Dies Irae Revisions

[VoidGoji]

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Laughter "tearing apart the night" is an expression used to say something very suddenly interrupted. It's not literally saying Wolfy is destroying Wilhelm's Briah by laughing. It starts collapsing because Wilhelm has just been impaled by a cross through the back, while being a vampire.

 

[ALRF]

Ok, it isn't breaking through space but ripping the fabrice of space

 

[ZERO7772]

Shut up ALRF go back to your tests already

Monrach let go on with the nerf ~

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

>tsundere zero

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

I'm pretty certain that "tearing through the fabric of space" in that context means that the hand suddenly appeared in our world, not that it can cut through space to ignore durability.

Anyway, so let's see

Reinhard Base Weakness - no

Reinhard Hadou weakness - yes to harming himself, unsure on the "can only use full power against Mercurius'

Trifa stuff - yes

Briah weakness - yes

Gladshiemr soul resurrection - most people seem to agree I think?

LDO Immortality - agreed, remove immortality from them (except Reinhard and 3 commanders)

Type 8 immortality - ALRF seems to have swayed people, so no I guess

Spear stuff - I'm still fighting for this.

Spatial stuff - Matt thinks it's legit, I think it's not, Schro obviously wants it, dunno about anyone else.

 

[ZERO7772]

I couldn't care less about Type 8 immortality for Beast TBH

 

[Promestein]

I'm against the Type 8 stuff. As in against it staying.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@ZERO "couldn't care less" - meaning neutral? Or against?

@Prom, ok

 

[ZERO7772]

The Type 8 immortality clearly something was recon in KKK and only in KKK, DI shows no evidence of this and actually aposotis always die before their hosts and they sure as hell never came back becaue of muh Aposotis status

Whatever you want to give Masada excuses and add it or just scrap the whole thing is up to debate

I am neutral to this but if I have to take side I am against it

 

[ALRF]

Also IIRC Reinhard immortality is mentioned in KKK

Once i get my laptop i will search for it

 

[EvilMegaCookie]

Type 8 isn't really relevant in the debates anyway so there isn't much point to it. At best you can say that you cannot erase him from existence or something since he will always come back. It is just not at a fast enough time for it to matter.

 

[ZERO7772]

Bump this shit

 

[ALRF]

To go on the Type 8:

In KKK, during the Hadou vs Hajun fight scene, there is a quote that goes about how Reinhard cannot revive right after the death of Mercurius.

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Now for the other stuff?

Will get on it later

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

bumping.

Should I highlight this again?

 

[ALRF]

I don't believe so, there isn't many who can say something considering there isn't much supportersfor DI

But if you believe so, then you can go ahead

Going to bed thougj so won't reply for now

 

[ZERO7772]

This thread is still going

I was annoyed when my CRT lasted nearly a week lol, anyway like ALRF said there isn't much point in highlighting this thread again because all DI supporters follow this already

 

[ZERO7772]

Anyway since I don't think you will get more input it's better to just apply the conclusion we reached here

 

[Antvasima]

So what are the conclusions here? If you want more input for such a long thread, it is usually better to create a continuation with a summary of the discussion so far in the beginning instead.

 

[ALRF]

>I'm pretty certain that "tearing through the fabric of space" in that context means that the hand suddenly appeared in our world, not that it can cut through space to ignore durability

Well yeah, that's what i was talking about, i wasn't asking for the ability "to cut through space to ignore durability" but the ability "to pop anywhere by ignoring space".

 

[ALRF]

>So what are the conclusions here?

There is still a lot of disagreement in some places like Reinhard weapon and its ability.

So the CRT hasn't finished.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Anyway, so let's see. From what I can tell, this is the current standpoint on things. If you're not there and you should be, or you were actually doing to opposite, tell me please.

Reinhard Base Weakness - Yes (ZERO, Redgrave), No (ALRF). EMG was on the fence I think

Reinhard Hadou weakness -

• Selfharming: Yes (me), No (ZERO, EMC), Unsure/Neutral: (ALRF)

• Full power on Merc only: Yes (), No (ZERO, Redgrave, ALRF, me) - No changes.

