vol2, Griffon gets destroyed by Mundus, phantom (who has a core too as shown in VoV IIRC) dies after Dante kicks his ass (impaled but my guess is that is his soul hax working wonders), the countles demons Dante killed in the anime left their bodies there too, dmc2, BtN, VoV, etc.

> And this still doesn't defeat the whole "a lot of demons die like this why was gilver any different?".

The point is, demons don't die like Gilver did except in 5 and those two from 4 and even then it lacks any form of context beyond "they died" unlike Vol1 which gave you a detailed explanation of his death and how the direct cause of it was E&I

2) Nothing because he resists, like every other demon in the series.

3) It was and example that i hoped would fit in your head, didn't make it by the looks of it. Point is, demons are naturally resistant to those effects, to put you another example you might understand, saiyans live in a planet with x10 more gravity than earth, them going to the HTC means nothing as they live in those conditions, this is the same thing, demons live in a place that is full hax all the time, someone else trying to hax them using that is already doomed to fail.

Did you missed the part where i said that Vol1 Dante was initially affected by this shit too? Or the part where I told you that in Vol2 Demons do, in fact, get fucked the closer they get to the nexus/heart/source of the demon world?

4) It wasn't as explicit as I remembered but when in the prescense of demons, even if they don't see them they fear them to the point they can't function normally, its something that happens a lot in Vol1, even Dante gets somewhat affected by this while he is still "Tony". My mistake with the aura part as it wasn't as I remember. The profile covers "Dante" so I'm pretty sure there is no problem there.

And before you ask what I mean with that, in Vol1 Dante is known as "Tony" and even he doesn't know his past or history and only has vague memories, at some point in the story "Dante" awakens and he remembers all, starts stomping demons left and right, can now tank everything he couldn't before, even made demons fear him, etc, etc, etc.


1) Dante doesn't "nullify" them in the same sense that we use "nullify". He just blocks it, to nullify it would mean to dispell the magic, which is not what Dante is doing.

I don't know in what sense you are talking about, this isn't some general rule that every single character with Power Null has to follow, even the page tells you that "the mechanism by which this is accomplished can vary and that it can be limited to a certain type of power", in this case dante nullifies any damage with royal guard, be it physical or magical based.

That's why i said that the page and the standard back it up.

1) Its literally destroying their souls without the need to touch said souls directly, that is soul manipulation.

"Soul Manipulation is the ability to interact with one's soul or the souls of others. This ability ranges from being able to project the power of one's soul outward, grasping and ripping the souls of others out of their bodies, outright consuming souls to gain power, among other applications."

If he had to directly target the souls to kill them it would be NPI: "It should be noted that the ability to interact with souls and other non-corporeal entities directly as if they were physical objects is usually considered Non-Physical Interaction and does not grant the user the ability to manipulate souls in other contexts." but he doesn't

2) Since when can Regen stop the effects of poison? Even in Vol1 the demon monkey (the one that gets his head crushed by dante) has a poisonus blood that can kill others and dissolve their bodies immediatly and Dante gets bathed in that IIRC and gets back up like nothing happen


3) All their attacks are done throwing their claws or attacking with their claws, the attack that freezes his ass is done with the claws that are so cold the air around them is AZ, so I don't see the problem with it.

4) Except it does when Dante has a more prominent presence all around. IIRC it was stated somewhere that it has some form of mind or conscience, wich is enough to prove it was doing that to hide Dante. It literally doesn't make sense they would be attracted to Sparda but not Dante who was a couple of meters at its side.

I'm searching for the scan about its mind thingy, when I get it I'll post it or edit this comment.


1) So Dante and Vergil being tired suddenly means they didn't regenerate back? Vergil got cut in half and instead of falling in 2 he just grabs his mother amulet and keeps it close to him is suddenly an idication of him being wounded then? You are using Vergil words over visuals, and he doens't know Dante's state like Dante himself who was ready to go for it albeith tired from his previous fight. And how does this disprove Dante regen negg? Sid's regen cares little about AP stomps nor was he tired about the fight.


1) Ehh, idk, its something that isn't there after all.

3) Those answers are literally unsupported by anything so it doesn't makes sense, game mechs would have been if the portal had appeared inside the boss area after dante defeated it, I had used this and I will keep doing it.

>If i see anyone arguing for cross dimensional teleport for that when Yamato is 1 of the biggest plot devices in the show imma come back to this.

I keep forgeting you haven't played DMC1, the perfect amulet acts as a key and allows Dante to travel to the demon world, even in 3 it acts as that but with a different preparation, so no, Yamato isn't the only thing with this ability.


1) Nero, whos powers came from Vergil and basically Sparda's blood got ressurected only because he had said blood, it makes 0, zero, nothing, nada de sense for him to get ressurected but not the others.

2) Fair enough

4) "Yamato was used to seal the demon world, it was stated in 3 and 4 but i don’t have the scans, maybe when we update the profiles it will be updated, if not then it goes out but im neutral if it gets taken out right now."

Even if it didn't and only was a hax feat, only 2 of the 8/9 currently accepted feats are attributed to Sparda, it barely affects the verse while he still scales to the rest of demons kings who have their own feats which he has defeated.
 
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Well, according to the damage reduction page, you still take damage, regardless whatever you do with is true for a normal block

But for a perfect block (Royal Block) you still do not take any type of damage, so can still be power null or another type of power
No, that's just really good damage reduction. Power Nulling has nothing to do with AP.
 

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He's hit by an AZ claws that's stated to instantly kill anyone who gets hit. The fact that Dante survives the slash would prove him resisting it, on top of the fact that Ifrit can melt the ice in the first place so I don't see why he wouldn't have it.

The poison doesn't affect him despite being stated the toxic bodies are well... toxic, when they die their bodies explode in the toxic substance.

what part of healing comes from coming back to being literal puddles of blood? I don't understand where you're coming from.

I'll get back to the other points soon, gonna be busy for the rest of the night.
 
There are several other answers you could give to that actually. Pocket dimension that was destroyed when trismagia was killed, raw game mechanics etc, but this isn't a big deal as long as y'all don't abuse it. If i see anyone arguing for cross dimensional teleport for that when Yamato is 1 of the biggest plot devices in the show imma come back to this.

