Disney Discussion Thread

[DimeUhDozen]

I guess this is a fair point, although i think it should be better to we rename the Epic Mickey key "Epic Mickey 1 & 2" to differentiatte them from the Power of Illusion scaling

Yeah, probably.

Can you calculate it? Otherwise i will try to request someone

I could try? It wouldn’t be perfect.

Mickey's sun feat might be valid? Considering he would need to move the sun in order to perform it while mantaining the background intact, i think that Star level via Reality Warping can work

Iirc the sun was already just up there and it’s a much smaller sun. It’s not even as big as Mickey.

Goofy destroying the japanese sun is very weird and i honestly have no concrete opinion on it

Me neither. I lean towards it just not being applicable.

I have two problems with the "2013 Goofy destroying the sun" feat:

1. It was a FAR stronger Goofy who performed the feat, so it shouldn't scale to base Goofy at all
2. Goofy didn't performed any feat at all, he just stood at the same place and did nothing, the ball reflected on the baseball bat and somehow destroyed the sun, but Goofy did not had any impact on it at all

Yeah, it has the most plausible levels of destruction, but the weirdest circumstances, so eh.

Does Aladdin contains anything that makes reference to Mickey Mouse/The Actors Canon outside of some meta jokes?

There’s more than just Darkwing as I’ve found in some deep diving. There’s Bonkers and TaleSpin as well, which is really interesting because we have to deep dive on Bonkers as well (I couldn’t finish it because I found Bonkers too annoying but I could soldier through it for the toon feats).

There’s a line I believe about Genie getting all his references from traveling through time, but I’d have to find it. If I do find it, the references could be valid.

Also, what's the reasoning for Hercules to be canon?

There’s an episode of the series that crosses over with Aladdin and it’s specifically noted to take place after Aladdin and the Prince of Thieves since Jasmine is married to Aladdin.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Yeah, probably.

Alright, so i will take this as my final stance regarding the continuity

I could try? It wouldn’t be perfect.

I think you can do a good calc on the feat, being honest

Iirc the sun was already just up there and it’s a much smaller sun. It’s not even as big as Mickey.

What i meant is that he would need to move the big sun to his side and turn it small

There’s more than just Darkwing as I’ve found in some deep diving. There’s Bonkers and TaleSpin as well, which is really interesting because we have to deep dive on Bonkers as well (I couldn’t finish it because I found Bonkers too annoying but I could soldier through it for the toon feats).

There’s a line I believe about Genie getting all his references from traveling through time, but I’d have to find it. If I do find it, the references could be valid.

If this line exists i can see a bigger case for Aladdin being canon.

Bonkers is heavily implied to be canon through several appeareances of characters such as Mickey and Donald so i don't have a problem with it. TaleSpin is a more complicated case, though

There’s an episode of the series that crosses over with Aladdin and it’s specifically noted to take place after Aladdin and the Prince of Thieves since Jasmine is married to Aladdin.

Oh yeah, i know this episode

Crossovers are.... complicated to dell with in terms of canonicity, but i can see from where you are coming from

 

[GoCommitDi]

I want the leaf blower feat to be consistent it'd be so funny

 

[DimeUhDozen]

What i meant is that he would need to move the big sun to his side and turn it small

I believe in the scene the sun was always that small. Mickey himself didn’t do anything to it.

Bonkers is heavily implied to be canon through several appeareances of characters such as Mickey and Donald so i don't have a problem with it. TaleSpin is a more complicated case, though

I found some material from I believe Ducktales or Darkwing that directly references a shop that existed in Talespin as well as some other references so it may not be so far fetched. It’s so weird to have Jungle Book and Talespin exist in the same canon though. It doesn’t contradict anything, but it’s just strange.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I believe in the scene the sun was always that small. Mickey himself didn’t do anything to it.

Yeah you're right

I found some material from I believe Ducktales or Darkwing that directly references a shop that existed in Talespin as well as some other references so it may not be so far fetched.

As long as TaleSpin also references any of these shows it should be fine

It’s so weird to have Jungle Book and Talespin exist in the same canon though. It doesn’t contradict anything, but it’s just strange.

