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Disney Discussion Thread

Accelerated_Evolution said:
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Question about Upscaling

Character A scales to High 8-C+ (9.7 Tons) Character B is able to fight a robotic version of Character A who's stated to be "far stronger" than Character A. Could we upscale Character B to 8-B? (Which starts at 11 Tons)?
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"At least 8-B" Mickey on his Epic key (Via upscaling from his Classic version) seems plausible
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Turns out we don’t need this. I found an 8-B feat for Goofy.

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Goofy: Goofed Up Bullfighting

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As of now, these are all of the feats that we found and that are either calculated or somehow measurable by the wiki standards:

Attack Potency/Durability:
Speed:
Lifting Strength:

DimeUhDozen said:
Turns out we don’t need this. I found an 8-B feat for Goofy.

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Goofy: Goofed Up Bullfighting

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The CHAD Goofy having actual 8-B feats while The Virgin Mickey depends on upscaling, based
 
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I've been wondering: Can't the events of Power of Illusion happen in 2012 instead of happening a bit after the first Epic Mickey games? It would solve the problem of Mizrabel needing a significant amount of time to be forgotten + I don't think anything contradicts that
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I've been wondering: Can't the events of Power of Illusion happen in 2012 instead of happening a bit after the first Epic Mickey games? It would solve the problem of Mizrabel needing a significant amount of time to be forgotten + I don't think anything contradicts that
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There is one thing that does. Mickey not knowing who anyone is despite already hosting the House of Mouse. It has to happen sometime before.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
As of now, these are all of the feats that we found and that are either calculated or somehow measurable by the wiki standards:

Attack Potency/Durability:
Speed:
Lifting Strength:


The CHAD Goofy having actual 8-B feats while The Virgin Mickey depends on upscaling, based
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Yeah, never mind. I recalced it and only got Building. I tried looking for pretty much every feat in the classic cartoons but none of them reach any higher than Large Building.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
There is one thing that does. Mickey not knowing who anyone is despite already hosting the House of Mouse. It has to happen sometime before.
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Fine then

DimeUhDozen said:
Yeah, never mind. I recalced it and only got Building. I tried looking for pretty much every feat in the classic cartoons but none of them reach any higher than Large Building.
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Well that's about it lol

C'mon Disney, Bugs Bunny was already destroying the freaking moon during the classical era while you guys didn't have any feat beyond High 8-C
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:


Well that's about it lol

C'mon Disney, Bugs Bunny was already destroying the freaking moon during the classical era while you guys didn't have any feat beyond High 8-C
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Bugs already had Low 2-C minimum feats in the original series too. There’s a City level feat for Oswald but that’s past the Disney era and solely under the Universal umbrella so it wouldn’t count for Epic Mickey canon.

Michael MIGHT be cooked.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Bugs already had Low 2-C minimum feats in the original series too. There’s a City level feat for Oswald but that’s past the Disney era and solely under the Universal umbrella so it wouldn’t count for Epic Mickey canon.

Michael MIGHT be cooked.
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Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck AND Porky Pig already had minimum Low 2-C feats in the 1940s 😭😭😭

The best we got is Mickey briefly tanking an attack that pushes away the universe, although later he dies so fast to it that we can't really scale the attack to him (Albeit you can argue Universal LS due to him still standing unnafected, something the universe behind him couldn't)
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck AND Porky Pig already had minimum Low 2-C feats in the 1940s 😭😭😭

The best we got is Mickey briefly tanking an attack that pushes away the universe, although later he dies so fast to it that we can't really scale the attack to him (Albeit you can argue Universal LS due to him still standing unnafected, something the universe behind him couldn't)
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You could maybe also get Universal LS from the Goofy reef blower feat but you would have to REALLY stretch that. In general, Disney just gets nowhere near the outlandish levels of power Looney Tunes does.
 
What do you people think about the following idea regarding a way to index Mickey's keys?