Except when Trismagia dies, the dimension is still there, the portal you said was there to finish the level, Dante didn't used it to exit said dimension

I don't see what Yamato has to do with this, it's relevant because it can travel between Human and Demon World, worlds that had their connection severed by Sparda in the past, travelling between other dimensions besides that was never a problem in DMC

Anyway, I completely agree with Tony, Glass, Sparda and Mister here
 
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Ehh later i deal with other points.
Unless you got a scan showing demons aint affected by demon world hax because they born there.
Instead i have some scans here where Gilver himself states Demons dont get fear haxed by their own nature and Gilver states Dante being half demon, here Dantes admitted he got sick by the demon world, since the tree was warping/bringing the demon world. There is other scan but i believe its enought, even more when Dante got reactive evolution feats just by being half demon, so i can scale to all full demons. Nothing hints Demons not being affected by the demon world just because they are born there, even more when feats related to reactive evolution happens. And also another thing, demons have fear aura and have Madness hax, doenst matter if is six sense, you dont get to used it normaly and neither have affect on you normaly.:)

Royal Guard powernull comes from 5, want know something crazy about it ? Royal Guard works as a shield around dante, works exactly like the power null abilitie from 5 because: we can see Dante literally power nullying Agnus Life manipulation attacks with Royal Guard, Time stamp: 8:22 and 8:38, and before someone say Agnus doenst have life manipulation, the guide itself confirms the hax.

About descontruction, while its true when Gilver as dying by molecules being dissolved (dante didnt cause that), Dante here performs this feat where he almosts divides the molecules around him by speed and Dante on 3 already is more faster than is novel vol 1 counterpart, so descontruction stays and gets even more stronger when dante gets more faster.

Dante bypassed Void Mundus's type 5 immortality, simple as that, we know Void Mundus died because the entire timeline went boom and we know the timelinet went boom because: Void Mundus is stated to sustain the entire demon world and to be the demon world nexus, and is influence spread even on the human world, corrupting bugs, serving as spys to give intel about the rebels, so he died for good. Another proof Void Mundus died, is because when Mundus as defeated NOT KILLED, the demon world only threatened to collapse. So there is a diference when void mundus or mundus get defeated and when they die.

About absolute zero, Frost have claws made of ice that around them the temperature goes way beyond AZ, and they can be used as ranged attack, so Dante gets hit and nothing happens, not even the area that gets hit goes frozen, and he already fighted Ice based demons who scales away above Frosts and he gets unaffected by their AZ attacks.

V's feat is soul hax, he went into Nightmares body and removed his core (soul), thats is counted as Soul hax feat on soul manipulation page. Your problem here is the stantard. (and some staff and already agreed with the cores being soul, just check the my V revision thread).

Ressurection comes from Yamato being able to ressurect the users ( 99% of the time bloodline related, but can choose the user), Nero was ressurected by yamato time stamp: 3:50, you can see Yamato resonated with Nero, something that happens with sparda sword (chooses the user).

And no Dante isnt a demon, he is half human and demon, Gilver already stated that, the manga states both dante and vergil being half human and demon, Arkham also states Vergil is incomplete (not 100% demon) and both human and demon blood flows on Vergil. Time Stamp: 1:35

To NOT BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE BEASTHEADS, you need to be DEMON or BE on SOME % DEMON.

5) The resistance to possession seems weird, in there is just the statement of "wouldn't have worked on me". A better scan of him resisting would be better
Do you realize Ducas tried to posses Dante right? Thats why Dante mocked Ducas, if Ducas never tried to posses Dante, Dante wouldnt mock Ducas about trying to posses.

1) Regeneration Negation should be yeeted. He killed sid after a battle and we all know how "effective" healing becomes after long battles from several statements throughout the series. After long battles we should not rely much on healing considering we know that it becomes greatly ineffective
Weird you say that, when the series never said about regeneration becoming weaker after long battles. Please show proof, your own words alone dont have face value.




4) Resistance to ESP if this comes from DMC5 then i'll have to disagree.
Thats the thing, the sword protects those who are bloodline related and worthy, to the point even Sanctus managed to resonate with the sword, before the sword itself realized there is something wrong. Hell Sparda Sword even revived Trish. The sword didnt make is own presence higher so nobody would detect Dante, if that happened Cavalier and Malphas would have find the sword before V. So the Sparda sword did hide its own presence and Dante's presence.
If you are doubting that Sanctus did resonate with the sword, check this out, so is i believe i made clear that the sword does choose the wielder and protects bloodline related people and worthy people.

About DMC anime resistance to sound manip, here the episode, time stamp: 9:43, she even destroys a concrete pillar. Yes is related to sound, not air manipulation, the entire episode makes that clear.
 
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Dante Nulls any incoming attack, be it magic based or physically done, basically he brings his arm up and whatever attack that goes in his way doesn't do any damage and it's absorbed (which he can throw back again in a slap or a punch)
That's absorption and/or attack reflection, not power nullification.

Power nullification is using your power directly on the user of the power to prevent them from using it (or alternatively cutting off an external power source), while absorbing an attack after it is released would be absorption of the relevant kind of energy (heat, kinetic, electrical, etc).

Additionally I'm not a big fan of using vague-ish skill descriptions to grant powers due to similar wording - "nullify" doesn't always mean power nullification as we define it.
 
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Don't know if this has been brought up yet as I don't have time to go through the entire thread or the OP at the moment but King Cerberus also has AZ and is stated in the official art book for DMC5 to be using his AZ to cool the heat produced by the Qliphoth to stimulate the Fruit's growth. King Cerberus' ice reaches many stories above and even fodder demons are unaffected by being in rooms made out of it.
And i said something about King Cerberus' feat not being legit when?
 
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Well, according to the page can qualify for power null

I going to wait other opinions about this
Where does the page say it can qualify for power null?

It does not help you, you're just misunderstanding the page. "Nullifying magical phenomena" doesn't mean "you block electricity". It means "you dispell any magic sent your way". Do i need to explain the difference between "blocking" and "dispelling" or is it clear enough?

yamato being vergil's sword doesn't mean anything the yamato reacts to sparda's bloodline it's why it reacted to nero and resurrected him yamato is impowerd with sparda's power if it can work on nero it will work on dante as well you are just being fussy about it
Proof of that?

That despair aura is very much flowery writing considering it says "radiated despair". Dante and BH's aura did not fear hax the entire building, their magical energy was so strong that people knew they had to flee, again going back to the "human's 6th sense of danger" which was called responsible for all of this, it's a feat for the humans, knowing when something is beyond their capabilities, not for the demons. Aura's do exist in DMC when did i say it didn't? But the fear hax is not an aura, it's just people being able to sense how much more powerful something is. All these examples you have, i don't see how it's any different from people instinctively running away from a bull that escaped into the crowd. Both work because of a human's sense of danger, both will make an entire crowd run for the hills if they decide to show how powerful they are. As for the despair that has nothing to do with fear, so leave that for another time.