With enough research, it might be possible to make every single movie and cartoon Disney released in the 90s canon to each other

 

[DimeUhDozen]

As long as TaleSpin also references any of these shows it should be fine

I think in one episode, the product Pep! from a Ducktales episode is featured in TaleSpin. I’ll look for more though.

The ones I found are Khan’s mugshot in Bonkers, Goof Troop having a reference to a shop from the series, and Genie dressing everyone up as the TaleSpin characters.

With enough research, it might be possible to make every single movie and cartoon Disney released in the 90s canon to each other

The Lion King might be on the table with the ending of The Lion King 1 1/2. Aladdin and Hercules for the reasons above. And maaaybe Moana and Wreck It Ralph? I feel confident in the first three, not much for the last two.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I think in one episode, the product Pep! from a Ducktales episode is featured in TaleSpin. I’ll look for more though.

The ones I found are Khan’s mugshot in Bonkers, Goof Troop having a reference to a shop from the series, and Genie dressing everyone up as the TaleSpin characters.

It is better to we get more "significant" references, but this is a good start

The Lion King might be on the table with the ending of The Lion King 1 1/2. Aladdin and Hercules for the reasons above. And maaaybe Moana and Wreck It Ralph? I feel confident in the first three, not much for the last two.

The Lion King being canon is fine to me.

But yeah i will definitely disagree with Wreck It Ralph being canon, Disney characters are treated as fiction and the second movie itself heavily contradicts the Acting Canon.

Unless Moana 2 adds anything new, i also disagree with any form of canonicity between it and the Main Mickey Continuity

 

[DimeUhDozen]

It is better to we get more "significant" references, but this is a good start

Yeah, I'll probably get more when I watch them all the way through.

The Lion King being canon is fine to me.

The Lion King 1 1/2 actually does something really interesting which I think provides some really good concrete evidence of our suggestion. Timon and Pumbaa watch the events of the film like it's a movie, and yet every emotional beat is still just as important to them, as if it actually happened. In the moment, everything is real to them, so they're not acting, but it's still produced as a film. That's very interesting, especially since regardless of them breaking the fourth wall (i.e. "Pumbaa, not in front of the kids"), that doesn't make them any less "real". Simba seems confused at this, implying he's not in on it either, so only a select few like Genie know about this whole thing. In Power of Illusion, every single character is convinced that their stories are real, even when displaced out of them during their progression. And it's only after they're finished that they acknowledge them as "movies", like Cruella's example. Talk about method acting.

But yeah i will definitely disagree with Wreck It Ralph being canon, Disney characters are treated as fiction and the second movie itself heavily contradicts the Acting Canon.

Unless Moana 2 adds anything new, i also disagree with any form of canonicity between it and the Main Mickey Continuity

Agreed. I only say this because they just do the bare minimum. It looks like everything in the Walt Disney Animation Studios canon past Tangled isn't canon. (Rapunzel was in Power of Illusion, but this is only one-sided)

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

The Lion King 1 1/2 actually does something really interesting which I think provides some really good concrete evidence of our suggestion. Timon and Pumbaa watch the events of the film like it's a movie, and yet every emotional beat is still just as important to them, as if it actually happened. In the moment, everything is real to them, so they're not acting, but it's still produced as a film. That's very interesting, especially since regardless of them breaking the fourth wall (i.e. "Pumbaa, not in front of the kids"), that doesn't make them any less "real". Simba seems confused at this, implying he's not in on it either, so only a select few like Genie know about this whole thing. In Power of Illusion, every single character is convinced that their stories are real, even when displaced out of them during their progression. And it's only after they're finished that they acknowledge them as "movies", like Cruella's example. Talk about method acting.

I agree with you, The Lion King is surpringly consistent with how House of Mouse shows the characters and their movies. Although i think it's fine to that most Mickey characters are some of the few people that actually knows that they are acting, albeit still having similar personalities with the characters they portray

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Blood and Honey Winnie the Pooh (Wall level) trying to harm Classic Winnie the Pooh (City Block level) be like:

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I agree with you, The Lion King is surpringly consistent with how House of Mouse shows the characters and their movies. Although i think it's fine to that most Mickey characters are some of the few people that actually knows that they are acting, albeit still having similar personalities with the characters they portray

I think the “cartoon stars” like Mickey, Roger, and Oswald have turned it more into a profession so it’d make sense that they’re more hands-on with the development of the cartoons. Roger sometimes follows a script, but most of the time, it’s just improv and instead of “sets” like how it is in WFRR, in stuff like the rollercoaster shorts, it’s shown they use the projector portal technology like the kind seen in Epic Mickey.