Classical Era: Starts at the Sound Cartoons and ends at the Roger Rabbit movie

Epic Mickey: Approaches The Prince and the Pauper, Epic Mickey 1, Epic Mickey 2 and Castle of Illusion

Modern Era: Starts at Power of Illusion and, currently, ends at the Paul Rudish Cartoons (Specifically Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway)

Maybe we could make this way easier to understand by putting a "Pre" and "Post-Power of Illusion" denomination along the second and third keys?

Following the above method, the tiers would look like this:

"High 8-C | At least 8-B. Up to Low 6-B with Gems of the Rainbow | 6-B. Up to 5-B with Reality Warping and 4-A with Accumulated Toon Heart Power"

8-B Epic Mickey through upscaling, of course
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
What do you people think about the following idea regarding a way to index Mickey's keys?

Classical Era: Starts at the Sound Cartoons and ends at the Roger Rabbit movie

Epic Mickey: Approaches The Prince and the Pauper, Epic Mickey 1, Epic Mickey 2 and Castle of Illusion

Modern Era: Starts at Power of Illusion and, currently, ends at the Paul Rudish Cartoons (Specifically Mickey & Minnie's Runaway Railway)

Maybe we could make this way easier to understand by putting a "Pre" and "Post-Power of Illusion" denomination along the second and third keys?

Following the above method, the tiers would look like this:

"High 8-C | At least 8-B. Up to Low 6-B with Gems of the Rainbow | 6-B. Up to 5-B with Reality Warping and 4-A with Accumulated Toon Heart Power"

8-B Epic Mickey through upscaling, of course
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Classical Era I’d say either ends with Prince and the Pauper or the original Castle of Illusion. The series seems to follow a chronological structure that somewhat mirrors the real world except the Epic Mickey series and PatP and CoI released literally days after each other.

Epic Mickey should just be Epic Mickey 1+2.

I wouldn’t say Modern Era starts with Power of Illusion since we actually have no idea where in the timeline it actually is. Just between Epic Mickey 1+2 and House of Mouse. I think it starts with Ducktales as a completed project considering it ends a week after Castle of Illusion. And that’s where we get stuff like Darkwing, Goof Troop, etc. And then, it ends with Steamboat Silly as it’s the last recorded thing in the Mickey canon so far.

Also the “up to” for the Gems of the Rainbow scaling isn’t necessary. It blatantly is just Small Country level for being capable of overpowering Mizrabel.
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Classical Era I’d say either ends with Prince and the Pauper or the original Castle of Illusion. The series seems to follow a chronological structure that somewhat mirrors the real world except the Epic Mickey series and PatP and CoI released literally days after each other.

Epic Mickey should just be Epic Mickey 1+2.

I wouldn’t say Modern Era starts with Power of Illusion since we actually have no idea where in the timeline it actually is. Just between Epic Mickey 1+2 and House of Mouse. I think it starts with Ducktales as a completed project considering it ends a week after Castle of Illusion. And that’s where we get stuff like Darkwing, Goof Troop, etc. And then, it ends with Steamboat Silly as it’s the last recorded thing in the Mickey canon so far.
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I think it ends with The Prince and the Pauper given it is implied to be the last thing to happen before Epic Mickey 1.

It should be fine to consider Power of Illusion in the Epic Mickey key giving it is, well, a part of the Epic Mickey series. The implication of only the classical shorts and movies existing during Epic Mickey (While the TV Shows are ignored) seem to imply it takes place before them, so yeah, i agree with the Disney Afternoon stuff being the start of a different era.

Although, the reason for we merge the Eisner and Modern Eras was that we have feats with comparable levels of power of the course of both (Mizrabel storm feat and Mickey shaking the island of Hawaii), giving that we consider Castle of Illusion part of the classical era and don't consider Mizrabel's full power as something that base Mickey scales to, shouldn't we bring it back?

