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Devil May Cry Discussion Thread

Phsccarvalho said:
Is that thing about DW containing the human world and being infinite before it still valid?

I've seen some verses get 2-A because a space contains a Low 2-C structure and is infinite.

You could try the same.
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This wouldn't qualify. A space containing a Low 2-C structure and is infinite in size could just be Low 2-C itself (say the Low 2-C structure it contains is finite in size, for instance)

2-A is containing an infinite number of Low 2-C structures
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Is that thing about DW containing the human world and being infinite before it still valid?

I've seen some verses get 2-A because a space contains a Low 2-C structure and is infinite.

You could try the same.
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DMC should easily get 2A with the discussion we had on the CRT and it will be applied soon.

But that is wrong because the structure is supposed to be L1C instead knowing the standards.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
DMC should easily get 2A with the discussion we had on the CRT and it will be applied soon.
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I think it would be better to make that thread as a new thread with formatted justifications. Don't include anything about tier 1, because that just makes a huge mess.
SuperSonicTL said:
But that is wrong because the structure is supposed to be L1C instead knowing the standards.
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Start with 2-A, and if the thread brings about discussion of Low 1-C being more valid, then switch to that. Otherwise just start with 2-A then try Low 1-C later. Keep in mind that repeated attempts at the same upgrade will result in it being a banned thread.
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
I think it would be better to make that thread as a new thread with formatted justifications. Don't include anything about tier 1, because that just makes a huge mess.

Start with 2-A, and if the thread brings about discussion of Low 1-C being more valid, then switch to that. Otherwise just start with 2-A then try Low 1-C later. Keep in mind that repeated attempts at the same upgrade will result in it being a banned thread.
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Since now i understood how the wiki evaluation system works and the tiering system in general, I'll bring more positive cases here with quotes from FAQ to support my claim.

As to what exactly i wanna prove there back then but can't due to my limitations in knowledge on that matter specifically.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
Since now i understood how the wiki evaluation system works and the tiering system in general, I'll bring more positive cases here with quotes from FAQ to support my claim.

As to what exactly i wanna prove there back then but can't due to my limitations in knowledge on that matter specifically.
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Best not to work alone either. Get input from other supporters.

Edit: I was just reading another revision thread and Clover said:
Being infinite in size and containing a Low 2-C structure doesn't mean anything unless it's infinite in relation to the structure. Then, one could argue that such a structure would be 2-A, because then it could arguably hold an infinite number of such structures.
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It seems there is a case for the Demon World satisfying this requirement. It is repeatedly stated to be infinite in size, and it is referred to as infinite in relation to the human world which is a Low 2-C structure, a structure it also used to contain. I've noticed that the thing that trips up your cosmology upgrades is the issue of qualitative superiority, which is irrelevant to 2-A. The easier the upgrade is, the harder it is to block.
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
Best not to work alone either. Get input from other supporters.
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That's the plan yeah.

Random-Helper323 said:
Edit: I was just reading another revision thread and Clover said:

It seems there is a case for the Demon World satisfying this requirement. It is repeatedly stated to be infinite in size, and it is referred to as infinite in relation to the human world which is a Low 2-C structure, a structure it also used to contain. I've noticed that the thing that trips up your cosmology upgrades is the issue of qualitative superiority, which is irrelevant to 2-A. The easier the upgrade is, the harder it is to block.
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That's the thing my friend, it isn't.

Its never compared to the L2C structure and was stated to be infinite as its own stuff... As a container.

2A perhaps would be good but ultimately that ain't my goal at all however I would still try to ask someone to apply it for now.
 
SuperSonicTL said:
That's the thing my friend, it isn't.

Its never compared to the L2C structure and was stated to be infinite as its own stuff... As a container.
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It is referred to as infinite darkness while the human world is referred to as a single ray of light. Likened to a finite ray of light in infinite darkness.
SuperSonicTL said:
2A perhaps would be good but ultimately that ain't my goal at all however I would still try to ask someone to apply it for now.
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Start with 2-A. Tier 1 is highly subjective. In fact, arguably anything above 2-C is subjective, with subjective standards.
Deagonx said:
You'd need a CRT for that. This makes it sound like you want someone to change the profiles to this right now.
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I don't think SonicTL means applying changes without a CRT.
 
Hey, there's a minor DMC revision I think should be made nice and quick.