In shorts like Get A Horse, Steamboat Silly and Runaway Railway as well, you can actually break the fourth wall via sheer force and gain access to whatever’s on the other side of the screen. It’s hard to quantify this exactly, but I have a loose understanding of how it works.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I think the “cartoon stars” like Mickey, Roger, and Oswald have turned it more into a profession so it’d make sense that they’re more hands-on with the development of the cartoons. Roger sometimes follows a script, but most of the time, it’s just improv and instead of “sets” like how it is in WFRR, in stuff like the rollercoaster shorts, it’s shown they use the projector portal technology like the kind seen in Epic Mickey.

The Projector Screens are more of way of Mickey to travel through his classic shorts rather than the places where he filmed his films

Roger's case is an outlier, i think, since he is showed to apparently have no beef with the people he work with. Different of characters like Mickey and his beef with Pete, despite both being professional colleagues

In shorts like Get A Horse, Steamboat Silly and Runaway Railway as well, you can actually break the fourth wall via sheer force and gain access to whatever’s on the other side of the screen. It’s hard to quantify this exactly, but I have a loose understanding of how it works.

Most of these cases seem like simple fourth wall gags rather than anything solid that causes any serious implication tbh. Only the Steamboat Silly case is different but it would fall under a similar example to what i firstly said above

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Are we going to add new ability for Mickey besides the possibility of High-Godly regen?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

The Projector Screens are more of way of Mickey to travel through his classic shorts rather than the places where he filmed his films

Roger's case is an outlier, i think, since he is showed to apparently have no beef with the people he work with. Different of characters like Mickey and his beef with Pete, despite both being professional colleagues


Most of these cases seem like simple fourth wall gags rather than anything solid that causes any serious implication tbh. Only the Steamboat Silly case is different but it would fall under a similar example to what i firstly said above

I meant how it's basically consistent that you can break the rift between the watched and the watcher if you apply enough force. Most of the time, it's done on accident. In Runaway Railway, it's how the audience gains entry to the cartoon reality. An explosion causes a rip in the projector screen and the audience walks in. Same thing with Get A Horse. It might be a Weeping Angels thing where wherever it's being watched, it can apply the same effects, but it's really hard to wrap your head around. It's not an important factor to cover, but something worth considering if it's ever brought up.

Are we going to add new ability for Mickey besides the possibility of High-Godly regen?

There are some extra abilities I found for the Sorcerer's Hat in Mickey's 60th Birthday. It stars and was approved by Michael Eisner who was the CEO of Disney at the time, so I think we can count it. I couldn't mind anything else, and there were surprisingly not many abilities for Donald in the Modern era. His profile is basically done. The only things that might be a factor now are Ducktales, and maybe Goof Troop and Quack Pack. The latter ones are relatively grounded so I don't think we'll get anything out of them.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I meant how it's basically consistent that you can break the rift between the watched and the watcher if you apply enough force. Most of the time, it's done on accident. In Runaway Railway, it's how the audience gains entry to the cartoon reality. An explosion causes a rip in the projector screen and the audience walks in. Same thing with Get A Horse. It might be a Weeping Angels thing where wherever it's being watched, it can apply the same effects, but it's really hard to wrap your head around. It's not an important factor to cover, but something worth considering if it's ever brought up.

Fine

There are some extra abilities I found for the Sorcerer's Hat in Mickey's 60th Birthday. It stars and was approved by Michael Eisner who was the CEO of Disney at the time, so I think we can count it. I couldn't mind anything else, and there were surprisingly not many abilities for Donald in the Modern era. His profile is basically done. The only things that might be a factor now are Ducktales, and maybe Goof Troop and Quack Pack. The latter ones are relatively grounded so I don't think we'll get anything out of them.

I have saw your profile draft for Donald, good job as always!