DimeUhDozen said:
Also, could anyone quantify how large this forest is? It's stated that Mizrabel's Masters of Illusion create their own worlds and Mickey doesn't need any gems at all to fight the first, so his Classic self should scale to him.
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According to the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), a forest, at minimum, expands through more than 0.5 hectares (Source - Page 10). Not sure if this may be helpful
 
GoCommitDi said:
It him him in the face, so much so that it blew away all of his clothes
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Taking a look back at this, i still don't think the feat should scale to Goofy at all

The leaf blower didn't actually destroyed the universe, but rather pushed it. Goofy did not withstood the leaf blower's force on him, in fact, he got instantly pushed by it

Talking about cosmic feats:
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Casual reminder that Pete has a 5-C to higher feat

Probably an outlier, although a man can still dream
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I don't think Pete's size should be a problem at all, the feat ins't based on his size being inconsistent in relation to the moon (Such as that one feat of Courage passing through the moon), but rather is based on how big the destruction was caused by him getting slammed on it

Legit or not, i would at least give the feat a try
 
Additionally, shouldn't The Three Caballeros movie be canon? As it introduces Panchito? (Saludos Amigos should technically also be canon due to Zé Carioca's introduction, although idk if we already consider it as part of the "classical shorts")
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I think it ends with The Prince and the Pauper given it is implied to be the last thing to happen before Epic Mickey 1.

It should be fine to consider Power of Illusion in the Epic Mickey key giving it is, well, a part of the Epic Mickey series. The implication of only the classical shorts and movies existing during Epic Mickey (While the TV Shows are ignored) seem to imply it takes place before them, so yeah, i agree with the Disney Afternoon stuff being the start of a different era.
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Consider the timeframe between Castle of Illusion and Power of Illusion. The assumption is that CoI takes place in 1991, days after Prince and the Pauper. It also has to take place before House of Mouse from a narrative standpoint, which takes place in 2001. So if we consider it part of the Epic Mickey key, then we have a timeframe of from 1991-2001. At most, Mizrabel should have around ten years to become forgotten enough to be taken to the Wasteland, so it makes more sense for Castle of Illusion to be in the Classic key rather than modern.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Although, the reason for we merge the Eisner and Modern Eras was that we have feats with comparable levels of power of the course of both (Mizrabel storm feat and Mickey shaking the island of Hawaii), giving that we consider Castle of Illusion part of the classical era and don't consider Mizrabel's full power as something that base Mickey scales to, shouldn't we bring it back?
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I don't think that the Mountain level feat we have for Eisner era Mickey and the Arizona explosion from the Rudish shorts, which is Island level respectively, are too far apart. So I think it can stay, but if people call it too controversial, we can always split as a safer bet.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
According to the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), a forest, at minimum, expands through more than 0.5 hectares (Source - Page 10). Not sure if this may be helpful
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Yeah, I found that but it only equates to Small Building. Classic Mickey is not leaving Large Building hell .

Accelerated_Evolution said:
Talking about cosmic feats:

I don't think Pete's size should be a problem at all, the feat ins't based on his size being inconsistent in relation to the moon (Such as that one feat of Courage passing through the moon), but rather is based on how big the destruction was caused by him getting slammed on it

Legit or not, i would at least give the feat a try
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We also see from the Big Bad Wolf feat that despite the sun appearing closer than it looks and animate, it actually is the same size from a cosmic perspective. There could be an argument to be made there and we could potentially have the scaling to get Base Modern Mickey to Star level. The only feats like this I think are very debatable are Goofy shattering the Japanese sun background, which definitely appears not to be the actual sun, and Mickey grabbing and holding the sun since it really is small enough to fit in his hands.
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Additionally, shouldn't The Three Caballeros movie be canon? As it introduces Panchito? (Saludos Amigos should technically also be canon due to Zé Carioca's introduction, although idk if we already consider it as part of the "classical shorts")
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Yeah, it is. I thought I already said it was?
 
DimeUhDozen said:
Consider the timeframe between Castle of Illusion and Power of Illusion. The assumption is that CoI takes place in 1991, days after Prince and the Pauper. It also has to take place before House of Mouse from a narrative standpoint, which takes place in 2001. So if we consider it part of the Epic Mickey key, then we have a timeframe of from 1991-2001. At most, Mizrabel should have around ten years to become forgotten enough to be taken to the Wasteland, so it makes more sense for Castle of Illusion to be in the Classic key rather than modern.
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I expressed myself badly: I agree with the Epic Mickey key containing only the first two Epic Mickey games + Power of Illusion while CoI and The Prince and the Pauper take place on the classical era

Just to be certain: Should we consider everything related to DuckTales to happen at the 1990s?

