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We classify swords under just standard melee range though
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Demon Slayer (Kimetsu no Yaiba) Discussion Thread #3
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No, fists and legs are standard melee range
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Standard Melee Range: 50 cm - 1 m
- Applies to fighters using mostly their arms and legs as weapons.
- This includes most standard melee weapons, such as daggers, swords, axes, maces, etcetera.
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Then I don't know why most characters on this wiki who use swords/axes/ 1 meters weapons overall have extended melee range
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Sword throwing, possibly
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Hmm, it looks more like everything didn't get updated when I was supposed to.
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Unless you are talking about an oversized fantasy sword, a normal functional sword IRL is standard melee range (unless sword-throwing is involved, lol).
However the sword slashes of KnY extends beyond normal sword range and do some longer-range shenanigans like in MGR HF blades, which is why it is currently at extended melee range (but it sometimes it can be even higher, which should be indicated in a future CRT).
For example, Tanjiro's water wheel extends longer than his sword. His Waterfall Basin's range allows him to slash enemies on his sides simultaneously, his Twisting Whirpool allows him to create a whirlwind/whirlpool around him (which is Air Manipulation that should be added in future CRT). Tanjiro also does a long-range sword slash with DotFG (which some thought was an outlier or bad paneling where Tanjiro is moving at very high speed)
Not only that, but the extended sword slashes are not just using the air to slice enemies, but it counts as extension of the Nichirin blade. For example, Tanjiro killed the Swamp Demon siblings with his twisting whirpool even though the metal did not touch their neck. Tengen decapitates Daki with a slash that extends tens of meters, and then he asks why she did not disintegrate and crumble yet due to being beheaded which means the long-range slash had the same effect as the Nichirin metal. Gyokko notes that Muichiro's slashes has an amazing attack range, and notes that the Nichirin is going to turn the demon fish into dust even though the metal did not touch the fish if the range extends beyond the blade.
However the sword slashes of KnY extends beyond normal sword range and do some longer-range shenanigans like in MGR HF blades, which is why it is currently at extended melee range (but it sometimes it can be even higher, which should be indicated in a future CRT).
For example, Tanjiro's water wheel extends longer than his sword. His Waterfall Basin's range allows him to slash enemies on his sides simultaneously, his Twisting Whirpool allows him to create a whirlwind/whirlpool around him (which is Air Manipulation that should be added in future CRT). Tanjiro also does a long-range sword slash with DotFG (which some thought was an outlier or bad paneling where Tanjiro is moving at very high speed)
Not only that, but the extended sword slashes are not just using the air to slice enemies, but it counts as extension of the Nichirin blade. For example, Tanjiro killed the Swamp Demon siblings with his twisting whirpool even though the metal did not touch their neck. Tengen decapitates Daki with a slash that extends tens of meters, and then he asks why she did not disintegrate and crumble yet due to being beheaded which means the long-range slash had the same effect as the Nichirin metal. Gyokko notes that Muichiro's slashes has an amazing attack range, and notes that the Nichirin is going to turn the demon fish into dust even though the metal did not touch the fish if the range extends beyond the blade.
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While I disagree about water wheel and the last one, since the panels before it make it quite clear that tanijrou sped past the pair and made that attack. On eighth form, Tanjiruou is attacking the middle demon while the other two find their limbs getting in the way of tonjirou's strike hence why they only lose arms from the attack. I will agree that the whilrwind does extend range when in water though not of the blade, the official translation makes it clear that it pulls people in while cutting make it more likely that the demons got pulled in and then cut by the blade, which also makes more logical sense.
Now for tengen's attack, the damage behind that had already been done before he attacked the demon, and once again the attack itself was a case of speed blitzing done by Tengan.
With the case of Muichoro, while it is a comment that doesn't automatically mean his range is greater then extended melee range.
Now for tengen's attack, the damage behind that had already been done before he attacked the demon, and once again the attack itself was a case of speed blitzing done by Tengan.