Donald barely appears in DuckTales with the excuse he was in U.S. Navy so the show ins't a factor, same with Goof Troop

Quack Pack seems to have some stuff (Like, the first episode has Donald becoming a Supervillan)

Btw, wouldn't Mickey's 60th Birthday be part of the Classical Era? Since it came chronologically before Epic Mickey

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I have saw your profile draft for Donald, good job as always!

Donald barely appears in DuckTales with the excuse he was in U.S. Navy so the show ins't a factor, same with Goof Troop

Quack Pack seems to have some stuff (Like, the first episode has Donald becoming a Supervillan)

Btw, wouldn't Mickey's 60th Birthday be part of the Classical Era? Since it came chronologically before Epic Mickey

Thanks. Also I just caught a glimpse of something from Quack Pack that has some cosmic feats with supervillain Donald.

And yeah, it would. I'm thinking of moving Sorcerer Mickey to Classic era.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I calced the Pete moon feat and I got a Large Planet result. It's just going to take a while because I have to pixel scale like 30 things and fit them all into one blog.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Might be important for High-Godly.



Surprisingly consistent with how magic is handled elsewhere.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Might be important for High-Godly.

Honestly, i can see some degree of Fate Manipulation through wishes

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I wonder if we could use Donald jumping from New Mexico to Oklahoma as a feat to upgrade The Classical Era's lifting strength

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Honestly, i can see some degree of Fate Manipulation through wishes

Agreed, since the wishes in discussion were things along the lines of “I wish my prince would come” or “I wish for a happily ever after”.

It might also be important since if paint is magic, supported by evidence of it harnessing imagination, then it must also be comprised of wishes, which are ideas.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I wonder if we could use Donald jumping from New Mexico to Oklahoma as a feat to upgrade The Classical Era's lifting strength

I think we possibly could.

 

[Propellus]

I wonder if we could use Donald jumping from New Mexico to Oklahoma as a feat to upgrade The Classical Era's lifting strength

He started running from California all the way to Virginia, no?

 

[DimeUhDozen]

He started running from California all the way to Virginia, no?

The speed of this was already calced accounting for that. I think he means the LS force for the jump.

 

[Propellus]

The speed of this was already calced accounting for that. I think he means the LS force for the jump.

Oh right, nvm lol

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I got the calc up and it's Class T, right behind Class P, which is what Modern scales to.

Donald Duck: Donald Jumps Across States

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Second order of business, I am creating a draft for the High-Godly proposal.

Spoiler: High-Godly Proposal

As the Toon Physiology page states, Toons are made up of magic Paint that gives them sentience and their life, and that their souls are also comprised of paint. But some new info from the art book states that paint is the very basis of cartoon reality, and gives everything its color, sustenance and energy. It also harnesses the power of imagination.

Magic itself is comprised of wishes. When used in conjunction with the power of the stars in the sky, the heart’s magic has the power to make wishes come true. These wishes seem to be able to influence reality, as in this context, when used as examples, the magic of the Blue Fairy, Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother, The Genie from Aladdin, Ursula, and the influence of Neverland are mentioned. Even examples without direct magic influences like Snow White wishing for her prince imply a direct connection to fate.

This is further backed up by Mickey’s example of using magic, where multiple Disney characters like the fairies and Merlin state that the power of magic is in his heart and is derived from his own belief.

Toons can regenerate from having themselves and their paint erased, as well as having their paint directly stripped from them.

As wishes by nature are abstract thoughts, regenerating from having this erased would be High-Godly.

In addition to this, substances like The Dip and Thinner, which can erase Toons, would have High-Godly Regeneration Negation.

Third order of business, I am creating a second version of Mickey and Donald to include the Eisner Era key due to the planetary feats from 2013 bumping the verse up to 5-A. I believe it will be much easier to chew considering the two Tier 6 and two Tier 5 feats in 2013 providing consistency, while the higher Eisner Era feats tend to tread near Tier 7.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I got the calc up and it's Class T, right behind Class P, which is what Modern scales to.

Donald Duck: Donald Jumps Across States

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Cool

Second order of business, I am creating a draft for the High-Godly proposal.

Spoiler: High-Godly Proposal

As the Toon Physiology page states, Toons are made up of magic Paint that gives them sentience and their life, and that their souls are also comprised of paint. But some new info from the art book states that paint is the very basis of cartoon reality, and gives everything its color, sustenance and energy. It also harnesses the power of imagination.