I don't see what Yamato has to do with this, it's relevant because it can travel between Human and Demon World, worlds that had their connection severed by Sparda in the past, travelling between other dimensions besides that was never a problem in DMC
The 2 true dimensions you mean? Yes, which is why i said "no one should argue that these escaping pocket dimensions feats should never be argued to cross actual universes, because they are not actual universes".

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1) How is griffon evaporating after being hit by Mundus' lightning an anti feat for demons all dying the same way? Fam...he wasn't killed by dante, he was still alive ofc he wouldn't have evaporated before Mundus killed him.
>Phantom dies after falling and being impaled by a statue
>Dante's soul hax working wonders
LMAO, come on at least try with these arguments. So far all 3 examples you gave from the games aren't really sufficient and i can easily say that the anime or novel examples is just "we don't know what happened to them they can easily have evaporated later/offscreen". Considering how every game shows demons dying and becoming whatever the f the developers want.
2) He is already a demon dude, nothing can happen to him even if he doesn't resist. Im talking about the demon world's effects of turning ppl into demons they do not effect demons cus they are technically speaking already affected. The disease and shit that's....fine? But considering Dante did get affected why is that resistance in the first place.
3) You keep bringing these flawed ass examples not understanding how bad they are. This is not about gravity or toxicity, this is about turning people into demons. If the earth turned everyone into a human, would you say Humans are resistant? No, cus you are already a human, you already are what the world is trying to make you. And Tony was not affected by this, nor were the demons, they had other effects put on them, the demons didn't have their soul become demon, nor did they have their body turn into a monster cus they already are demons. Stop using feats of the aliments the demon world induces to scale to soul and corruption.
4) Ok but that is again no different from normal fear inducing. It even says he hears the voices, footsteps etc, he knows he cannot fight demons so him being alone and having a feeling that something is coming would scare him to that point. Normally induced fear, wouldn't work on people who are much stronger than the normal demons as they don't have to fear sth weaker than them, whereas humans do fear something stronger. And again the false equivalency of the Tony using cases of him feeling the change in the air and stuff like that as opposed to normal fear.

1) It is a rule everyone has to follow dude, dante is not nullifying anything, he's blocking it, rendering it useless. Nullifying while still correct is misleading af, cus we use nullification for dispelling, Dante doesn't dispell the magic, he just blocks the hit. Can we stop arguing such a stupid point? Im amazed you can unironically say "royal BLOCK" is power null, it's a f-ing block. Nullification can have many meanings, but dispell is not the one that Dante's using.

1) Huh? Isn't that just hacking at the cores? Need the feat for "destroys the soul without interacting with it".
2) Since forever, toxic stuff still deals internal damage, which can be regenerated. As for the blood, it can still be attributed to regen, Dante's body regens faster than the blood can dissolve it.
3) Dude it's a standard change, not gonna waste time here. Being frozen because you were hit with an AZ thing, isn't resistance to AZ, it's resistance to cold. Debate the guys that changed the standard for that, now you have to prove that Dante was indeed frozen into AZ, because being frozen due to a hit from AZ is not a justification anymore.
4) It would make a ton of sense considering Dante wasn't showing off his power at that point and was in a coma meaning his presence would naturally be weaker than normal. And again you have to prove this power exists for Sparda in the first place. You're just using this out of context line that makes no sense because why just dante? Why not V and Nero too? Why not Urizen? Why not other demons?

1) Yes i am using words over visuals that we cannot see (like inside clothes and stuff like that). Are you going to deny the character's statements themselves for visuals that can be easily hidden inside clothes.

1) Which is what NPI does...
3) I mean, him using them instead of casually teleporting them himself still acts to support the "he can only travel out of pocket realities like that, not true universes".

1) Nero was resurrected because of being Vergil's son. The son of the demon that Yamato was made/intended for. Why didn't Yamato react to Dante the same way it reacted to Nero if that's the case?
4) So we remove this until we get someone to prove it's true sealing and that this sealing would somehow stop portal creation (which it doesn't)?
 
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Where does the page say it can qualify for power null?

It does not help you, you're just misunderstanding the page. "Nullifying magical phenomena" doesn't mean "you block electricity". It means "you dispell any magic sent your way". Do i need to explain the difference between "blocking" and "dispelling" or is it clear enough?
And Vergil's magical swords and Yamato spatial manipulation powers qualifies for that and Efi bringed more examples for that

That despair aura is very much flowery writing considering it says "radiated despair". Dante and BH's aura did not fear hax the entire building, their magical energy was so strong that people knew they had to flee, again going back to the "human's 6th sense of danger" which was called responsible for all of this, it's a feat for the humans, knowing when something is beyond their capabilities, not for the demons. Aura's do exist in DMC when did i say it didn't? But the fear hax is not an aura, it's just people being able to sense how much more powerful something is. All these examples you have, i don't see how it's any different from people instinctively running away from a bull that escaped into the crowd. Both work because of a human's sense of danger, both will make an entire crowd run for the hills if they decide to show how powerful they are. As for the despair that has nothing to do with fear, so leave that for another time.
Is not flowery writing when we know that aura exist in DMC and about the "human's 6th sense of danger" Efi already responded that

1) Nero was resurrected because of being Vergil's son. The son of the demon that Yamato was made/intended for. Why didn't Yamato react to Dante the same way it reacted to Nero if that's the case?

DMC disagrees with you

2) He is already a demon dude, nothing can happen to him even if he doesn't resist. Im talking about the demon world's effects of turning ppl into demons they do not effect demons cus they are technically speaking already affected. The disease and shit that's....fine? But considering Dante did get affected why is that resistance in the first place.
3) You keep bringing these flawed ass examples not understanding how bad they are. This is not about gravity or toxicity, this is about turning people into demons. If the earth turned everyone into a human, would you say Humans are resistant? No, cus you are already a human, you already are what the world is trying to make you. And Tony was not affected by this, nor were the demons, they had other effects put on them, the demons didn't have their soul become demon, nor did they have their body turn into a monster cus they already are demons. Stop using feats of the aliments the demon world induces to scale to soul and corruption.
Dante did get affected by The Demon World's hax and adapted that's why he was resistance and the fact he was affected debunks you argument completely that Dante resistance should be nuked and Demons are affected when they came closer to The nexus of The Demon World
1) Huh? Isn't that just hacking at the cores? Need the feat for "destroys the soul without interacting with it".