Lucia has only some of her weapons listed. She needs her mines and bow gun listed, and the latter will add explosion manipulation. She also has three different kinds of swords.
 
OblivionCiffer2202 said:
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Random-Helper323 said:
Or they could just make a Unity Engine game about a janitor shoveling cow manure. The same quality and content, for much cheaper.
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Good idea this could be the never in a million years joke for the new game. An older Donte (2013) as a pretend janitor shoveling the manure on a skeleton that looks like Dante wearing his classic outfit (OG)
 
Huesito88 said:
Good idea this could be the never in a million years joke for the new game. An older Donte (2013) as a pretend janitor shoveling the manure on a skeleton that looks like Dante wearing his classic outfit (OG)
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Or Dante and Vergil briefly transporting to the Reboot universe, Donte starting to swear at them, and Vergil slashing him in two without even bothering to look at him. Or just Donte using money as toilet paper and then asking where it all went.
 
There's still chance for DMC, even though its small. Yusuke Hashimoto rejoined Capcom and he was one of Little Devil Team(a group who work for DMC 1) and also director of Bayonetta 2.

I guess if you really want a successor who knows DMC, him is probably a good choice, since he and Bingo did work together for Bayonetta 2.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Or Dante and Vergil briefly transporting to the Reboot universe, Donte starting to swear at them, and Vergil slashing him in two without even bothering to look at him. Or just Donte using money as toilet paper and then asking where it all went.
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Man you hate Donte quite a bit, what did he ever do to you?
 
Man kamiya and DMC don't mix anymore, someone who worked under him is not good enough
Thehunter077 said:
There's still chance for DMC, even though its small. Yusuke Hashimoto rejoined Capcom and he was one of Little Devil Team(a group who work for DMC 1) and also director of Bayonetta 2.

I guess if you really want a successor who knows DMC, him is probably a good choice, since he and Bingo did work together for Bayonetta 2.
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Huesito88 said:
Do they still have good relations with "Ninja Theory"?
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Kamiya wasn't involved with that. Capcom could bring back Ninja Theory and the reboot, and I guess they could light money on fire while they're at it. If I had to name a good "successor" to Kamiya and Itsuno, one person who comes to mind is Suda51, the one behind Killer is Dead and Lollipop Chainsaw.
 
Huesito88 said:
Did they lose money on DmC (2013)? I recall it preforming "not badly" money wise (not what they wanted aka Call of Duty numbers, but still not bad on sales)
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IIRC DmC was intended for 2M and barely did 800k or so.

They lost a ton of money there.

Now, what I was saying is that Kamiya style doesn't mix with how DMC evolved under Itsuno. Bringing him back or someone who worked with him spells failure to me.

In this case you need someone who worked under Itsuno and understand what makes DMC what it is.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
IIRC DmC was intended for 2M and barely did 800k or so.
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Sounds right, and that actually includes the re-release if I'm not mistaken. At that time DMC1 had sold 2.1 million, DMC2 had sold 1.5, DMC3 had sold 1.3, and DMC4 had sold 2.8. The reboot which was supposed to surpass DMC4 and start a big new thing was a clear failure by DMC standards. DMC5 sold far higher than any of them if I'm not mistaken.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
They lost a ton of money there.
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Maybe not lost money, but profit is a tough one. Technically you have to make back the production costs, the marketing and shipping costs, and everything else. Usually the budget they list is about half of the actual cost, meaning they have to make double the budget just to break even.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Now, what I was saying is that Kamiya style doesn't mix with how DMC evolved under Itsuno. Bringing him back or someone who worked with him spells failure to me.
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There are plenty of people who worked with Itsuno.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
In this case you need someone who worked under Itsuno and understand what makes DMC what it is.
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I actually agree Kamiya shouldn't take over.
 
Huesito88 said:
Did they lose money on DmC (2013)? I recall it preforming "not badly" money wise (not what they wanted aka Call of Duty numbers, but still not bad on sales)
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Sales at the time in 2013:

DMC1: 2.1 million

DMC2: 1.5 million

DMC3: 1.3 million

DMC4: 2.8 million

Reboot: 800K

Capcom then performed a skewed test to prove the reboot's superiority by releasing DMC4 Special and Reboot Definitive at the same time, but skewed it by releasing Reboot both physically and digitally while DMC4 was only digital. A clearly corrupted test designed to give an excuse to continue their cheap rip-off of They Live and Matrix. DMC4 still sold better.
 
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