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Digimon Downgrades

Dragonmasterxyz

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So this is something that needs to be fixed right now. Currently, we have the "3x" rule for Digimon inherited skills. Without the limit and regulations, we would have every Digimon with countless abilities due to them canonically having multiple pre-evos and evolutions. And restricting it only to those shown in the show is equally incorrect as it blatantly ignores the other canon from the games and card games. However, the issue is there comes some problem with certain abilities.

Clockmon's Chrono Breaker
So we all know Clockmon has a blatant feat of time stopping Immeasurable beings. However, I am not truly comfortable with assuming EVERYONE who inherits Clockmon's Chrono Breaker should have this potency. Only those of the Clockmon species and Top Tiers at most should have this potency. For everyone else, they should simply have Time Stop and Time Erasure.

Dark Area Existent Evos
Another thing that needs changing is the resistances gained from evolving from a Dark Area native. Digimon who do this should NOT have a "possibly Infinite" rating on their speed nor have a "Resistance to Existence Erasure" on their file as these things come with Dark Area Digimon Physiology. Something that existent evos lose upon digivolution.

Angel Digimon Evos
The same applies here. Angel Digimon consistently keep pace and combat DA natives as part of their job and as such they have the Infinite speed rating. However, non-Angel evolutions should not have this speed as at this point, said angel is simply a Digimon who they inherit skills from.

Cyber Sleuth, Hacker's Memory and Linkz
So this is something I cannot decide alone, and that is how to handle these 3 games and their evolutions. The issue here is that, all their evolutions for the the Digimon present are all copy and pasted, yet they still count as 3 separate games. So the issue is whether we count them altogether as "1 canon appearance", or count all of them as 3 separate appearances. I want to know our thoughts on this one.

Rules on Inherited Skills
To restate the rules for inherited skills:

  • For Digimon who have appeared multiple times, for them to inherit skills from a pre evo that pre-evo must have appeared in their evolution line at least 3x. This is in order to prevent the usage of every single evolution under the sun despite them all being canon. This would just create a mess.
  • A Digimon's first pre-evo(s) from their reveal will always be counted as canon as even before new evolutions appeared, these were the only canon evolution methods for these Digimon. Ex, DemiMeramon to Vorvomon.
  • If this pre-evolution is the ONLY pre-evolution a Digimon has, it will be counted. This is self-explanatory.
  • Outlandish and completely inconsistent/nonsensical evolutions will not be counted. For example, Lucemon Falldown Mode -> Daemon or ZeedMillenniummon -> Barbamon. This eliminates potential contradictions like Angemon and Devimon obtaining all the power of Kid Lucemon, including the powers from their future evolutions.
That's all for now.

EDIT: New additions

Dorugamon Downgrade
These guys are 4-B via scaling to Ultimate Digimon due to being called a "heavyweight". This doesn't mean that he's on the level of Ultimate Digimon, but moreso that he's likely at the peak of Champion level Digimon power. As such he and those who scale are to be downgraded to "At least 6-B".

Super Appmon Downgrade
So currently Super Appmon are 6-C via this calc. However, I do not believe CAPE was ever factored in with this calc. As such this calc needs to be edited to fit within our new standards and thus will likely lead to downgrades.
 
As for the Cyber Sleuth and Hackers Memory thing.

Since those two games are a single storyline set in the same world, I think they should both count as one canon appearance. I think the same would go for the Ryo Akiyama series, since they're all one continuous storyline, thus count as one.

Linkz should count as another, as it's another universe.

I agree with the rest.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
What a way to start off a new year....with a downgrade...
Dat not what Kirito sed when he saw Thanos snap away 100% of all dinosaurs UMU

Anyway, the proposals look good.
 
whelp, it was a matter of time before a thread for Digimon downgrades would come. Not surprising since a similar thread with Pokemon a few months ago
 
Dorumon downgrade sounds fair. Heavyweight just means he's big for his class, nothing more.

As for the CAPE thing. Storm looked like it was in low severity, so I'll just use 1 KJ (1,000 J)

1,659,010,675,590 * 1000 = 1.6590107e+15 J

396 Kilotons
.
 
I dunno, judging by the screenshots only. Could be higher if the storm was more intense, so I'm gonna wait for Executor to chime in.
 
So, Megidramon X has gotten a reference book update, and boy do we have some things to go over.

The greatest sin of the X-Antibody, which is drawing out the latent abilities of a Digicore, raising a Digimon's potential, had affected Megidramon's Digicore. Without leaving any good behind, this Digimon, which is the epitome of evil, is unlike any other so far. Its very existence destroys and burns all of the Digital World to cinders, and its figure is definitey said to be the "incarnation of hell". If you give up on living, then you will be able to catch a glimpse of Megidramon's true form. Its "Hell Howling" and "Megiddo Flame" possess unfathomable amounts of evil energy, and are said to have reached levels that are no longer worthy of the power of a single Digimon alone.
 
Darkanine said:
Dorumon downgrade sounds fair. Heavyweight just means he's big for his class, nothing more.