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4) So we remove this until we get someone to prove it's true sealing and that this sealing would somehow stop portal creation (which it doesn't)?
Demons before Sparda's sealing was capable to travel betwen The Human World and The Demon World, than Sparda separeted The Demon World and Human World and afther that demons can only manifest in The Human World in their true forms when the barrier is weakened/broken
 
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And Vergil's magical swords and Yamato spatial manipulation powers qualifies for that and Efi bringed more examples for that
The swords are magical, but again they are not "dispelled", they are just blocked. Start learning the difference ffs, how many times do i have to explain it. As for Yamato's spatial manip, either Yamato doesn't always cut space and only cuts space when Vergil wants to which isn't in cases against Dante, or it's plain game mechanics simply because even demon arms from fodder demons can clash with the Yamato, doesn't make them comparable to the Yamato.

Is not flowery writing when we know that aura exist in DMC and about the "human's 6th sense of danger" Efi already responded that
Aura exists for their power, not them "radiating despair", even the way it's worded is flowery.

Ehhhh, i can somewhat agree i guess.

Dante did get affected by The Demon World's hax and adapted that's why he was resistance and the fact he was affected debunks you argument completely that Dante resistance should be nuked
He was affected only by part of them, namely the disease shit. Not the "turning into a demon", which is what im arguing against.

Any more specific on the timestamp?

Demons before Sparda's sealing was capable to travel betwen The Human World and The Demon World, than Sparda separeted The Demon World and Human World and afther that demons can only manifest in The Human World in their true forms when the barrier is weakened/broken
You kind of debunked yourself there.... "then Sparda separated the DW and the HW", yes....separated.
 
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AZ rooms is meaningless unless the entire room was made of AZ ice, where even the air itself is AZ and the demons being brought down to that level. Otherwise it's just a resistance to cold manipulation.




Also why does Void Mundus even have type 5 immortality? There really isn't bypassing a type 5 conventionally, unless you reapply the concept of death back onto the opponent which Dante can't do.



I'm still very confused on the cosmetology of this verse works, Void Mundus is basically an alternative universe for DMC correct? If the novel is supposed to be an AU of the sorts then why in the world are we giving a completely different version of Dante and Mundus the same abilities as their vastly different counter parts?
 
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Also why does Void Mundus even have type 5 immortality?
It's because he is the nexus of the void energy. But well, let's just say i have my own issues with it that i may bring up in another thread.

And @Dienomite22 LordGinSama is correct about the AZ, what you described is still no different from being hit by AZ, you're standing around AZ, doesn't mean you get frozen into AZ because you have your own body temperature which means that the temperature you're frozen into isn't AZ but sth in-between.
 
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The swords are magical, but again they are not "dispelled", they are just blocked. Start learning the difference ffs, how many times do i have to explain it. As for Yamato's spatial manip, either Yamato doesn't always cut space and only cuts space when Vergil wants to which isn't in cases against Dante, or it's plain game mechanics simply because even demon arms from fodder demons can clash with the Yamato, doesn't make them comparable to the Yamato.
Royal Guard nullifies the damage, so my point still stands. Yamato cutting space is NOT gameplay mechanics and Vergil not using Yamato's is pure headcanon

Aura exists for their power, not them "radiating despair", even the way it's worded is flowery.
They aura is for they fear hax too, not only for their powers

He was affected only by part of them, namely the disease shit. Not the "turning into a demon", which is what im arguing against.
He not being affected by the other haxs means he naturally resist plain and simple
Any more specific on the timestamp?
He was doing damage to Griffon without touching the core that is soul hax

You kind of debunked yourself there.... "then Sparda separated the DW and the HW", yes....separated.
Did you missed the part when they say that there is a barrier between than?
 
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Ehh later i deal with other points.
Unless you got a scan showing demons aint affected by demon world hax because they born there.
Instead i have some scans here where Gilver himself states Demons dont get fear haxed by their own nature and Gilver states Dante being half demon, here Dantes admitted he got sick by the demon world, since the tree was warping/bringing the demon world. There is other scan but i believe its enought, even more when Dante got reactive evolution feats just by being half demon, so i can scale to all full demons. Nothing hints Demons not being affected by the demon world just because they are born there, even more when feats related to reactive evolution happens. And also another thing, demons have fear aura and have Madness hax, doenst matter if is six sense, you dont get to used it normaly and neither have affect on you normaly.:)

Royal Guard powernull comes from 5, want know something crazy about it ? Royal Guard works as a shield around dante, works exactly like the power null abilitie from 5 because: we can see Dante literally power nullying Agnus Life manipulation attacks with Royal Guard, Time stamp: 8:22 and 8:38, and before someone say Agnus doenst have life manipulation, the guide itself confirms the hax.

About descontruction, while its true when Gilver as dying by molecules being dissolved (dante didnt cause that), Dante here performs this feat where he almosts divides the molecules around him by speed and Dante on 3 already is more faster than is novel vol 1 counterpart, so descontruction stays and gets even more stronger when dante gets more faster.

Dante bypassed Void Mundus's type 5 immortality, simple as that, we know Void Mundus died because the entire timeline went boom and we know the timelinet went boom because: Void Mundus is stated to sustain the entire demon world and to be the demon world nexus, and is influence spread even on the human world, corrupting bugs, serving as spys to give intel about the rebels, so he died for good. Another proof Void Mundus died, is because when Mundus as defeated NOT KILLED, the demon world only threatened to collapse. So there is a diference when void mundus or mundus get defeated and when they die.

About absolute zero, Frost have claws made of ice that around them the temperature goes way beyond AZ, and they can be used as ranged attack, so Dante gets hit and nothing happens, not even the area that gets hit goes frozen, and he already fighted Ice based demons who scales away above Frosts and he gets unaffected by their AZ attacks.

V's feat is soul hax, he went into Nightmares body and removed his core (soul), thats is counted as Soul hax feat on soul manipulation page. Your problem here is the stantard. (and some staff and already agreed with the cores being soul, just check the my V revision thread).

Ressurection comes from Yamato being able to ressurect the users ( 99% of the time bloodline related, but can choose the user), Nero was ressurected by yamato time stamp: 3:50, you can see Yamato resonated with Nero, something that happens with sparda sword (chooses the user).

And no Dante isnt a demon, he is half human and demon, Gilver already stated that, the manga states both dante and vergil being half human and demon, Arkham also states Vergil is incomplete (not 100% demon) and both human and demon blood flows on Vergil. Time Stamp: 1:35

To NOT BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE BEASTHEADS, you need to be DEMON or BE on SOME % DEMON.


Do you realize Ducas tried to posses Dante right? Thats why Dante mocked Ducas, if Ducas never tried to posses Dante, Dante wouldnt mock Ducas about trying to posses.


