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DELTARUNE; Chapter 3 & 4 !!!SPOILER!!! Discussion Thread

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No, it's just you being hyper strict and literal on standards again while ignoring every possible interpretation and pretending to be spoonfed by super precise statements.

Not dealing with this again, I do not have enough patience, bye.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Looks good so far. Also, based on that 4-A rating, how has that 4-A conversation gone? I haven't been keeping up with that lengthy discussion that lasted a page.
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From what i've read (and paid attention to) it seems like it's been a touchy subject regarding everyone else, but it seems like The Titan itself seems cut and dry since it's literally a fountain.
 
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Decided to give the titan some SI based off it scaring the living shit outta Ralsei and Susie. Isn't super strong without prior knowledge of what it actually is but it's still notable about it.
 
The Zapper feat feels a bit too outlier-y for my tastes since aside from this the verse is waaaay more consistently shown as bullet timers
 
Comiphorous said:
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Chat am i missing anything feats or ability wise
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Wouldn't it have Life Manip or something due to making those fetus things

4-A makes sense but it's also weeeird because the party should likely scale to it... they manage to damage it enough that it has to put up its defenses and heal. Ig they do only actually defeat it via sealing hax, but to get there you have to weaken it. I'm neutral, just seems weird
 
I agree, 4-A is a bit weird for me too, at least for now, now I'll wait for more opinions on the subject
 
ShockingPsychic said:
Wouldn't it have Life Manip or something due to making those fetus things

4-A makes sense but it's also weeeird because the party should likely scale to it... they manage to damage it enough that it has to put up its defenses and heal. Ig they do only actually defeat it via sealing hax, but to get there you have to weaken it. I'm neutral, just seems weird
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Two ways you can treat it;

How i've done it, where it's a flat 4-A, Chapter 4 party likely scales to 4-A because of that due to being able to harm it (even if it's ultimately not that much harming being done to it)

Have the Titan be 4-A, but have it's weak spot scale to the delta heroes (9-A/8-C depending on if calcs get accepted), and make the 4-A a possibly for the delta heroes.


I personally don't see much of a problem with either, but with Gerson being able to destroy it's protection anyways, and the delta heroes being comparable to Gerson, they very easily have good sensical Titan scaling.
 
Do you think the page name should be called "Tenna" or "Mr. Ant Tenna"? I have seen other wikis use the former name more often.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Just saw that someone tried making a Tenna page only for it to get deleted for being incomplete and not really because it's only been a 5 days since the release if the new chapters. I suppose I'm fine with uploading it now?

How does everyone think of this, by the way?
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Think he's just missing Healing (Here) and probably Data Manip for how he can warp the Game World and such, like here.
And whatever power makes it so that someone gets hurt when they miss a note Ig

Although, I do feel like some abilities need a bit more elaboration,
Like Reality Warping is basically his main thing, it definitely deserves more than just one line, honestly most of his abilities should be listed as sub-powers of it.
Clothing Manip should also mention how he can also do so to others rather than just himself.
Law Manip should mention how it's based on a contract, so if he never had or loses said contract (Like what happened in canon), he can't do it.

Otherwise, it's pretty good. Here's the ogg file for Tenna's "IT'S!! TV!! TIME!!"
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Think he's just missing Healing (Here)
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I didn't know he could do that lmao. Guess even the most easy-to-miss easter eggs can be crucial at times, huh?
Eden_Warlock99 said:
probably Data Manip for how he can warp the Game World and such, like here.
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Admittedly, I wasn't sure if he was reprogramming the game off-screen manually or he did it by a supernatural ability.
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And whatever power makes it so that someone gets hurt when they miss a note Ig
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Pretty sure that would be misses in general in the minigames during the fight with him. I suppose I'll call it Pain Manipulation.

The rest seem fine, I suppose. I'll just quickly add those.
 
I think all the enemies in Chapter 3 deserve profiles.
From Chapter 4: Guei and the Water darkners (Although if it were up to me, I would include them all)

Obviously this includes all bosses and mini bosses
 
LittleGuy99 said:
I think all the enemies in Chapter 3 deserve profiles.
From Chapter 4: Guei and the Water darkners (Although if it were up to me, I would include them all)

Obviously this includes all bosses and mini bosses
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we (I’m barely ever here for deltarune but whatever) usually give profiles to all enemies. Why wouldn’t we follow that trend.
 
My intent was to adjust the tiering whenever the Titan got uploaded and new scaling was established, but yes, it will be getting 4-A via summoning.

