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do we even know the range between these two
edit: Op didn't say anything about the distance between these two, shrug.
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DIO vs Makima (battle of two control freaks)
- Thread starter Spinoirr
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edit: Op didn't say anything about the distance between these two, shrug.
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do they also have the same immortality as makima or smth. or would they just be reduced to a paste in less than a second because mftl speed goes brrr
almost forgot to ask, what's their dura value.
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"Starting distance: The characters start as far away from each other as the highest range of the fighters is, but a maximum of 4 kilometers. For example, if one character has a range of 10 meter and the other has a range of 20 meter they start 20 meter apart. However if the range of one character is 10 meter and the range of the other is 5 kilometer, they start only 4 kilometer apart." This is according to SBA so they start 4km apart due to Makima's ridiculous range, which mean unless Dio has the appropriate Movement speed to close the distance he'll get tagged by and mind hax by Makima kilometers away since she can actually see that far.
Bruh
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Her hybrid minions are also immortal and thanks to Makima's control power she can revive and control even the dead or turn them into zombies. Their dura scale to or above a pre training Denji who's 7.45 ton with Makima being far above that as she can blow limbs off and punch a hole through End of part 1 Denji with no damage to her body
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The problem is that OP never said that in the first place, or even use the word "SBA" from what I saw.
Though I fail to see as to why he wouldn't opt to just mindhax her, via well, speedblitz gg + he has time stop to implant the buds. And by speed blitz.. she's like, as slow as a statue in his perception, and when it comes to his combat speed, she's also a statue in speed comparison. So like..
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so basically, they're still fodder and pose no obstructions due to the sheer speed difference + time stop.
Bruh
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He can't actually as her contract will automatically remove them as they count as an attack
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I'm going to have to call you out on that, not only is that not on the profile, no such showing exists from what I recall, I'm nearly certain when they say "attack", they mean actual attacks like punches and kicks and physical damage and death, not hax, exotic abilities and more.
Don't extrapolate words beyond what they're intended to mean.
And even then, who says they count as an attack? Where does it begin? Where does it end? Is it an attack? Or is it just a shift in one's thoughts? Is it meant to be hostile or not? You're entering a slippery slope of NLF there lad.
Bruh
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SBA=Standard Battle Assumption, which we use when the OP doesn't specify
Bruh
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His flesh buds literally dig into a person flesh and skull and penetrate the brain, if that's not an attack I don't know what is. The explanation is in CSM chapter 84
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Yeah, I know, that isn't the issue, the issue is what comes after mate, the mindhax.
The mindhax, she needs to actually remove it first to prevent the mindhax, it's not like the attacker just instantly vanishes alongside the damage, the damage from the attacks get put onto someone else and she just heals, how it works in function.
If for example, CSM punched her, and then proceeded to just leave his arm inside her torso, it isn't like his arm is going to be teleported away and stuck into someone else, it'll stay stuck in her until he removes it. Even while the damage said act is inflicting is being tossed onto others.
And that's the issue, the flesh bud is a physical tangible thing, it's not different than sticking a knife in her and leaving it there, it stays where it's placed, she'd have to want to remove it even if the damage is being healed off, it'd be just a continuous feedback loop, but if she's effected by it in the first place such a thought would never even cross her mind and wouldn't ever attempt to remove it to begin with.
If you want to argue for Makima, this ain't it chief, if Dio ever actually gets to the point he plants a flesh bud, that's a honest win condition on his end.
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Would that contract even work if Makima views DIO as a master, essentially not a threat after the buds gets transplanted in TS and the effects kick in instantly? Like would it even act even if Makima no longer views dio as a enemy or whatever, or a hostile opponent? How fast is her contract as well, and does it respond/act literally instantly?
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Then I guessed Makima just has a bunch of bullets inside of her then from all the time she healed from them
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Where is this said to be the case? Can you show where in the wiki please? Just asking as I don't really know much.
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Contract works fine, it's not on her end but Dio's end, he needs to be attacking, she doesn't need to perceive him as a enemy. Think of it like WoU or Love Train.
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Yes probably, that or they just passed through her like bullets tend to do and she just healed after the fact.
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Oh okay. Makes sense.
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ok.
so, that still makes me wonder as to what 4km of distance would even do anything, when dio can just use TS, and spam it in quick succession to easily reach her. He ain't that slow after all, especially if High DIO is used. Lowkey might just need only one time stop to reach her in high dio key and then gg her
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And you're sure that's not just on Power's end, because I'm pretty sure that's on Power's end lad. It's blood in the shape of weapons, not actual physical permanent weapons, Power's shit doesn't stay formed forever
Find a better example that is blatantly on her end and not on the attacker's.