Weird you say that, when the series never said about regeneration becoming weaker after long battles. Please show proof, your own words alone dont have face value.





Thats the thing, the sword protects those who are bloodline related and worthy, to the point even Sanctus managed to resonate with the sword, before the sword itself realized there is something wrong. Hell Sparda Sword even revived Trish. The sword didnt make is own presence higher so nobody would detect Dante, if that happened Cavalier and Malphas would have find the sword before V. So the Sparda sword did hide its own presence and Dante's presence.
If you are doubting that Sanctus did resonate with the sword, check this out, so is i believe i made clear that the sword does choose the wielder and protects bloodline related people and worthy people.

About DMC anime resistance to sound manip, here the episode, time stamp: 9:43, she even destroys a concrete pillar. Yes is related to sound, not air manipulation, the entire episode makes that clear.
 
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These repetitive arguments are gonna give me an aneurysm.

Royal Guard nullifies the damage, so my point still stands.
Yes it does, and no your point doesn't. Nullifying damage is not power null.

Not what i said, read again.

They aura is for they fear hax too, not only for their powers
Not necessarily, needs proof. Aura refers to power from what i've been shown, fear aura is another thing entirely.

He not being affected by the other haxs means he naturally resist plain and simple
Being not affected by turning into demon hax because you already are a demon isn't resistance plain and simple.

He was doing damage to Griffon without touching the core that is soul hax
You don't need soul hax to damage the griffon.

Did you missed the part when they say that there is a barrier between than?
Barrier can refer to a separating space.
 
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AZ rooms is meaningless unless the entire room was made of AZ ice, where even the air itself is AZ and the demons being brought down to that level. Otherwise it's just a resistance to cold manipulation.
The whole room is made of AZ ice

Also why does Void Mundus even have type 5 immortality? There really isn't bypassing a type 5 conventionally, unless you reapply the concept of death back onto the opponent which Dante can't do.
Because he is a void

I'm still very confused on the cosmetology of this verse works, Void Mundus is basically an alternative universe for DMC correct? If the novel is supposed to be an AU of the sorts then why in the world are we giving a completely different version of Dante and Mundus the same abilities as their vastly different counter parts?
Void Mundus and Mundus are the same being and Dante is from the original universe
 
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So.... when i will stop being ignored ?

Void Mundus and Mundus are the same being and Dante is from the original universe
ehh to explain better, Mundus is from original universe while void mundus is from alternative reality, he is a void and the nexus of the demon world and later spread his power on the human world after killing Sparda. They have pretty much the same abilities ( i will go into that on a later CTR).
 
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Being a void doesn't make you exempt from the concept of death, that's just non corporal hax and inorganic philology.



And it doesn't matter if the room is made of AZ or not, it's still not freezing the target and bringing their internal temperature to AZ.
 
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So.... when i will stop being ignored ?


ehh to explain better, Mundus is from original universe while void mundus is from alternative reality, he is a void and the nexus of the demon world and later spread his power on the human world after killing Sparda. They have pretty much the same abilities ( i will go into that on a later CTR).




See if you have a good reason as to why they should have the same abilities then that's legitimate but currently in the profiles there's nothing to elaborate on. Being that it's Mundus from an alternative reality it shouldn't scale to main reality Mundus.
 
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Yes it does, and no your point doesn't. Nullifying damage is not power null.
Yeah it is and what Efi said
Not what i said, read again.
I read and you did say that Vergil is not using Yamato powers against Dante based on nothing than headcanon when the vídeo says otherwise and Royal Guard blocking Yamato's spatial manipulation powers is not gameplay mecanics. Stop using the gameplay mecanics card now
Not necessarily, needs proof. Aura refers to power from what i've been shown, fear aura is another thing entirely.
The proof is already there and what Efi said
Being not affected by turning into demon hax because you already are a demon isn't resistance plain and simple.
It's is and you headcanon is not going to charge that
You don't need soul hax to damage the griffon.
You need if you going to kill him, he won't die unless you destroy his core

Barrier can refer to a separating space.
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See if you have a good reason as to why they should have the same abilities then that's legitimate but currently in the profiles there's nothing to elaborate on. Being that it's Mundus from an alternative reality it shouldn't scale to main reality Mundus.
there is a legit reason to scale, i aint bringing here right now, because is totaly irrelevant to the thread and is planned on a future ctr.
 
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He isn't nullifying type 5, he's able to interact and kill those with NEP, and I still see no proof of NEP ever granting type 5 by default. Being non existent shouldn't make you exempt from the concepts of life and death.
 
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Unless you got a scan showing demons aint affected by demon world hax because they born there.
When did i say that? I said they're not affected by "get turned into demons" because they already are demons.

That's talking about despair, not fear.

Again i never argued against this resistance, i argued against the other resistances (of being turned into a demon). When will somebody stop bringing me this same thing over and over despite me saying that my issue is not that?

I've answered that first one several times throughout the thread the "radiated despair" is very flowery. As for madness hax, that's not a thing, that's just saying that people are so scared they go insane, it's a result of the fear people have when meeting them rather than sth the demons induce. As for the fear the scan you posted proves that it's just the 6th sense.

Royal Guard powernull comes from 5, want know something crazy about it ? Royal Guard works as a shield around dante, works exactly like the power null abilitie from 5 because: we can see Dante literally power nullying Agnus Life manipulation attacks with Royal Guard, Time stamp: 8:22 and 8:38, and before someone say Agnus doenst have life manipulation, the guide itself confirms the hax.
This is much better than anything anyone has posted, but it's not enough. In the grab attack he just blocks the grab itself which is a physical attack that can be blocked. In the AoE, that's just game mechanics, you don't block being absorbed and he clearly isn't nullifying the ability as Agnus' life drain (as an ability with all of it's effects) continues even after you've blocked it, if Dante nullified that, it wouldn't continue. Just game mechanics because everything in the game is made in the form of hit-box, and royal block just reacts to these hit-boxes. Makes no sense in context.

About descontruction, while its true when Gilver as dying by molecules being dissolved (dante didnt cause that), Dante here performs this feat where he almosts divides the molecules around him by speed and Dante on 3 already is more faster than is novel vol 1 counterpart, so descontruction stays and gets even more stronger when dante gets more faster.
Glad you agree. Although that 2nd part "the molecules of the sir itself". What is he referring to with "sir"? Also that's not deconstruction, cus that's done with AP (speed in this case). And you can actually atomize things with sheer AP, with more context it could be "can cut molecular structure" which is a form of Durability Negation, but needs a bit more than that, because of as i said, you can accomplish that with sheer AP.

