Deltarune Chapter 2 discussion!

[GodlyCharmander]

Yeah, I think you have to edit the OP

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Why wall level with knife? Knives are 9-C, though watching the scene frame by frame, he does actually crack the floor before the fountain erupts.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Wait.

Kris is stronger in Chapter 2, so we have to make a key for Chapter 1, but we also have to make a key for Light World and Dark World. How will that work?

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Here's my pitch

Tier: 10-B, 9-C with knife, possibly 4-A with Creation | 9-B, possibly 4-A via Environmental Destruction | 8-B, possibly 4-A via Environmental Destruction

Attack Potency: Human level (Is a teenager), Street level with knife (managed to crack the wooden floor of their living room in order to create a Dark Fountain), possibly Multi-Solar System level with Creation (Can create Dark Worlds, which can contain multiple stars) | Wall level (Can fight those who can harm them), possibly Multi-Solar System level with Environmental Destruction (Can seal Dark Fountains, which erases the Dark World created by them) | City Block level (Can fight those who can harm them), possibly Multi-Solar System level

Durability: Human level | Wall level (Tooks hits from Jevil, who can do this) | City Block level (Took hits from Giga Queen)

Note: Kris' Multi-Solar System level statistics are not combat applicable, as the feats are based on Creation and Environmental Destruction.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why wall level with knife? Knives are 9-C, though watching the scene frame by frame, he does actually crack the floor before the fountain erupts.

Basically what you said.

 

[Lou_change]

Why wall level with knife? Knives are 9-C, though watching the scene frame by frame, he does actually crack the floor before the fountain erupts.

When did that happen.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Here's my pitch

Tier: 10-B, 9-C with knife, possibly 4-A with Creation | 9-B | 8-B, possibly 4-A via Creation and Environmental Destruction

Attack Potency: Human level (Is a teenager), Street level with knife (managed to crack the wooden floor of their living room in order to create a Dark Fountain), possibly Multi-Solar System level with Creation (Can create Dark Worlds, which can contain multiple stars) | Wall level (Took hits from Jevil, who can do this) | City Block level (Can fight those who can harm him), possibly Multi-Solar System level with Environmental Destruction (Can seal Dark Fountains, which erases the Dark World they created)

This works, but Chapter 1 Kris can also seal Dark Fountains

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Updated it to separate chapter 1 and 2.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I'll be updating the same post rather than reposting it.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Now, about the speed, we're putting Chapter 2 characters at Hypersonic+, right?
Kris can dodge missiles, though

 

[Lou_change]

Isn't that a stabilizing feat for the dark Foundation rather than anything else.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Chapter 1 bosses haven't fought the Lv. 2 heroes, only their Level 1 selves, so I think it's safe to say they don't get upgraded. Jevil may be an exception, given how he can, in weapon form, damage the Chapter 2 bosses?

This creates circular scaling.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Isn't that a stabilizing feat for the dark Foundation rather than anything else.

No. Lancer's castle was completely erased because Kris sealed their fountain.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Here's the frame showing the crack in the floor. I think this is just 9-C rather than 9-B tbh.

 

[Lou_change]

Again stabilizing feat plus you don't scale to something for sealing it.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Here's the frame showing the crack in the floor. I think this is just 9-C rather than 9-B tbh.

Yeah, probably.
Also, this could be caused by the fountain itself.
You can also see how Kris literally didn't need his soul to perform this.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

We can only assume the soul is still on the couch and out of view. We never see him put it back in.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Again stabilizing feat plus you don't scale to something for sealing it.

He is not stabilizing anything, where are you getting this from?
The Dark Fountain ceases to exists alongside with the world it created. And again, Enviromental Destruction is not scaling to it.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

This creates circular scaling.

What is circular scaling, if I may ask?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

We can only assume the soul is still on the couch and out of view. We never see him put it back in.

We see him picking it up when he lays down again, which would be redundant if it was still inside of him.
Plus, he cannot do those things by himself when he has his SOUL, as we're the ones controlling him

 

[GodlyCharmander]

What is circular scaling, if I may ask?

Okay,

Chapter 1 Characters are 9-B by scaling to Jevil
Jevil scales to Chapter 2 Characters because he can damage them
Chapter 2 Characters are stronger than Chapter 1 Characters
But Chapter 1 Characters scales to Chapter 2 Characters because they scale to Jevil.

This is circular scaling

Ch.1 = Jevil = Ch. 2 = Ch. 1 = Jevil~ etc etc.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Yeah, he definitely did the fountain creation without a soul, then picks it back up.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

So should Jevil stay 9-B and not scale to Chapter 2 bosses, as he's just transformed into and used as a weapon?

 

[Lou_change]

He is not stabilizing anything, where are you getting this from?

Yes it is the fountain that has the stabilization feat.

 

[Lou_change]

So should Jevil stay 9-B and not scale to Chapter 2 bosses, as he's just transformed into and used as a weapon?

It could scale to his durability at least in that form you have to remember he is being swung by susie who is now 8-B

 

[ShockingPsychic]

So everyone gets 8-B? Because if his durability scales to 8-B, then Susie's AP scales, which means all of Chapter 1 scales.

... and because the devilsknife probably isn't going anywhere, every new feat can be scaled back to previous chapters.

 

[Lou_change]

No if I recall they couldn't actually really harm him especially not in devil's knife form and it seems he is immune to the whole having to stay in his own world thing.

 

[EnderLord8]

following

 

[ShockingPsychic]

No if I recall they couldn't actually really harm him especially not in devil's knife form and it seems he is immune to the whole having to stay in his own world thing.

They can definitely harm him in Chapter 1. Not only do they deal numbered damage, but he also shows signs of being tired.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So should Jevil stay 9-B and not scale to Chapter 2 bosses, as he's just transformed into and used as a weapon?

He should. Otherwise, Chapter 1 Characters will scale to Chapter 2 Characters, which is just absurd.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So everyone gets 8-B? Because if his durability scales to 8-B, then Susie's AP scales, which means all of Chapter 1 scales.

... and because the devilsknife probably isn't going anywhere, every new feat can be scaled back to previous chapters.

Yeah, let's do that and have Chapter 1 characters scaling to Chapter 7 characters, this makes sense.

EDIT: Obvious sarcasm, btw.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Yes it is the fountain that has the stabilization feat.

No. The fountains FORM the World, not stabilize them.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I'll work on the CRT for an upgrade on AP/Dura, the 4-A stuff, and new powers here soon.

What we really need to do is look over all the ACTs and see what new stuff Kris gets. Like how they can create a cage to trap mice in.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

How do you timestamp a video link?

 

[Lou_change]

They can definitely harm him in Chapter 1. Not only do they deal numbered damage, but he also shows signs of being tired.

I think the was more because his last at more than anything else even then it would just be his weapon form

 

[Lou_change]

No. The fountains FORM the World, not stabilize them.

More likely both that is why they wanted to protect it and why sealing it destroyed the world.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

How do you timestamp a video link?

That's only on PC. Right-click, then "Copy video link at this moment"

 

[GodlyCharmander]

More likely both that is why they wanted to protect it and why sealing it destroyed the world.

Bro, it's literally the source of the entire world it creates. The feat is legit 4-A, although non-combat applicable.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why doesn't Kris have Social Influencing through ACTs?

 

[Lou_change]

Bro, it's literally the source of the entire world it creates. The feat is legit 4-A, although non-combat applicable.

Yes but kris doesn't scale normally and I think we downgrade the player or anomaly whatever they are called.