Magic itself is comprised of wishes. When used in conjunction with the power of the stars in the sky, the heart’s magic has the power to make wishes come true. These wishes seem to be able to influence reality, as in this context, when used as examples, the magic of the Blue Fairy, Cinderella’s Fairy Godmother, The Genie from Aladdin, Ursula, and the influence of Neverland are mentioned. Even examples without direct magic influences like Snow White wishing for her prince imply a direct connection to fate.

This is further backed up by Mickey’s example of using magic, where multiple Disney characters like the fairies and Merlin state that the power of magic is in his heart and is derived from his own belief.

Toons can regenerate from having themselves and their paint erased, as well as having their paint directly stripped from them.

As wishes by nature are abstract thoughts, regenerating from having this erased would be High-Godly.

In addition to this, substances like The Dip and Thinner, which can erase Toons, would have High-Godly Regeneration Negation.

Seems ok at a glance ig, btw, shouldn't Toons being made of imagination imply abstract existence?

What about putting the High-Godly and Fate Manipulation proposals on the same thread?

Also, ins't the whole thing about the Toons in Wasteland that they can't regerenerate their own paint and need external methods to do so? This should make only a few specific toons receive High-Godly

Third order of business, I am creating a second version of Mickey and Donald to include the Eisner Era key due to the planetary feats from 2013 bumping the verse up to 5-A. I believe it will be much easier to chew considering the two Tier 6 and two Tier 5 feats in 2013 providing consistency, while the higher Eisner Era feats tend to tread near Tier 7.

The Eisner Era Agenda is back

 

[Bobsican]

Not so fast, paint would have to pass as a type 2 or 1 concept first before claiming High-Godly stuff, as not all abstract things inherently fall as those.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Seems ok at a glance ig, btw, shouldn't Toons being made of imagination imply abstract existence?

I believe Paint only harnesses imagination, but it is not in itself imagination. However, it is made up of wishes.

What about putting the High-Godly and Fate Manipulation proposals on the same thread?

Yeah, I was gonna add that when I got more of an draft. This is more of a skeleton.

Also, ins't the whole thing about the Toons in Wasteland that they can't regerenerate their own paint and need external methods to do so? This should make only a few specific toons receive High-Godly

Yeah, the thing is, a good portion of a Toon’s magic powers come from the heart. As Wasteland toons don’t have a heart, and only have the basic toon force magic mentioned in the WFRR novelization, they don’t have that luxury and can’t leave the Wasteland.

The Eisner Era Agenda is back

Real.

Not so fast, paint would have to pass as a type 2 or 1 concept first before claiming High-Godly stuff, as not all abstract things inherently fall as those.

Draft is going to take a while to complete so it’s not in it’s finished state yet. But the basis for concept stuff is going to be based on wishes, which according to the Blue Fairy, are the magic of the world + magic paint is the basis of all cartoon reality. But that’s just the skeleton. There’s probably going to be much more down the line.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

If Aladdin is confirmed as a two-way crossover, a supporting argument could be made using Chaos and Fate, who are the concepts of Chaos and Fate respectfully, and are both Toons.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

I wanted to hold off on this because I had no idea if Fantasmic was going to get me anything other than hax, but considering that magic stems from thoughts, wishes, the imagination, etc., I think the dream stuff in Fantasmic could scale.

Alright, so first one.



Opening narration states his imagination creates everything in the dreamscape and that nothing is more powerful than the imagination.

When the villains start controlling Mickey's dream, Jafar says this.



This implies Mickey's dream is the size of a whole universe.

Maleficent says in their battle "now you shall deal with me and all the powers of my imagination" and then transforms into a dragon, implying all of her magic scales to this dragon form. Mickey defeats her with his imagination as well as all the other Disney Villains.