On Type 5 negation and AZ resistance i won't waste too much time cus you didn't bring anything new. The type 5 negation is still just NPI and the AZ resistance is still just resistance to cold, for reasons i have said earlier in the thread.

V's feat is soul hax, he went into Nightmares body and removed his core (soul), thats is counted as Soul hax feat on soul manipulation page. Your problem here is the stantard. (and some staff and already agreed with the cores being soul, just check the my V revision thread).
V's feat is. Not Dante's and V's feat is still ehhhh, cus he did it by grabbing the soul, rather than just yeeting the soul without interacting with it. But again, Dante has no such feat and it should still be specified on the profile that "he can do this by touching a person's soul". I don't mind if it's put as Soul Hax instead of NPI cus im a firm believer of the "if it's explained well enough it doesn't matter".
And no Dante isnt a demon, he is half human and demon, Gilver already stated that, the manga states both dante and vergil being half human and demon, Arkham also states Vergil is incomplete (not 100% demon) and both human and demon blood flows on Vergil. Time Stamp: 1:35.
He isn't, i just said he qualifies as a demon for the beastheads hax and the demon world's demonification. He obviously is half breed.
To NOT BE ASSIMILATED INTO THE BEASTHEADS, you need to be DEMON or BE on SOME % DEMON.
Is this you agreeing with me?
Weird you say that, when the series never said about regeneration becoming weaker after long battles. Please show proof, your own words alone dont have face value.
It's not my words, it's the characters' words, namely Jester and Vergil's words.
Thats the thing, the sword protects those who are bloodline related and worthy, to the point even Sanctus managed to resonate with the sword, before the sword itself realized there is something wrong. The sword didnt make is own presence higher so nobody would detect Dante, if that happened Cavalier and Malphas would have find the sword before V. So the Sparda sword did hide its own presence and Dante's presence.
If you are doubting that Sanctus did resonate with the sword, check this out, so is i believe i made clear that the sword does choose the wielder and protects bloodline related people and worthy people.
I never said the Sword amplified its own presence, i said it has naturally more presence than Dante. Also none of those scans show that the demon sword sparda can hide other people's presence.
About DMC anime resistance to sound manip, here the episode, time stamp: 9:43, she even destroys a concrete pillar. Yes is related to sound, not air manipulation, the entire episode makes that clear.
Yeah yeah fair, but that's just durability. You are getting hit by sound waves, you don't need to resist sound to not die from those. Just durability.


All in all, you're more specific than the other ppl who gave input, some points were the same but some others were much better.
 
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Being a void doesn't make you exempt from the concept of death, that's just non corporal hax and inorganic philology.



And it doesn't matter if the room is made of AZ or not, it's still not freezing the target and bringing their internal temperature to AZ.
According tho Mundus alternative reality key, he is a empty void, not just a common or non specific Void, by that he gains Nonexistent Physiology type 1 which grants him immortality type 5. Seens fine by me.
 
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When did i say that? I said they're not affected by "get turned into demons" because they already are demons.
I asked a scan of demons not being affected because they are born there, you didnt bring any and i did bring scans of dante being affected and reactive evolution feats breaks your entire argument.


That's talking about despair, not fear.
DMC counts them as fear hax.

Again i never argued against this resistance, i argued against the other resistances (of being turned into a demon). When will somebody stop bringing me this same thing over and over despite me saying that my issue is not that?
Again, when you say they are immune to other hax, you also says by consequence they are immune to all other hax related to the demon world, we are SHOWING they do get affected, and AGAIN reactive evolution feats, what the godamn dificulty to understand that?

I've answered that first one several times throughout the thread the "radiated despair" is very flowery. As for madness hax, that's not a thing, that's just saying that people are so scared they go insane, it's a result of the fear people have when meeting them rather than sth the demons induce. As for the fear the scan you posted proves that it's just the 6th sense.
Ahh yes the flowery language card but without elaboration and despair in DMC is fear, the radiated despair goes along with the second novel when demons fear hax people, you know six sense is supernatural by nature (and DMC follows six sense being supernatural), according to the fear hax page, its happens by SUPERNATURAL MEANS. Hell even extra-sensory hax is supernatural by his page stantard.

This is much better than anything anyone has posted, but it's not enough. In the grab attack he just blocks the grab itself which is a physical attack that can be blocked. In the AoE, that's just game mechanics, you don't block being absorbed and he clearly isn't nullifying the ability as Agnus' life drain (as an ability with all of it's effects) continues even after you've blocked it, if Dante nullified that, it wouldn't continue. Just game mechanics because everything in the game is made in the form of hit-box, and royal block just reacts to these hit-boxes. Makes no sense in context.
Holy mother of headcannon, he only absorbs your life when he hits you (thats why the player LOSES health bars), and he only hits you only time, which goes against your logic here, Royal Guard nullified the hax, fits the use of powernull in one of the Royal guard descriptions used on DMC 5, end of discussion and no Earl this hole its gameplay mechanics that you argue have been proved wrong about it on your DMC Speed downgrade thread. Debating this again is a waste of time.

He isn't, i just said he qualifies as a demon for the beastheads hax and the demon world's demonification. He obviously is half breed.
Refuted by reactive evolution feats and demons are generally resistance to Beastheads assimilation hax, GENERALLY IMMUNE, this means some demon at some point did get assimilated.

It's not my words, it's the characters' words, namely Jester and Vergil's words.
AHAHAHA no, Arkham states Vergil and Dante are Tired (which affects their AP and Speed, time stamp 10:18), he never meant for their regeneration, look at Vergil regen speed and both are tired. Time stamp: 10:30 Or here for Dante when Vergil stabs Dante he can see a clear wound and on the next scene he is healed (time stamp: 24:40), even Kid Vergil have this type of feat too.

V's feat is. Not Dante's and V's feat is still ehhhh, cus he did it by grabbing the soul, rather than just yeeting the soul without interacting with it. But again, Dante has no such feat and it should still be specified on the profile that "he can do this by touching a person's soul". I don't mind if it's put as Soul Hax instead of NPI cus im a firm believer of the "if it's explained well enough it doesn't matter".
Grasping others souls is still soul hax, Soul manipulation states that, thats where you wrong, on the same anime episode i just send you, a Demon is possesing the woman singer named Elena (Th demon as controlling elenas body and soul inside her), dante throws rebellion and he straight up kills the demon without even harming Elena. There is your soul hax feat for dante.

Everybody here is free to check the episode.

