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Dio brando vs tomoe

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StekFence said:
Either Jotaro can move in time stop and the color doesn’t show it
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That would imply inconsistency on the animators part which I'm not sure you can make as a valid argument plus it gets quickly disproven given that the theme remains consistent throughout the remainder of the fight when Jotaro moves in time stop
StekFence said:
, or a magnet can when nothing else can.
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That would imply that Time Stop couldn't stop the effect of the passive magnetic field of the magnet which would only further prove my point of DIO being unable to stop passive effects (especially when there is no definitive proof to say he can)
 
StekFence said:
That’s the problem. He doesn’t know what will happen if his stand punches hamon. Considering the way stand intangibility works, it prob won’t. But if he bets wrong, he just ******* disintegrates. He’s not willing to take any chances on dangerous foes.
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That alone still shows DIO knows he cant stop passive effects because if he could why would he be afraid of it affecting him then unless he knows he didn't actually stop it?

Honestly its a contention topic with a lot of ifs and buts however as of now nothing definitive shows he can stop passive effects so lets not assume he can by applying real world time stop logic which itself is heavily contested to this day
 
StekFence said:
Ok so, then you argue that passives can move through part 3 dios time stop? I’d just like to clarify it
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No
What I really want to know is why your saying DIO stopping Time would stop the effects of Tomoe's Aura?

It's the equivalent of saying that if I breathe in poison gas while I'm in time stop I won't be poisoned by it
 
Ss3micah said:
No
What I really want to know is why your saying DIO stopping Time would stop the effects of Tomoe's Aura?

It's the equivalent of saying that if I breathe in poison gas while I'm in time stop I won't be poisoned by it
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U can’t breathe it in if it’s not moving. That’s the whole point.
 
StekFence said:
U can’t breathe it in if it’s not moving. That’s the whole point.
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And my point is what if YOU purposefully breathe it in?
Are you telling me that in time stop, if im inhaling air then because time is stop the air wont move up and enter my nostrils to enter my lungs?
If that was the case people would die during time stop then
 
idk. Also, this dios time stop is layered(Reason is because Kars can’t see Dio move in time stop, despite having Tw Ultimate) I’m pretty sure, so it should stop things that can move in timestop anyway
 
StekFence said:
idk. Also, this dios time stop is layered(Reason is because Kars can’t see Dio move in time stop, despite having Tw Ultimate) I’m pretty sure, so it should stop things that can move in timestop anyway
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Additional Layers mean Higher Potency
That doesn't equal we assume that it can do things it hasn't shown it can do based on unaccountable possibilities
In this specific case, he don't assume DIO's time stop can halt passive effects without a clearer indicator that is the case
 
This thread needs to be concluded now
DIO has no feats of Time Stopping passive effects and applying real-world logic that's heavily debatable to the situation is not an efficient way to prove he can

Ergo, He can't and he gets Stomped by Tomoe

If there are any legit arguments, I'd love to hear them
 
Even using real-world logic the heat comparison doesn't work because heat = the transfer of energy. So, heat requires movement in order for it to be felt or affect something.

A magical passive aura that stretches for kilometers isn't the transfer of energy, it just innately affects anything it touches in negative ways.
 
Petrification and transmutation are useless, what's the extent of the RW?
 
Dio didn't always haved beyond in the novel btw
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Uh, what, yes he did? The only time he didn't have Beyond was in a flashback for the end of Part 1 (so a baseline H8 Dio, not the Dio in this fight), at all times, at every single point where Dio is an ultimate and even before that, he had Beyond. He has him at every point we see him in present tense, untill he loses him in the literal second to last page of the novel. Dio's whole game plan relied on Beyond and actively abused him, unless we just wanna use Part 1 Dio, or Dio after he loses and jacks Diego's body in the last five seconds of the novel, he had Beyond.
 