With the case of Muichoro, while it is a comment that doesn't automatically mean his range is greater then extended melee range.
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If there is ambiguity, we can consider them resolved with the anime, especially since the author was considered intimately involved in the adaptio.
For Tanjiro's sword to touch the ground via. water wheel, the sword needs to be longer than his height, which is why it should be considered extended.
Your explanation for the eight form implies that the demon in the middle should be dead or at least much more injured. Also, Tanjiro said that he was going to "take them all" and that he was trying to cut through the demons' vitals (head or possibly torso) which is not plausible without extended range, so they only had their arms cut through the strike being shallow due to Tanjiro suddenly switching forms.
Both the official and unofficial translation stated that Tanjiro forms a giant blade that sucks his enemies in; a giant blade implies that the whirpool is what does the cutting. (the official translation is not necessarily better; it is criticized for inconsistencies and mistakes especially in the beginning) For the unofficial we have: "The whirl-pool forms a giant and sharp blade... Destroying everything around and slicing open anything caught in its way." For the official we have: "The spin becomes a large sharp blade... Dragging in anything around it and cutting it up." And of course we have the anime adaption scene to support this.
Tengen's attack can be adequately explained by a speed blitz, so I concede on that.
For Muichiro, is either extended or several meters; surely longer than his 0.8 m sword. Muichiro jumped up in the air, and then neatly sliced thousands of fish under him before he lands on the ground; that alone implies longer than standard melee range.
For Tanjiro's sword to touch the ground via. water wheel, the sword needs to be longer than his height, which is why it should be considered extended.
Your explanation for the eight form implies that the demon in the middle should be dead or at least much more injured. Also, Tanjiro said that he was going to "take them all" and that he was trying to cut through the demons' vitals (head or possibly torso) which is not plausible without extended range, so they only had their arms cut through the strike being shallow due to Tanjiro suddenly switching forms.
Both the official and unofficial translation stated that Tanjiro forms a giant blade that sucks his enemies in; a giant blade implies that the whirpool is what does the cutting. (the official translation is not necessarily better; it is criticized for inconsistencies and mistakes especially in the beginning) For the unofficial we have: "The whirl-pool forms a giant and sharp blade... Destroying everything around and slicing open anything caught in its way." For the official we have: "The spin becomes a large sharp blade... Dragging in anything around it and cutting it up." And of course we have the anime adaption scene to support this.
Tengen's attack can be adequately explained by a speed blitz, so I concede on that.
For Muichiro, is either extended or several meters; surely longer than his 0.8 m sword. Muichiro jumped up in the air, and then neatly sliced thousands of fish under him before he lands on the ground; that alone implies longer than standard melee range.
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This might be Shockwave Generation
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It looked like lightning.
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Muzan also used his whips to suck air and create whirlwinds, and used his thighs to generate surprise whips! Never understimate the whip moonwalk!
If Muzan uses a new ability, any surviving demon slayer will be more prepared for it next time (and he gave up on killing all demon slayers in one night). So it can be explained with him preferring not to reveal too many of his abilities per encounter.
By the way, an early translation from the Korean scans was already made which I gathered below; plot-wise it makes sense more than ever for Muzan and Tanjiro to get a power-up or get healed. Also, there is a mystery of how Muzan's technique works; it managed to somehow affect the Ubuyashiki through the talisman so we might get more information about it.
If Muzan uses a new ability, any surviving demon slayer will be more prepared for it next time (and he gave up on killing all demon slayers in one night). So it can be explained with him preferring not to reveal too many of his abilities per encounter.
By the way, an early translation from the Korean scans was already made which I gathered below; plot-wise it makes sense more than ever for Muzan and Tanjiro to get a power-up or get healed. Also, there is a mystery of how Muzan's technique works; it managed to somehow affect the Ubuyashiki through the talisman so we might get more information about it.