I think...

Chapter 1 and 2 characters can stay where they are, probably?

Chapter 3 characters are probably gonna be 8-C, assuming that Lanina calc gets accepted. The Knight is fought at the end of the Chapter, and the Delta Warriors can harm it... I'll get back to that later.

Chapter 4, the Titan is 4-A due to quite literally BEING a Dark Fountain, which were established as being 4-A via creation.

I'm actually not sure if being something is a 1 to 1 conversion to scaling to that tier. I believe we've made living stars and planets be tiers below what their form is?

Assuming 4-A Titan is real, the Delta Warriors should scale, imo. They manage to damage it to a point where it has to put up it's defenses and heal up.

So, let's take Ralsei for example. I think his tier should be something like;

9-A | 9-A | 8-C, at most 4-A | 8-C, at most 4-A

Key: Chapter 1 | Chapter 2 | Chapter 3 | Chapter 4

Then scale the enemies accordingly

I'd really like to avoid scaling Chapter 1 and 2 to 4-A because... Local Solar System Level Entites Cannot Break Out of Iron Cage isn't a very good look lol

And this should go without saying, but I'm begging not to humor 4-A Light World physicals lol
 
Gooldiddy said:
4-C Dark Worlds aren't actually a new thing. they've technically been a thing since Chapter 1 (Castle Town has stars in the background)

would it be better if I went through and listed every time a starry background was visible?
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I remember that there are also stars at the entrance to the second knight's fountain in chapter 4
 
ShockingPsychic said:
My intent was to adjust the tiering whenever the Titan got uploaded and new scaling was established, but yes, it will be getting 4-A via summoning.

I think...

Chapter 1 and 2 characters can stay where they are, probably?

Chapter 3 characters are probably gonna be 8-C, assuming that Lanina calc gets accepted. The Knight is fought at the end of the Chapter, and the Delta Warriors can harm it... I'll get back to that later.

Chapter 4, the Titan is 4-A due to quite literally BEING a Dark Fountain, which were established as being 4-A via creation.

I'm actually not sure if being something is a 1 to 1 conversion to scaling to that tier. I believe we've made living stars and planets be tiers below what their form is?

Assuming 4-A Titan is real, the Delta Warriors should scale, imo. They manage to damage it to a point where it has to put up it's defenses and heal up.

So, let's take Ralsei for example. I think his tier should be something like;

9-A | 9-A | 8-C, at most 4-A | 8-C, at most 4-A

Key: Chapter 1 | Chapter 2 | Chapter 3 | Chapter 4

Then scale the enemies accordingly

I'd really like to avoid scaling Chapter 1 and 2 to 4-A because... Local Solar System Level Entites Cannot Break Out of Iron Cage isn't a very good look lol

And this should go without saying, but I'm begging not to humor 4-A Light World physicals lol
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That seems good to me
 
Gooldiddy said:
4-C Dark Worlds aren't actually a new thing. they've technically been a thing since Chapter 1 (Castle Town has stars in the background)

would it be better if I went through and listed every time a starry background was visible?
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I’d actually like to see that a lot and putting multiple on the profiles would help a lot to serve as evidence rather than just pointing out one occasion.
 
LittleGuy99 said:
I remember that there are also stars at the entrance to the second knight's fountain in chapter 4
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there are also moments in Chapter 2's Cyber City where stars are visible in the sky. plus supporting evidence of Cyber City also blatantly having a moon and some Darkeners implying Dark Worlds do have stars in specific dialogue

I feel like this could technically get a speed rating aswell but that feels weird since literally noone would have any way to scale to that I think
 
ShockingPsychic said:
Does my Knight profile look ready to post?
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That weakness shouldn't be there, the Mantle is definitely getting indexed as Limited Damage Reduction in Kris' profile.
ShockingPsychic said:
Chapter 1 and 2 characters can stay where they are, probably?
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Think the CH2 Mini-bosses have stats on par with Shadowguys, who definitely downscale from the CH3 cast (They can harm Tenna, they're Rouxls main means of attack, and the whole Mike boss fight stuff).
 
ShockingPsychic said:
Chapter 1 and 2 characters can stay where they are, probably?
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What about Jevil and Spamton, though? Both of them can withstand being used as weapons themselves by Susie (With the Devilsknife) and Ralsei (With the Puppet Scarf), and neither Jevil nor Spamton are implied to be getting any stronger throughout the chapters.
 
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