Since imagination = magic, Mickey's magic should scale this high when translated to AP. Now, firstly, this only translates to Eisner Era Mickey, so Magician Mickey's parlor tricks don't scale, not that they translate to AP anyways. Fantasia Mickey had no idea how to properly utilize the Sorcerer Hat, and Fantasmic Mickey can only achieve this level of mastery in his dream. And Eisner Era Mickey can only fight with magic using the Sorcerer Hat, which is also durable enough to endure blasts from Jafar's magic, implying this only scales to the hat. This is further backed up by all of the villains, including the ones present in Fantasmic like Maleficent, noticeably consider it a threat. But as of 2013, Mickey has achieved full magic mastery, he should be able to achieve this level of power outside his mind.

So my proposal. Eisner Era Mickey should be 7-A, 3-A in his dream and with the Sorcerer's Hat. While Modern Mickey should be 5-A, 3-A with Magic.

If 3-A is too high or vague, we can also easily scale Mickey to starry-sky stuff or Hades/Jafar depending on how canon stuff goes.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Regarding Donald's Class T feat, i would personally consider it an outlier giving how none feat of The Classical Era aparently comes even close to the same value + We have anti-feats such as Donald needing Jupiter's powers in order to be strong enough to lift a house

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Regarding Donald's Class T feat, i would personally consider it an outlier giving how none feat of The Classical Era aparently comes even close to the same value + We have anti-feats such as Donald needing Jupiter's powers in order to be strong enough to lift a house

Yeah, I guess so. There is another feat of Donald lifting a really large tree, but it’s been hard to calc.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

I wanted to hold off on this because I had no idea if Fantasmic was going to get me anything other than hax, but considering that magic stems from thoughts, wishes, the imagination, etc., I think the dream stuff in Fantasmic could scale.

Alright, so first one.



Opening narration states his imagination creates everything in the dreamscape and that nothing is more powerful than the imagination.

When the villains start controlling Mickey's dream, Jafar says this.



This implies Mickey's dream is the size of a whole universe.

Maleficent says in their battle "now you shall deal with me and all the powers of my imagination" and then transforms into a dragon, implying all of her magic scales to this dragon form. Mickey defeats her with his imagination as well as all the other Disney Villains.

Since imagination = magic, Mickey's magic should scale this high when translated to AP. Now, firstly, this only translates to Eisner Era Mickey, so Magician Mickey's parlor tricks don't scale, not that they translate to AP anyways. Fantasia Mickey had no idea how to properly utilize the Sorcerer Hat, and Fantasmic Mickey can only achieve this level of mastery in his dream. And Eisner Era Mickey can only fight with magic using the Sorcerer Hat, which is also durable enough to endure blasts from Jafar's magic, implying this only scales to the hat. This is further backed up by all of the villains, including the ones present in Fantasmic like Maleficent, noticeably consider it a threat. But as of 2013, Mickey has achieved full magic mastery, he should be able to achieve this level of power outside his mind.

The proposal looks agreedable

I disagree with 2013 Mickey having full mastery of magic, though, the video just shows him learning how to use magic without any kind of external help (Such as the Sorcerer Hat)

Although, what we would in relation to Mickey moving celestial bodies in the OG Fantasia, would we consider it anything beyond a dream?

So my proposal. Eisner Era Mickey should be 7-A, 3-A in his dream and with the Sorcerer's Hat. While Modern Mickey should be 5-A, 3-A with Magic.

Pretty sure we don't give ratings for power levels that can be used on specific locations that a character doesn't normally have any access to

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Two things i want to comment on:

1. How we will handle Scrooge scaling to DW? Will we just update his profile along with the next Mickey CRT's?
2. Darkwing's 8-A+ rating is due to him surviving a fire blast, which is feat of resistance to fire manip, not of durability. We can't use that type of feat for Durability, that's why, per example, the previous value used for PvZ's 8-C rating was downgraded.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

The proposal looks agreedable

I disagree with 2013 Mickey having full mastery of magic, though, the video just shows him learning how to use magic without any kind of external help (Such as the Sorcerer Hat)

Using magic even with the Sorcerer Hat is difficult. Classic Mickey was only able to bring a broom to life and was unable to undo it. Meanwhile, Eisner Era Mickey uses it effortlessly in House of Mouse and fixes Donald’s mistake in Phillarmagic. Earlier in the short, he was doing all kinds of magic when he semi-believed in himself via the fake wand, and some after iirc, so he should have full access to magic abilities afterwards.