DimeUhDozen said:
I don't think that the Mountain level feat we have for Eisner era Mickey and the Arizona explosion from the Rudish shorts, which is Island level respectively, are too far apart. So I think it can stay, but if people call it too controversial, we can always split as a safer bet.
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Fair enough

DimeUhDozen said:
Yeah, I found that but it only equates to Small Building. Classic Mickey is not leaving Large Building hell .
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lol

DimeUhDozen said:
We also see from the Big Bad Wolf feat that despite the sun appearing closer than it looks and animate, it actually is the same size from a cosmic perspective. There could be an argument to be made there and we could potentially have the scaling to get Base Modern Mickey to Star level.
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So do you agree with my logic?

DimeUhDozen said:
The only feats like this I think are very debatable are Goofy shattering the Japanese sun background, which definitely appears not to be the actual sun, and Mickey grabbing and holding the sun since it really is small enough to fit in his hands.
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Could you send those feats? I don't i ever heard of them before
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I expressed myself badly: I agree with the Epic Mickey key containing only the first two Epic Mickey games + Power of Illusion while CoI and The Prince and the Pauper take place on the classical era

Just to be certain: Should we consider everything related to DuckTales to happen at the 1990s?
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I think Power of Illusion should be further into the Modern Key because of the time gap between Epic Mickey and Power of Illusion due to Mizrabel being forgotten. By that logic, since Castle of Illusion and Epic Mickey take place around the same time, Power of Illusion must take place somewhere way past where we have the Epic Mickey key. And yeah, I think we should. It's the start of a whole new era.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
So do you agree with my logic?
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Yeah, we can at least try with the moon feat.
Accelerated_Evolution said:
Could you send those feats? I don't i ever heard of them before
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Here and here. This is the one I think might be valid.
 
I'm starting to buy into the idea of Aladdin and by proxy Hercules being canon to Mickey.
 
Unrelated to this, just felt like posting it randomly
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I compiled two things from the art book that help explain Paint. It's stated to be the basis of all cartoon reality. We might be pretty close to high-godly.



Also, we have confirmation from the art book that The Three Musketeers is considered canon.

 
DimeUhDozen said:
I think Power of Illusion should be further into the Modern Key because of the time gap between Epic Mickey and Power of Illusion due to Mizrabel being forgotten. By that logic, since Castle of Illusion and Epic Mickey take place around the same time, Power of Illusion must take place somewhere way past where we have the Epic Mickey key.
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I guess this is a fair point, although i think it should be better to we rename the Epic Mickey key "Epic Mickey 1 & 2" to differentiatte them from the Power of Illusion scaling

DimeUhDozen said:
Yeah, we can at least try with the moon feat.
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Can you calculate it? Otherwise i will try to request someone

DimeUhDozen said:
Here and here. This is the one I think might be valid.
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Mickey's sun feat might be valid? Considering he would need to move the sun in order to perform it while mantaining the background intact, i think that Star level via Reality Warping can work

Goofy destroying the japanese sun is very weird and i honestly have no concrete opinion on it

I have two problems with the "2013 Goofy destroying the sun" feat:
  1. It was a FAR stronger Goofy who performed the feat, so it shouldn't scale to base Goofy at all
  2. Goofy didn't performed any feat at all, he just stood at the same place and did nothing, the ball reflected on the baseball bat and somehow destroyed the sun, but Goofy did not had any impact on it at all
 
DimeUhDozen said:
I'm starting to buy into the idea of Aladdin and by proxy Hercules being canon to Mickey.
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Does Aladdin contains anything that makes reference to Mickey Mouse/The Actors Canon outside of some meta jokes?

Also, what's the reasoning for Hercules to be canon?

DimeUhDozen said:
I compiled two things from the art book that help explain Paint. It's stated to be the basis of all cartoon reality. We might be pretty close to high-godly.



Also, we have confirmation from the art book that The Three Musketeers is considered canon.

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Nice
 
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