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I mean does all this matter? Makima passively just tells Dio to bend over and suck his own dick. He's not going to just brain bud her as an opening move and any attack on her triggers her contract so she just comes back and mind haxes.
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I don't want to be that dude but...
Yeah he would? It's unironically more in character for him to do that than to even use his own Stand. Using flesh buds, recruiting people, making others into his slaves, he does it every chance he gets, by the time Part 4 rolled around, it's revealed he had hundreds of people planted.
He basically does it to literally like half the people he interacts with, Dio wants people under him, he's not going to just kill when he could instead have a new slave.
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Thought based time stop he can spam while being like 70,000,000x faster lad, OP unequalized speed for some dumb reason.
Why, I do not know, but Dio is 70,000,000x faster than Makima in this fight right now if my math is correct (As in even that physical act is magnitudes above her thought process).
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Makima is never going to be able to do a thing against Dio, she's unironically to slow.
She thinks or tries to command him or makes any unknown or suspicious movement? Dio's already blitzed her, probably planted buds in her, and if he didn't lead with buds, even though it's in character to do so when he doesn't have a vendetta, it just means he beat the shit out of her in time stop, noticed her healing and thus brute force won't cut it, and before she got a chance to even think about retaliating back decideed to go with something else like planting a bud in her because he's millions of times faster and is going to be able to act before she can do anything and he's smart enough to know fighting an immortal by punching them is dumb so may as well just get a new slave (Some of the people Dio interacted with didn't even know they got budded like Nijimura tbh).
Even at SBA distance, 4km is actually bad for her while speed equal (Unequal it's bad for him tho), High Dio has shown the ability to cover hundreds, if not kilometers in the span of a single time stop based on him covering the El Qasr Nil Bridge twice over (nearly 2km in length) in under 7 seconds of time stop, which just means he's snowballing before she even realizes what's happening as every time stop at his peak grows with each use by a little bit.
Her wincondition is more viable in a situation where the person she's fighting and her leading with it is very good, but from his perspective, a single word out of her mouth is like a month to him in a fightactually 28 months. I'm convinced speed equal she's very, very, likely to win, but lad, this is like if you tried to fight The Flash, you might be able to beat him with a gun or something if you get your winconditions off, but you won't.
She thinks or tries to command him or makes any unknown or suspicious movement? Dio's already blitzed her, probably planted buds in her, and if he didn't lead with buds, even though it's in character to do so when he doesn't have a vendetta, it just means he beat the shit out of her in time stop, noticed her healing and thus brute force won't cut it, and before she got a chance to even think about retaliating back decideed to go with something else like planting a bud in her because he's millions of times faster and is going to be able to act before she can do anything and he's smart enough to know fighting an immortal by punching them is dumb so may as well just get a new slave (Some of the people Dio interacted with didn't even know they got budded like Nijimura tbh).
Even at SBA distance, 4km is actually bad for her while speed equal (Unequal it's bad for him tho), High Dio has shown the ability to cover hundreds, if not kilometers in the span of a single time stop based on him covering the El Qasr Nil Bridge twice over (nearly 2km in length) in under 7 seconds of time stop, which just means he's snowballing before she even realizes what's happening as every time stop at his peak grows with each use by a little bit.
Her wincondition is more viable in a situation where the person she's fighting and her leading with it is very good, but from his perspective, a single word out of her mouth is like a month to him in a fight
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Also stop simping for Makima, her ass isn't even that fat
Go back to the racist goblin, she's better.
Go back to the racist goblin, she's better.
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I am insulted by both this and you're shitty argument, I am a proud Power simp thank you very much.
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Reported for hurting my feelings
Also the avi speaks otherwise, you wouldn't catch me dead with a Makima pic smh
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please touch the concept of grass to curb your simping for the bitch. (she sucks lololol)
azontr
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Your life is NOTHING! You serve ZERO purpose! You should kill yourself NOW!
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azontr
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Die painfully.Your*
nice edit
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Ditch the Makima avatar, you don't need her, gain the self-respect you deserve and grow past it, return to Power
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tldr of the match: DIO solos. gg (also how does that "you'll kneel for me" shit that makima work? Can supernatural will resist it? Does having a strong mental mind/will allow you to resist or is it just some mind hax similar to what dio's flesh buds are.)
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