I never said the Sword amplified its own presence, i said it has naturally more presence than Dante. Also none of those scans show that the demon sword sparda can hide other people's presence.
I guess you didnt read correctly, the fact the sword have more presence means everybody WOULD SENSE THE GODAMN SWORD and find it BEFORE V. The Scans proves the sparda sword HAVE CONSCIENCE and can choose to protect his wielder.

Yeah yeah fair, but that's just durability. You are getting hit by sound waves, you don't need to resist sound to not die from those. Just durability.
I can see where you going, but considering there is another Sound manipulation feat on the novel vol 2 where Berly gets affected and Dante isnt, it does falls into being resistance to sound manipulation.

AZ resistance is still just resistance to cold, for reasons i have said earlier in the thread.
Hmm really, by logic Dante would get frozen by Frosts when near and when he is hit by their claws. Can be just resistance to cold because Frosts own file states they are BEYOND AZ. (of course more negative temperature than AZ). And again Cerberus in 3 freezes the temen-nih-gru door and use alot of AZ attacks and dante get unharmed, have in mind cerberus scales way higher than Frosts.

On Type 5 negation and AZ resistance i won't waste too much time cus you didn't bring anything new
Void Mundus have Nonexistent_Physiology granted because he is a Empty Void, which grants him immortality type 5.
Being a Empty Void fits the criteria.
 

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DMC counts them as fear hax.
Might be better to just call it "Empathic Manipulation" to cover all potential bases. Usually works when an emotional power is a bit vague in application/description.
 
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Might be better to just call it "Empathic Manipulation" to cover all potential bases. Usually works when an emotional power is a bit vague in application/description.
Hmm, that can work actually and would fix some incosistencies. I realized alot of the scans uses Despair.
I will do a search for fear hax on that case.
Thanks :)
 
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I asked a scan of demons not being affected because they are born there, you didnt bring any and i did bring scans of dante being affected and reactive evolution feats breaks your entire argument.
When did i use being born there as an argument? Can you quote that?
DMC counts them as fear hax.
Dargoo answered this, maybe put the despair part in a special thread, gather everything you can to prove it's not flowery and it might be fine. But despair and fear are not the same.
Again, when you say they are immune to other hax, you also says by consequence they are immune to all other hax related to the demon world, we are SHOWING they do get affected, and AGAIN reactive evolution feats, what the godamn dificulty to understand that?
The 2 resistance i mention are "soul" and "corruption". Can you pls show me having issues with the disease and all the other stuff you mentioned? The soul and corruption work to turn people into demons, but Dante already is a demon. That is my only issue, all this whacky disease is all on your side, i never mentioned any issues with any of them.
Ahh yes the flowery language card but without elaboration and despair in DMC is fear, the radiated despair goes along with the second novel when demons fear hax people, you know six sense is supernatural by nature (and DMC follows six sense being supernatural), according to the fear hax page, its happens by SUPERNATURAL MEANS. Hell even extra-sensory hax is supernatural by his page stantard.
The elaboration against flowery language is the one that has to be made, basically proof that that's concrete. All that fear hax page as Dargoo said, it's not despair, so let's stick to only 1. As for the "supernatural", that's a wrong understanding of "supernatural". Because it's supernatural-ish (not really supernatural) for the human (for having this sense to begin with) not the demon.
Holy mother of headcannon, he only absorbs your life when he hits you (thats why the player LOSES health bars), and he only hits you only time, which goes against your logic here, Royal Guard nullified the hax, fits the use of powernull in one of the Royal guard descriptions used on DMC 5, end of discussion and no Earl this hole its gameplay mechanics that you argue have been proved wrong about it on your DMC Speed downgrade thread. Debating this again is a waste of time.
The fact that the game allows you to "block" absorption is not game mechanics how? And no it's not power null cus the ability was still in effect for Agnus, Dante just "blocked" it, which again is ugh....the hit box existing in absorption.
Refuted by reactive evolution feats and demons are generally resistance to Beastheads assimilation hax, GENERALLY IMMUNE, this means some demon at some point did get assimilated.
The beastheads outright say "it replenishes demons", it legit doesn't even negatively affect demons, let alone arguing for resistance.
Arkham: You are wounded and weak.
You: No he did not say that.
And again other cases of them being tired don't really help, i can easily say their regen wasn't taxed to the same level as in the 2nd fight, or after Urizen. You're contradicting the words directly here.
Grasping others souls is still soul hax, Soul manipulation states that, thats where you wrong, on the same anime episode i just send you, a Demon is possesing the woman singer named Elena (Th demon as controlling elenas body and soul inside her), dante throws rebellion and he straight up kills the demon without even harming Elena. There is your soul hax feat for dante.
That probs needs to be fixed on the page tbh, but eh whatever i can't say anything for now.
Hmm, wouldn't it be limited though? Cus he can yeet the demons off of someone, but he didn't detach the woman's soul from her body, considering she's alive and all.
I guess you didnt read correctly, the fact the sword have more presence means everybody WOULD SENSE THE GODAMN SWORD and find it BEFORE V. The Scans proves the sparda sword HAVE CONSCIENCE and can choose to protect his wielder.
I mean it having more presence than a passed out dante that had been in a coma for a month isn't exactly more presence than everybody.
I can see where you going, but considering there is another Sound manipulation feat on the novel vol 2 where Berly gets affected and Dante isnt, it does falls into being resistance to sound manipulation.
Oh, that sounds fair. Although needs to be said on the profile that he is just more tolerant to loud noises (doesn't get deafened). Although it could be attributed to regen, but eh no big deal, it can stay.
Hmm really, by logic Dante would get frozen by Frosts when near and when he is hit by their claws. Can be just resistance to cold because Frosts own file states they are BEYOND AZ. (of course more negative temperature than AZ). And again Cerberus in 3 freezes the temen-nih-gru door and use alot of AZ attacks and dante get unharmed, have in mind cerberus scales way higher than Frosts.
Uhhh when did cerberus in 3 show to have AZ? Also i've told you like 16 times that the frost one doesn't qualify for resistance to AZ and is just resistance to cold. I didn't change the standard. Dargoo did.
Void Mundus have Nonexistent_Physiology granted because he is a Empty Void, which grants him immortality type 5.
Being a Empty Void fits the criteria.
As i said i have my own issues on this but this is not the thread for it.
 
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Might be better to just call it "Empathic Manipulation" to cover all potential bases. Usually works when an emotional power is a bit vague in application/description.
I need to make you a question, the wiki here treats Six sense as supernatural in nature ?
 