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| Tamayo: I don't have to be stronger than you to kill you If I can make you weaker Just as you will do aanything to live I... 'We' will do anything to kill you [Muzan]: If it was like usual All this would be meaningless This level of attack, of damage, would be ineffective on me Any demon hunter was far behind that man Even that fatigue of Regenerationn would be minuscule But those four drugs have turned all those ineffective attacks Into as effective attacks as possible and drive my body into a corner [Muzan]: I never imagined that woman would make that many drugs in such a short time And it's completly different from what they used on Douma It's my first time tasting this It's taking time to analyze and decompose it [Tanjiro]: !! He stopped moving I think it's thanks to Tamayo-san's drug It's possible! We can win! It's only a little bit left until sunrise [Muzan does his Thunder Cross Split Attack] [Tanjiro]: (Gasping) What - Just - Attack - Shock - Stopped - Shockwave - Gyh - Gyh - Convulsing - Can't move - Breath - Breath is - Breathing is - Body - Body is - Can't -Can't -I can't - Muzan - Muzan - Mu - Escaping - Escape - Escape - Escape Rengoku Sr.: Master! Ubuyashiki Jr.: I'm I'm fine Don't worry Are Obanai and Tanjirou safe [Rengoku Sr.]: Muzan's attack can reach all the way here? There's no way There's no way he's discovered us here White-haired Ubuyashiki: The eyes... The position of the eyes have changed, so I can't see Until daybreak comes It's... Twenty five minutes Ubuyashiki Jr.: Just A little more... A little more Lock Muzan down Please, somebody... Someone who can fight... [Tanjiro]: Stand up I have to stand up Aaa I can't breathe Lungs... Lungs are squashed That I Where is Iguro-san Muzan is escaping...!! Inosuke: (Heavy breathing) You Hit me Pretty good. I won't forgive you [Tanjiro]: Inosuke Inosuke Danger It's dangerous [Muzan]: (Heavy breathing) I can't unleash a blood demon technique My fatigue has piled up Inosuke: (Heavy breathing) We'll cover this (Heavy breathing) Old man prayer beads' leg And half-and-half haori's arm are torn off The bodies of the comrades I ate meals together with are scattered about Give them back The hands, the feet Give back all of those lives If that isn't possible Inosuke: Then die a million times as an apology!! [Tanjiro]: Inosuke!! Aaa Inosuke!! Help, I have to help I can't, I'm dying I'm going to die first...!! Zenitsu: Inosuke, hang in there! Tanjirou is still alive, I can hear the sound of his heart (Cough) Zenitsu: Tanjirou, just think about living Listen to me, you're not dead There's no way you'll die You're going home with Nezuko-chan With a Nezuko-chan that's been returned to a human You have to return to your hometown Your family is waiting For you to return Inosuke: Keugh [Tanjiro]: A blood demon technique Muddled up my nervous system If that's the case Wouldn't nichirin Be Effective Lift Hold, lift Quickly Quickly Stab it in the gap Between blood vessels Avoid vital areas [Tanjiro]: Come On Please Stop Stop The convulsions [Muzan]: (Heavy breathing) I can't move my arm My body is like a heavy chunk of lead Zenitsu: (Heavy breathing) [Muzan]: He can still stand up Inosuke: (Heavy breathing) [Muzan]: These vermin bastards [Narrator]: Without missing a beat They gather Together They stand any number of times Until dawn breaks Until their lives' last breath |
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Inosuke and Zenitsu coming in! Also the rest of the Demon Slayers are joining the fray
The story keeps coming up with ways to prevent Tanjiro from fighting so that the other Demon Slayers have a chance to save him
Point being, Muzan and Tanjiro definitely gonna get healed and even a powerup, the stories probably gonna have them have a final 1v1 at the 5 minutes left mark or something, the other Demon Slayers will be biding time till Tanjiro gets healed
The story keeps coming up with ways to prevent Tanjiro from fighting so that the other Demon Slayers have a chance to save him
Point being, Muzan and Tanjiro definitely gonna get healed and even a powerup, the stories probably gonna have them have a final 1v1 at the 5 minutes left mark or something, the other Demon Slayers will be biding time till Tanjiro gets healed
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Such badasses Inosuke and Zenitsu. I almost cried a manly tear seeing Inosuke crying for his dead and injured comrades, you dont see that side of him all the time. Seems like its Himejima and Giyuu's turn of being the meat shield, like Tokito did before, they cant allow any pillar-level slayer with all their limbs to get taken out from combat.