Although, what we would in relation to Mickey moving celestial bodies in the OG Fantasia, would we consider it anything beyond a dream?

As imagination and wishes are both “real” in the sense that they make up reality as a whole, it is real, but Mickey can only achieve that level of power in the dream where it’s easier for him to believe in himself. But this doesn’t scale to anything but maybe Sorcerer Hat Eisner Era Mickey or Post-Magic Awakening Modern Mickey.

Pretty sure we don't give ratings for power levels that can be used on specific locations that a character doesn't normally have any access to

I mean, it is in the dreamscape and Mickey can always just access it by falling asleep, and it is a place that all the Disney Villains can invade as a plane. Shouldn’t be any different than the Dark Worlds for Lighteners in Deltarune or avatars in cyberspaces. Not to mention, it is the entire setting of Fantasmic, so it should be prevalent enough.

 

[DimeUhDozen]

Two things i want to comment on:

1. How we will handle Scrooge scaling to DW? Will we just update his profile along with the next Mickey CRT's?

That is the current plan. Also, I, or somebody knowledgable, has to finish Ducktales and the other Disney Afternoon shows first just in case we’ve missed anything.

1. Darkwing's 8-A+ rating is due to him surviving a fire blast, which is feat of resistance to fire manip, not of durability. We can't use that type of feat for Durability, that's why, per example, the previous value used for PvZ's 8-C rating was downgraded.

I thought that was the case for incinerating feats? But, I dunno. There might also be higher feats but even without that, there’s the 8-B feat he scales to also. I guess that wouldn’t exactly matter since he’d get 7-A via scaling to Launchpad.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Using magic even with the Sorcerer Hat is difficult. Classic Mickey was only able to bring a broom to life and was unable to undo it. Meanwhile, Eisner Era Mickey uses it effortlessly in House of Mouse and fixes Donald’s mistake in Phillarmagic. Earlier in the short, he was doing all kinds of magic when he semi-believed in himself via the fake wand, and some after iirc, so he should have full access to magic abilities afterwards.

What would make MIckey's internal magic to have comparable power to that of the Sorcerer's Hat? I get him being able to do magic without the hat but nothing aparently appoints to his own magic being as the one of the hat

As imagination and wishes are both “real” in the sense that they make up reality as a whole, it is real, but Mickey can only achieve that level of power in the dream where it’s easier for him to believe in himself. But this doesn’t scale to anything but maybe Sorcerer Hat Eisner Era Mickey or Post-Magic Awakening Modern Mickey.

Fine

I mean, it is in the dreamscape and Mickey can always just access it by falling asleep, and it is a place that all the Disney Villains can invade as a plane. Shouldn’t be any different than the Dark Worlds for Lighteners in Deltarune or avatars in cyberspaces. Not to mention, it is the entire setting of Fantasmic, so it should be prevalent enough.

This last part is the only stance that i see as feasible for an argument. I don't have any concret opinion on this point, though

That is the current plan. Also, I, or somebody knowledgable, has to finish Ducktales and the other Disney Afternoon shows first just in case we’ve missed anything.

I don't have that much time but i can help researching DuckTales

I thought that was the case for incinerating feats? But, I dunno. There might also be higher feats but even without that, there’s the 8-B feat he scales to also. I guess that wouldn’t exactly matter since he’d get 7-A via scaling to Launchpad.

He will be 7-A, yes, i'm just pointing out for the feat we currently use not being right

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

So... This place is kinda of quiet, huh?

Have any of you ever heard of Mickey Mania?

It is a Mickey game consistent with the Acting + Current Mickey Canon, as showed on the game itself and better explained by it's manual (Page 6-7). I wonder if we could make it part of the main continuity.

If we do so, it should take place before Epic Mickey and after The Prince and the Pauper

 

[DimeUhDozen]

So... This place is kinda of quiet, huh?

Have any of you ever heard of Mickey Mania?

It is a Mickey game consistent with the Acting + Current Mickey Canon, as showed on the game itself and better explained by it's manual (Page 6-7). I wonder if we could make it part of the main continuity.

If we do so, it should take place before Epic Mickey and after The Prince and the Pauper

I believe Mickey Mania is referenced in Epic Mickey as well.

Also sorry, I had plans to do more but I got hit with the flu.