FarerPurple said:
So, what exactly can Tomoe do from Dio believing in a god, and having his fate + plot manip kick in?
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He would have to be doing this faster than a passive as soon as the match starts
And also what the heck does Plot BS done in canon?
Chariot190 said:
Which does what exactly?
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All Speedster said plus Curse Hax, Soul Hax, Paralysis and Death Hax
Chariot190 said:
Petrification and transmutation are useless, what's the extent of the RW?
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Not seeing resistance to it though
Chariot190 said:
If I said Dio is an Ultimate physically and biologically would that get the point across?
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She can also Dimension BFR to a place he cant escape or Turn him into an Illusion or just simply copy whatever he can do with Memory Reading
 
Ss3micah said:
Not seeing resistance to it though
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Adaption and Body Control, hell as an ultimate lifeform, he probably wouldn't even need to do that, they can move and act as stone and metals.
Ss3micah said:
She can also Dimension BFR to a place he cant escape or Turn him into an Illusion or just simply copy whatever he can do with Memory Reading
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Doesn't that need visual contact? Why would Dio ever get sighted when he knows everything she can do?
Mind Reading and trying to copy might be a huge mistake due to how Ultimate Stands work, if you try and copy an Ultimate Stand or try to get two or more Stands and you're NOT Kars (This is made blatantly explicit, even if you're identical to Kars and have his powers still, Dio wasn't an exception), you die and explode into itty bitty bloody chunks of sinew and gore and stay like that, your body trying to accommodate multiple Stands, even if you can regenerate, your body doesn't know how to deal with it so it stays apart. Kars actually did this against Dio himself to blow him to pieces and Dio couldn't regenerate from it due to the mechanics of the Stands even though this Dio can come back from shit like vapor so fast and so easily that he can reform and throw a punch in the time it took someone else who vaped him with a punch to finishing pulling back his hand. Dio did cheat the system a bit and has two Stands, but that's because he's technically two different people, The World is his, the passion is Jonathan's. Also I'm not so sure that would work, almost all of Dio's powers, except The World, aren't his own, they're Jonathan's and it was even pointed out when he lost that body that Jonathan's body is what he made Ultimate, he's just puppeting his body, Jonathan's mind and conscious are in a jar in like 1920 37 universes ago so have fun mind reading that.

That's ignoring Beyond lol nopes any real attempt at BFR, whether it's through time, dimensions or space, it can teleport or time travel the user, it can even spawn Deus Ex Machina's to do it for them. And depending at what point in the story we wanna use for this Dio, he has time travel, albeit only for a short while.
 
Chariot190 said:
Adaption and Body Control, hell as an ultimate lifeform, he probably wouldn't even need to do that, they can move and act as stone and metals.
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Does note counter cursr nor death though
Plus she also has fear hax which DIO also doesnt resist
Chariot190 said:
Doesn't that need visual contact? Why would Dio ever get sighted when he knows everything she can do?
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Its passive via Aura which covers KMs so DIO is already in t as the match starts unless his precognition is faster than a passive
Chariot190 said:
Mind Reading and trying to copy might be a huge mistake due to how Ultimate Stands work
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She does not need t copy the stand lolol. Just its abilities
Chariot190 said:
, if you try and copy an Ultimate Stand or try to get two or more Stands and you're NOT Kars (This is made blatantly explicit, even if you're identical to Kars and have his powers still, Dio wasn't an exception), you die and explode into itty bitty bloody chunks of sinew and gore and stay like that, your body trying to accommodate multiple Stands, even if you can regenerate, your body doesn't know how to deal with it so it stays apart. Kars actually did this against Dio himself to blow him to pieces and Dio couldn't regenerate from it due to the mechanics of the Stands even though this Dio can come back from shit like vapor so fast and so easily that he can reform and throw a punch in the time it took someone else who vaped him with a punch to finishing pulling back his hand. Dio did cheat the system a bit and has two Stands, but that's because he's technically two different people, The World is his, the passion is Jonathan's. Also I'm not so sure that would work, almost all of Dio's powers, except The World, aren't his own, they're Jonathan's and it was even pointed out when he lost that body that Jonathan's body is what he made Ultimate, he's just puppeting his body, Jonathan's mind and conscious are in a jar in like 1920 37 universes ago so have fun mind reading that.
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Okay lol then just Mind Wipe DIO or Turn him into an illusion
Also she has resurrection so GG
Chariot190 said:
That's ignoring Beyond lol nopes any real attempt at BFR, whether it's through time, dimensions or space, it can teleport or time travel the user, it can even spawn Deus Ex Machina's to do it for them. And depending at what point in the story we wanna use for this Dio, he has time travel, albeit only for a short while.
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Mist world negates Teleportion and any other means of escape plus Law Hax in mist world can limit what DIO can do. She would just restrict his ability to use stands
 
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