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Probably comparable to Giyuu and Sanemi, he seems to be around that level. Weaker than Obanai and Himejima for sure.
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IMO stronger than Giyuu and Sanemi. He could dance with Akaza in his base
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Yeah, but base Sanemi could somewhat fight Kokushibo, who is above Akaza. Base Sanemi was even above Marked Tokitou.
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New chapter is out https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1006394
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Aaaand Zenitsu is getting upgraded I guess
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I mean, Zenitsu is 9-A rn on his profile.
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M3X said it was wrong
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Idk about that, you can always ask him
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I have a really bad feeling now... everything's going too well, Nezuko still needs to arrive and Muzan's getting overwhelmed
Could Muzan evolve and get sun resistance because one of the poisons in his body is accidentally the perfect cure for the sun...
I feel the final battle needs one more power boost for Muzan
Could Muzan evolve and get sun resistance because one of the poisons in his body is accidentally the perfect cure for the sun...
I feel the final battle needs one more power boost for Muzan
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I'm not sure how they could kill Muzan if he manages to develop sun resistance. But it is true that things have gone too smoothly, so something bad is bound to happen. I'm mostly wondering how good could the animation of this be when and if the anime does this fight.
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I just hope it ends with a perfected 13th Form Tanjiro vs Muzan, it doesn't have to and there's a solid possibility it won't, but I really want to see Tanjiro reach the level or Yoriichi
As for how the story is going to go, I have no idea, I honestly have no idea how it's all going to end
As for how the story is going to go, I have no idea, I honestly have no idea how it's all going to end
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Muzan will die with the 13th form with the scars as a reference, however everyone's game plan is to stall for the sun, so Muzan will probably become sun-immune.
Nezuko also came for the purpose of saving her brother, but she can't add anything as a normal human, so will probably get a powerup related to rejecting the medicine.
Nezuko also came for the purpose of saving her brother, but she can't add anything as a normal human, so will probably get a powerup related to rejecting the medicine.
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I wonder if more people will die, my money is on Himeyima, Giyuu and Obanai.
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It's the Akame ga Kill of next manga generation, of course more dudes will die
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Muzan gotta eat, and Wani is merciless (these are crocodile tears if I've ever seen them). Obanai had one heck of a redemption arc, but he gotta go to allow others to shine. Gyomei doesn't have long to live due to the Mark, so he is going out with a bang. Giyuu is foreveralone, so I am thinking he'll survive.
So Zenitsu says "I am too slow" after landing a hit on Muzan with Thunderclap and Flash, he then uses Godspeed. This proves that Zenitsu's speed correlates to his attack power, so he should be eligible for Kinetic Energy Feats. This would upgrade him to 8-B+, and other characters would be upgraded via. scaling.
So Zenitsu says "I am too slow" after landing a hit on Muzan with Thunderclap and Flash, he then uses Godspeed. This proves that Zenitsu's speed correlates to his attack power, so he should be eligible for Kinetic Energy Feats. This would upgrade him to 8-B+, and other characters would be upgraded via. scaling.
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This is looking like the end, I imagine one or two more chapters till Muzan dies, Tanjirou lost his arm and proves once again why he is the strongest Demon Slayer in the group right now, everyone got blown away by Muzan's attack besides him, then he got absorbed into the flesh and is now probably gonna do the 13th Form from within Muzan himself
That's just insane
That's just insane
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Does anyone have any idea of why Muzan turned into an oversized baby?
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