As for the CAPE thing. Storm looked like it was in low severity, so I'll just use 1 KJ (1,000 J)

1,659,010,675,590 * 1000 = 1.6590107e+15 J

396 Kilotons
.
It's need a complet fix. The height now is of 8 km while the radius is of 20 km

8 * pi * 20┬▓ = 10053.0964915 km┬│ = 1.00530965e+13 m┬│

mas = 1.003 * 1.00530965e+13 = 1.0083256e+13 kg

1000 * 1.0083256e+13 = 1.0083256e+16, Small City.
 
Not really, Ultimate levels and above are fine as of now. All I need to do is revise the abilities listed above.
 
Bump.

We can edit the Appmon.

@Ex

Just make sure to edit the calc blog whenever you are able.

@Everyone

I assume everything is fine?
 
the thing about CS, HM and Links is that, I'm pretty sure ReArise and Encounters copy pastes the evolutions as well, they've been really lazy about CPing evolution lines since Cyber Sleuth due to copy pasting the base roster into everything except next order. wikimon doesnt have any evolutions sourced for these tho (they've been really lazy since cyber sleuth as well lmao, and only even half the next order ones have been sourced and they count next order twice for sources, counting the vita and ps4 versions as different games)

so yes, it's very likely the cyber sleuth evoltions have been used five times.
 
I can't really blame them...writing the digivolution trees for nearly 300 Digimon must be a pretty tedious task to do once, and theirs no real merit in making new trees every time, other than factoring in new Digimon.
 
yeah. its pretty easy to just CP them as well and boast about having over 250 digimon. like, encounters when it was announced went "this game has more than 250 digimon!!!!" and I'm like yeah, cuz youve copy pasted the existing models from links which were CPed from cyber sleuth lol


so yeah, I'd say all the evolutions from CS are here to stay and may as well all count as canon from here on out. they arent gonna be changed with all the model copy pasting.


it does make me feel bad for the hackers memory additions though, theyre not getting CPed with the rest of the 250 :(


wikimon need to get sourcing the rearise, half of next order, hackers memory, and enouncters evoltutuions tho, theyve been really lazy since CS as I said... although all it would do is just add more links to the ones currently sourced for CS. maybe thats why theyve not bothered
 
lol


I just prefer bolded evolutions, since theyre wats happened in storyline in either anime, games or manga (and profiles such as the DRB).


although wikimon are more strict on that, eg they dont count rizegreymon -> shinegreymon because the agumon is season 5 warps from agumon to shinegyremon, and doesnt digivolve from rizegreymon to shinegreymon, so they say that doesnt count.


its similar for the story partners. eg, the teams you have for keisuke are treated as non canon on wikimon because "we dont see them go ____ digivolve to ____" (the champion forms count tho, cuz manga). so if you go this route the dub wiki is better to use for that because wikimon are asses about it. it HAS to be seen as a "____ dgiviove to ____!" to count on wikimon. eg, they even say that sayo's evoutions arent canon, meaning lilamon - lotusmon for example, cuz "what if she just replaced her lilamon?" it's stupid. if you wanna go that route, use the dub wiki side bar. so as far as wikimon go, they count it as though sayo's lunamon, lekismon, crescemon and dianamon are different characters, not the same lol


as for sourced evos, I think at some point ill go in and update hackers, next order and etc, cuz their outdatedness annoys me. in fact, they dont even have world championship sourced, cuz at one point I added cyberdramon -> imperialdramon from championship cuz it wasnt on there... so wikimon cant be trusted on this IMO, it's too out of date/missing info
 
Wikimon is just fine tbh. They may miss a few things, but nothing we can't work with as they still do what we need done. All we need is evolutions being sourced and Databook Entries + Other Digimon Arts. Nothing more. There is nothing there that we cannot work around. I think you are overreacting a ton here.

Either way, I will deal with Inherited Skills later down the line. Although I am not a fan of giving every Cyber Sleuth Digimon all these abilities, they do fit within the guidelines and are in fact still canon to the series. I will make a blog discussing the Nature of Digimon Profiles in the future. But just know that they aren't a priority as I don't have the time currently to go through every Cyber Sleuth Digimon.
 
what I find funny is numemon and sukamon, dudes gets so many attacks based on this

since digimon world, redigitize, and next order all follow the same system, that's three sources for pretty much every rookie in existence for numemon/sukamon

but even dicounting that, cyber sleuth and friends also have some rookies in there as well (such as Agumon to Sukamon, meaning thats sourced like 10 times lol)

so yeah now I wanna see poop profiles

and uh, monzaemon is canon numemon, and lilthimon is canon monzaemon (from redigitize), so lillthmon will have quite the moveset
 
Well we all know that the shit demons are the most powerful Digimon in the franchise. I makes sense for them to be so damn versatile. ovo
 
something I forgot lol, but sukamon actually comes from pretty much every champion, ultimate and mega too (because digimon pooping in wolrd games) and platsuka is added in next order as one of the poop evolution chances alongside sukamon


so sukamon is bascially shoutmon x7F
 
Honestly, knowing Digimon, it's kind of hard to tell from the shit post and the legitimate post. This is the same series where people can make storms that rain poop...which may actually be worth calcing now that I think about it.
 
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