I do agree that Empathic manip seems better for their multiple feats

"Hmm, wouldn't it be limited though? Cus he can yeet the demons off of someone, but he didn't detach the woman's soul from her body, considering she's alive and all"

As you know, demons are evil spirits, not only Dante can kill demons possessing dolls directly, when they don't have their physical form (Devil May Cry 1, which is the same feat the many chars of the Castlevania cast has Soul Hax), but separating the demon from Elena is literally yeeting a soul out of her body, in this case the evil spirit, not Elena's own Soul

"The soul and corruption work to turn people into demons, but Dante already is a demon. That is my only issue, all this whacky disease is all on your side, i never mentioned any issues with any of them."

The corruption is to transform beings into a specific type of Demon, we have many scans for Disease stuff happening on the first novel

Scan 1 and Scan 2
 
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>Me saying i have no issue with the disease stuff
>People "BUT MUH HAVE SCANS FOR THAT"

Hoi fam, i did not ask. I have no issue with that, and i swear to god the next person who brings that up should leave the debate as he's either fucking blind or outright refusing to read anything i am saying and sticks to arguing whatever the hell he wants instead of the true topic of the argument. Jeez, you guys are abysmal, did you really learn to read correctly?

Need scan for corruption turning people into a specific type of demon though.

As for the evil spirit, that's why i say it's limited. He can yeet evil spirits from people, not the person's own soul. Would work as a nice counter to type 6 immortality though, so that's pretty good.
 
Arkham: You are wounded and weak.
You: No he did not say that.
And again other cases of them being tired don't really help, i can easily say their regen wasn't taxed to the same level as in the 2nd fight, or after Urizen. You're contradicting the words directly here.


Arkham's statements does open a possibility, but feats go completely against said statement, and we have multiple feats from tired Dante, Vergil and etc of still having high level regen, and that's what most amazes me, based on a single quote from a game you just wanna ignore the HUGE collection of feats of regen-when-tired. Not only that, but Dante has multiple other feats of negating Regeneration, Beowulf didn't heal from his eye wound (Was okay but kept blinded), Argosax was partially broken and didn't healed (And he has far superior regen to Sid), Urizen couldn't heal from Dantes's wounds (Another one with superior regen to Sid)

Scan 1

Scan 2

Scan 3

Scan 4


Sid and Nero have Low-High regen feats (and this is Nero after the beatdown from Savior/Sanctus), multiple people scale from them and some of them couldn't heal from Dante's attacks
 
"As for the evil spirit, that's why i say it's limited"

Suuure, limited when Dante can directly kill them while they are possessing physical stuff in our world, yeeting souls out of people body isn't the only feat on his side

"Need scan for corruption turning people into a specific type of demon though."

Corruption scan

Hmm, it says "humans", dunno if we can actually use then
 
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I mean you wanna disregard 2 quotes off of something that can be easily hidden within clothes? You're contradicting the canon here buddy.

As for those examples you mentioned when did Beowulf show any kind of regen ever?
Agrosax has shown regen?
I mean...Urizen how is his case any different from the normal demons Dante fights?

And the fact that Vergil regens from Dante's attacks is proof enough that this ability isn't really a thing for Dante.

The soul manip: Ok that's what i said, can kill demons who have possessed humans. But he doesn't yeet their soul. And what else do they have on their side.

Corruption: 1. Humans. 2. That's just a type of monster they were turned into. The spider was another demon that was created from the demon world. It's clearly not a specific demon considering there are 2 types of demons that have been created from humans into the demon world so...yeah. It just turns people into demons in general.
 
As for those examples you mentioned when did Beowulf show any kind of regen ever?
Agrosax has shown regen?
I mean...Urizen how is his case any different from the normal demons Dante fights?


Beowulf is a high level demon, they have regen thanks to their physiology, it's linked to their blood as you can see

Lower Tier demons have showcased high evel regen feats

Scan 1

Scan 2

Scan 3

And there are others

Keep ignoring the obvious scalling to Sid in Argosax's and Urizen's case, it's on their profiles, it's on their demon physiology page, Urizen is shown being cut and not healing in the very cutscene he got defeated, same for Argosax

"I mean you wanna disregard 2 quotes off of something that can be easily hidden within clothes? You're contradicting the canon here buddy."

I literally didn't understood what you mean there, sure clothes on a game vs feats, scans, statements from games, manga, novels, anime, anyway, I really don't think using canon contradicts canon, well, we learn new things everyday apparently

And the fact that Vergil regens from Dante's attacks is proof enough that this ability isn't really a thing for Dante.

Suuuuuuuuure, because we don't have something called Resistance here, Vergil healing from Dante is something consistent in the entire show, that doesn't nuke the other blalant feats
 
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I need to make you a question, the wiki here treats Six sense as supernatural in nature ?
It depends on how the sixth sense is explained, and what the verse means by "sixth sense", which is something that can mean a ton of different things.
 
It depends on how the sixth sense is explained, and what the verse means by "sixth sense", which is something that can mean a ton of different things.
Their "Sixth Sense" fits Extrasensory Perception actually, they can sense people from far away, sense their power, aura, Dante constantly senses evil in Mallet Island on DMC1, it does seem to be supernatural

They also have some Enhanced Senses feats, seeing souls for example
 
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Nero....pre-awakening....regen?
..........Excuse me?
Their "Sixth Sense" fits Extrasensory Perception actually, they can sense people from far away, sense their power, aura, Dante constantly senses evil in Mallet Island on DMC1, it does seem to be supernatural
he's talking about human's 6th sense which is the reason for the fear they perceive. Not Dante sensing aura.

Beowulf is a high level demon, they have regen thanks to their physiology, it's linked to their blood as you can see
Yet he himself never showed any feats of regen. He could not heal up his head from Vergil's sword either. You don't use a dude who has never shown regen to argue for regen negation. Find me better examples.

Urizen is shown being cut and not healing in the very cutscene he got defeated
Yet that same Urizen is shown being cut by Nero and taking about a minute to heal a single graze. Also Urizen and Vergil are the same person the fact that Urizen couldn't heal from Dante's would but Vergil could just proves the fact that it has nothing to do with regen negation and resistance, but rather Urizen not being that good at regen to begin with as shown with Nero and his graze.

I literally didn't understood what you mean there, sure clothes on a game vs feats
You're the one using "we see no wounds" despite clothes being a thing to deny the fact that it can get taxed as stated by the characters. There is no statement in the entirety of the DMC canon that their regen cannot be taxed, however the opposite is true. And i can easily say that all those other examples that the author didn't consider their regen taxed enough in those cases. Or that their wounds weren't 100% healed at that point. Vergil was cut in half? Part of his body healed (connected) but the wound was still there. You're the one saying "they're not wounded" despite them stating "we are wounded". How can you even argue against what the characters say?
 
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