Trifa Additions - Yes (ZERO, Redgrave, ALRF, me) - Add it

Briah weakness - Yes (ZERO, Redgrave, ALRF, me) - Add it

Gladshiemr soul resurrection amped by Merc - Yes (me), No (ALRF), "Reinhard wasn't at full power": (Redgrave, EMC)

LDO Immortality Removal - Yes (ALRF, ZERO, me), No ()

Type 8 immortality removal - Yes (Promestein, ZERO, me), No (ALRF)

Spear Removal of distance ignoring - I'm still fighting for this, but Yes (me, ZERO[?]), No (ALRF, Schroeder[?])

Machina/Wolfgang Spatial Manip - Yes (SchoKatz, ALRF, Schroeder), No (me, ZERO)

 

[ALRF]

Also I have to agree with Alfredo~

Matthew also agrees with me.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

>I'm pretty certain that "tearing through the fabric of space" in that context means that the hand suddenly appeared in our world, not that it can cut through space to ignore durability Well yeah, that's what i was talking about, i wasn't asking for the ability "to cut through space to ignore durability" but the ability "to pop anywhere by ignoring space".

I suppose they could be given Teleportation. But from what I read in the VN, it seems solely limited to when leaving and returning to Gladshiemr, and also only within the Swastika/the city. They never use it offensively in combat to break through space and appear behind their enemy or something, or even like a launching pad.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Also I have to agree with Alfredo~

Matthew also agrees with me.

With what in particular though?

 

[ALRF]

@Monarch

No, i was talking about Gladsheimr itself ignoring space to pop out anywhere, like it did in Rea Route in Kei vs Wilhelm fight

As for Matthew, i believe it was for my big post, but eh let's wait for him to confirm.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Gladshiemr isn't "ignoring space" though. The VN says it is breaking through it, sure, but VN narrations are notoriously hyperbolic. Let's not extrapolate these big hyperbolic statements to something that is just as easily listed as Interversal Teleportation.

 

[ALRF]

Teleportation is fine by me.

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Doesn't Gladshiemr/Reinhard already have that listed though?

Or are you wanting this for the 3 Commanders? In which case it should be noted that they can only do it within the city (remember that Shirou wanted to kill Rea and leave the city because that would leave the ritual unfinished and trap the LDO in the city)

 

[ALRF]

Oh...i didn't see that... but it should preferably noted that Gladsheimr (and by extension Reinhard) can do that

Nah i don't want it for 3 Commanders since i don't think its true.

 

[ZERO7772]

I don't agree with the Spatial Manip, also one thing :

This CRT was made to fix the point brought by the OP, no need to spam it with abilities addition and other stuff we need to deal with the issue at hand for now IMO

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

@ZERO edited.

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Monarch you forgot i'm also against type 8 removal too and machina/wolfie spatial idek

 

[VoidGoji]

I'm against Type 8 removal too.

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Also I have to agree with Alfredo~

Matthew also agrees with me.

With what in particular though?

Everything ovo

 

[ALRF]

So i looked at Dies Irae again:

• Ren pretty much tells us why they dodged the Lance in Kei Route

• As for this one?, Reasoning already explained why LLT didn't do shit (Lmao not even Rea was hurt)

This also naturally affects his ability to resurrects the souls, and that scan of him "asking" Mercurius to resurrect Machina and Eleonore? No he wasn't even asking him as he didn't even care for them to come back or anything.

Edit: i'm gonna search for more later :V

 

[Monarch_Laciel]

Look, I get that Reinhard not being at full power means that it doesn't have the properties of never-missing, always one-hitting.

But ignoring distance in never brought up, even as a hypothetical thing that could be if the lance was at full power. It just isn't something that exists in DI, and I'm against reverse scaling it back from KKK

 

[Trexalfa29]

Look, I get that Reinhard not being at full power means that it doesn't have the properties of never-missing, always one-hitting.
But ignoring distance in never brought up, even as a hypothetical thing that could be if the lance was at full power. It just isn't something that exists in DI, and I'm against reverse scaling it back from KKK

Except your reasons for not using KKK as a point of reference don't make any damned sense. We saw the Lance skipping distance and ganking the Tenma in KKK, by a weaker user of it (Rindou).

 

[ALRF]

@Monarch

If you says so, explain to me two things :

• How did Valeria kill Schreiber. Mind you this is Valeria who is quite pathetic in terms of physical attack stats (Not shit, but in comparison to the other LDO sans the obvious one, it's kinda horrible).

• Why is there a CG of Longinus appearing